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post #331 of 4288
"I'm willing to bet yes. This is almost certainly an HDMI 1.3a thing."

Wouldn't that delay the fix on the T775 as well?
post #332 of 4288
Sent NAD an email on the T785; got the vacation response. I would bet that since the T785 uses the T175, it, too is delayed
post #333 of 4288
From Nad :

re: Nad T785 Release date for UK

I do not have a definite release date, however, the T785 has also been delayed...we are anticipating the end of December.

Best regards,

NAD Electronics


Ken
post #334 of 4288
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"I'm willing to bet yes. This is almost certainly an HDMI 1.3a thing."

Wouldn't that delay the fix on the T775 as well?

Almost certainly.
post #335 of 4288
Like i said, I know it's frustrating, but I wouldn't blame NAD, except to say that maybe they should have done v1.1 HDMI and had the product out a year ago. Then we'd all be talking about when our new upgrades are coming.
post #336 of 4288
Very frustrating indeed..

Is it out of the question for Nad to release a statement on their website regarding the delays of their new range - surely, such a communication would be beneficial to Nad themselves and its potential customers

We need accurate, reliable, clear communication and not just 'anticipation release dates' that we are getting from Karen Pritchard

Ken
post #337 of 4288
Well, yes, you're right, but companies are very good at announcing delivery dates, but *hate* to talk about delays. It makes them uncomfortable, like admitting something is wrong.
post #338 of 4288
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Originally Posted by Alimentall View Post

Well, yes, you're right, but companies are very good at announcing delivery dates, but *hate* to talk about delays. It makes them uncomfortable, like admitting something is wrong.

That stance is not going to help anybody is it - come on Nad, we are all grown up - please can you give us some accurate information on what's going on - enough is enough - the T175 thread is over a year old and still there is no one on this earth with one.

There definitely needs to be a communication regarding the delays to these new products - its starting to wear me out I'm afraid

Ken
post #339 of 4288
I'm talking generally, not singling out NAD. And they do communicate with the dealers via broadcast e-mails about this stuff. Not always the same day that a delay has happened. Plus, they almost certainly get BSed a bit by suppliers and that leaves them with a "we don't know what to tell out dealers" problem. I get stuck in that situation regularly, where I don't know what to say because they don't know what to say because some supplier isn't being completely forthright or misses a deadline or whatever. IOW, it delays just plain happen and they may not want to give a new date because they're not 100% about that one.
post #340 of 4288
Rec'd email from NAD. Release date on T785 is end of Dec. 2007.
post #341 of 4288
I am seeing lots of information on the the 785 release date but does anyone have an update in regards to the corrected 775?
post #342 of 4288
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Originally Posted by nek View Post

Hi mate,

Any new info on the hdmi/pcm fix in regards to your 775?

Ken

Yes. The LPCM issue is fixed actually. If you want details on the fix, please inquire at NAD's web help center. Everyone's situation will vary and the method of applying the fix will vary, so I won't say any more about my experience other than it was relatively painless, and both NAD and my dealer were excellent about the whole thing.

Remember that this fix was for the "multichannel LPCM over HDMI" problem only--all the other features of the T775 work just fine (including digital bitstream audio over HDMI, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and 2-channel PCM/LPCM over HDMI). It is unlikely that every T775 will even need this fix--it probably only applies to the very early units. With this in mind, please remember that it is only applicable for those who want to take advantage of multichannel (5.1 and 7.1) LPCM over HDMI, which overall is still a relatively small number. Of course in this forum the percentage of users who want this feature is higher, so I'll say again: the fix was easy, it was arranged nicely by NAD, and I have no complaints. You should not let this potential problem keep you away from an excellent receiver like the T775, or you will be missing out on a terrific performer.

After owning the T775 for a few weeks, I can give a more informed opinion of its performance. Honestly, the performance of this receiver continues to impress me. The NAD audyssey curve is so well implemented that I am really at a loss to describe how much better my theater sounds with it. The difference between the stock audyssey curve and the NAD custom is very obvious; it is clear that NAD did their homework when designing this. Another note on the audyssey auto-calibration. It worked flawlessly detecting my setup with accurate speaker "size", level and distance. Further, the EARS surround mode is much more effective at recreating spacial cues and ambiance in recordings than any highly-processed DSP mode that I have ever heard. I still prefer the direct recording, but if you want to apply DSP to a music source, EARS is impressive.

Regarding multichannel LPCM performance. Multichannel SACD is absolutely stunning through this receiver. This recording is beautiful. Listening to it played back in multichannel SACD through the T775, I found nothing lacking. I don't have a lot of experience with multichannel SACD, so I don't many other hardware pieces with which to compare the T775, but I can't imagine being dissatisfied with it. Uncompressed/lossless compressed film soundtracks also sounded fantastic--the improvements over standard lossy surround formats-- specifically resolution, dynamic range, and imaging-- are all palpable.

I'm also starting to appreciate many of the little finishing touches that NAD created with this receiver. These features seem to be very customer driven; obviously NAD listens to customers, and this is a refreshing change from typical consumer electronics company practices. It is a benefit of NAD that is frequently cited by NAD loyalists, and after owning the T775 I can understand why. For example:

- source setup can be done on a source-by-source basis (entering a separate page for each source), or in a tabular form that makes setting up multiple sources at once very easy. Sources can be deactivated from this menu as well, a nice feature as it limits frustration when cycling through them.

- The front display can be customized. There are two lines of the display that can be customized with different types of information (e.g. volume, source, etc) or shut off completely. Of course the display can be set to dim/bright according to preference (nice feature if you have the receiver in your main room and need to limit light sources.)

- The HTR-3 remote is very easy to use and program--the ability to customize punch-through commands is a very useful bonus.

- Lastly, the receiver boots up almost instantaneously and operates nearly completely silently. Even after extended listening it does not run hot, and the fans never become audible -- contrast this to the reports of the very hot-running Onkyo products.

Moving on, I have to mention the appearance of the T775 (and indeed the entire T7x5/T175 line). They are certainly a departure from the norm, but I find it a welcome change. Regarding color: in the states, we only get the graphite color (very dark greyish-blue) to which I am fairly indifferent. However, overall I find the new look and layout pleasing.

All-in-all, I'm thoroughly impressed with this product. NAD did their homework designing an extremely ergonomically-pleasing receiver with excellent build-quality. NAD appears to have put forward an extremely strong effort here--everything new about the T775 is a welcome change and the old guard (including, of course, signature NAD sound quality) is there to provide a solid foundation. Separates? I for one don't miss them.
post #343 of 4288
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Originally Posted by jnc1 View Post

Yes. The LPCM issue is fixed actually. If you want details on the fix, please inquire at NAD's web help center. Everyone's situation will vary and the method of applying the fix will vary, so I won't say any more about my experience other than it was relatively painless, and both NAD and my dealer were excellent about the whole thing.

Remember that this fix was for the "multichannel LPCM over HDMI" problem only--all the other features of the T775 work just fine (including digital bitstream audio over HDMI, such as Dolby Digital and DTS, and 2-channel PCM/LPCM over HDMI). It is unlikely that every T775 will even need this fix--it probably only applies to the very early units. With this in mind, please remember that it is only applicable for those who want to take advantage of multichannel (5.1 and 7.1) LPCM over HDMI, which overall is still a relatively small number. Of course in this forum the percentage of users who want this feature is higher, so I'll say again: the fix was easy, it was arranged nicely by NAD, and I have no complaints. You should not let this potential problem keep you away from an excellent receiver like the T775, or you will be missing out on a terrific performer.

After owning the T775 for a few weeks, I can give a more informed opinion of its performance. Honestly, the performance of this receiver continues to impress me. The NAD audyssey curve is so well implemented that I am really at a loss to describe how much better my theater sounds with it. The difference between the stock audyssey curve and the NAD custom is very obvious; it is clear that NAD did their homework when designing this. Another note on the audyssey auto-calibration. It worked flawlessly detecting my setup with accurate speaker "size", level and distance. Further, the EARS surround mode is much more effective at recreating spacial cues and ambiance in recordings than any highly-processed DSP mode that I have ever heard. I still prefer the direct recording, but if you want to apply DSP to a music source, EARS is impressive.

Regarding multichannel LPCM performance. Multichannel SACD is absolutely stunning through this receiver. This recording is beautiful. Listening to it played back in multichannel SACD through the T775, I found nothing lacking. I don't have a lot of experience with multichannel SACD, so I don't many other hardware pieces with which to compare the T775, but I can't imagine being dissatisfied with it. Uncompressed/lossless compressed film soundtracks also sounded fantastic--the improvements over standard lossy surround formats-- specifically resolution, dynamic range, and imaging-- are all palpable.

I'm also starting to appreciate many of the little finishing touches that NAD created with this receiver. These features seem to be very customer driven; obviously NAD listens to customers, and this is a refreshing change from typical consumer electronics company practices. It is a benefit of NAD that is frequently cited by NAD loyalists, and after owning the T775 I can understand why. For example:

- source setup can be done on a source-by-source basis (entering a separate page for each source), or in a tabular form that makes setting up multiple sources at once very easy. Sources can be deactivated from this menu as well, a nice feature as it limits frustration when cycling through them.

- The front display can be customized. There are two lines of the display that can be customized with different types of information (e.g. volume, source, etc) or shut off completely. Of course the display can be set to dim/bright according to preference (nice feature if you have the receiver in your main room and need to limit light sources.)

- The HTR-3 remote is very easy to use and program--the ability to customize punch-through commands is a very useful bonus.

- Lastly, the receiver boots up almost instantaneously and operates nearly completely silently. Even after extended listening it does not run hot, and the fans never become audible -- contrast this to the reports of the very hot-running Onkyo products.

Moving on, I have to mention the appearance of the T775 (and indeed the entire T7x5/T175 line). They are certainly a departure from the norm, but I find it a welcome change. Regarding color: in the states, we only get the graphite color (very dark greyish-blue) to which I am fairly indifferent. However, overall I find the new look and layout pleasing.

All-in-all, I'm thoroughly impressed with this product. NAD did their homework designing an extremely ergonomically-pleasing receiver with excellent build-quality. NAD appears to have put forward an extremely strong effort here--everything new about the T775 is a welcome change and the old guard (including, of course, signature NAD sound quality) is there to provide a solid foundation. Separates? I for one don't miss them.

Great info again mate

In regards to the LPCM fix - was it just software?

Ken
post #344 of 4288
Thread Starter 
jnc1,

You are sure that the silver option is not available in the states?
post #345 of 4288
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Originally Posted by nek View Post

Great info again mate

In regards to the LPCM fix - was it just software?

Ken

Thanks for the kind words Ken!

Regarding the fix: I really don't want to talk out of turn on this issue, so I am very reluctant to discuss this: I'm sure NAD dealers will deal with this in different ways. I hope you can understand this and reserve all of your questions regarding the fix for www.nadelectronics.com. I actually don't know precisely what was required for the fix as it was performed at a service center. NAD and my dealer were both very good to me on this issue -- I can't say enough about how impressed I am with their customer service and attention to detail. My experience with their support/customer service was the best I have ever had with a CE company.

I do not intend to be elusive on the subject, but I won't answer any other questions regarding the fix. Talk to NAD--they will take care of you.

Regards,
John
post #346 of 4288
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Originally Posted by TommyV View Post

jnc1,

You are sure that the silver option is not available in the states?

That is my understanding, yes. Your dealer may be able to elaborate more on this, but to my knowledge we get the graphite version only.

John
post #347 of 4288
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Originally Posted by jnc1 View Post

Thanks for the kind words Ken!

Regarding the fix: I really don't want to talk out of turn on this issue, so I am very reluctant to discuss this: I'm sure NAD dealers will deal with this in different ways. I hope you can understand this and reserve all of your questions regarding the fix for www.nadelectronics.com. I actually don't know precisely what was required for the fix as it was performed at a service center. NAD and my dealer were both very good to me on this issue -- I can't say enough about how impressed I am with their customer service and attention to detail. My experience with their support/customer service was the best I have ever had with a CE company.

I do not intend to be elusive on the subject, but I won't answer any other questions regarding the fix. Talk to NAD--they will take care of you.

Regards,
John

No worries John, and as you suggest, by the time my T785 (delayed again ) is out, they should have the fix implemented.

I also agree with their customer support being fantastic - BUT wish they could be more clearer in regards to the delays of these units.

Ken
post #348 of 4288
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Originally Posted by nek View Post

No worries John, and as you suggest, by the time my T785 (delayed again ) is out, they should have the fix implemented.

I also agree with their customer support being fantastic - BUT wish they could be more clearer in regards to the delays of these units.

Ken

In a perfect world, I agree that a bit more openness would help. However, rather than living in a perfect world, we live in the world of HDMI, the nemesis of AV engineers everywhere.

John
post #349 of 4288
John,

Great to hear that your unit is fixed and performing well.

Could you comment specifically on bass response before and after Audyssey EQ?
post #350 of 4288
But this is really weird - I just got off the phone with Michael Kostiw of NAD, with some questions about Audyssey (see separate new thread), and also asked him about the LPCM fix, and if he could tell me which serial #'s would have the fix.

He went away for a few minutes, and came back and said that there is no fix and won't be until around CES in January. I told him about John's, and ventured that maybe there were enough boards to fix the few units already out there.

He went away and came back again and said he had talked to the only other person who would know besides him, and there is no fix out there yet.

Bizarre.

Perhaps John's was repaired expensively by a technician at the component level, an expense which NAD wants to repeat as little as possible.
post #351 of 4288
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

John,

Great to hear that your unit is fixed and performing well.

Could you comment specifically on bass response before and after Audyssey EQ?

sure. I've commented on this before, but basically Bass response is one of the main differences between the stock audyssey curve and the NAD curve. Bass response feels much fuller with the NAD than with the Audyssey. Bass without any EQ active, at least in my theater, is rather boomy; not terribly so, but turning on any of the three EQ modes (NAD, Audyssey, or Flat) reveals it. Activating the NAD EQ removes the boominess without taking out the bottom end, whilst the Audyssey seems to create a bit of a void in the 30-50Hz range (by my ears--I haven't used an SPL meter to test). With either Audyssey or NAD EQ, the lowest frequencies seem about the same, again by my ears. (Note: by the manual at least, the Flat setting is only there for system testing/configuration.)

Both the Audyssey and the NAD improve other areas of the frequency range about equally. The Audyssey may be just a bit brighter. Both have a wonderful effect on soundstage width and localisation.

John
post #352 of 4288
Thanks for elaborating, John, sounds very encouraging.
post #353 of 4288
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This recording is beautiful. Listening to it played back in multichannel SACD through the T775, I found nothing lacking.

When I clicked on the link above I got this:

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Can you name the recording....Thanks.

I'm waiting patiently for the 775/785 to come to Denmark and have been reading different threads trying to find as much info as possible while I wait.

I just discovered that the 775 manual has been added to NADs website for anyone thats interested (I didn't see it there a week or two ago).
post #354 of 4288
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Originally Posted by Rob801 View Post

When I clicked on the link above I got this:



Can you name the recording....Thanks.

I'm waiting patiently for the 775/785 to come to Denmark and have been reading different threads trying to find as much info as possible while I wait.

I just discovered that the 775 manual has been added to NADs website for anyone thats interested (I didn't see it there a week or two ago).

sorry about that. That was for the new LSO Recordings of the Beethoven Symphonies 1-9.
post #355 of 4288
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Thanks for elaborating, John, sounds very encouraging.

Another point that forgot to make on this:

I was never a fan of any type of equalization, always wanting to hear the information played back in an unadulterated form. I viewed any equalization as distortion, and in a strictly literal sense, it is. However I've come to realize that unless I am able to amass both a large sum of money and a good deal more space, I have to live with the limitations of my listening room. Enter equalization. Of course the issue up until recently is that in order to properly equalize a room, a trained technician with the proper equipment and equalization hardware were required in order to achieve passable results. I really believe that the automated equalization processes available with newer hardware represent the best innovation in home audio to come around in some time.
post #356 of 4288
John, one more question: How is the EQ'd sound out of the "listening bubble", say off near the left corner of the room? Better or worse than no EQ?

I listen to FM jazz a lot while surfing, and that's where my PC is.
post #357 of 4288
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

John, one more question: How is the EQ'd sound out of the "listening bubble", say off near the left corner of the room? Better or worse than no EQ?

I listen to FM jazz a lot while surfing, and that's where my PC is.

Noah,

I'll have to test that for you. I think every time I've listened since I got it, I've been sitting in my favorite chair.

John
post #358 of 4288
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Originally Posted by jnc1 View Post

Noah,D

I'll have to test that for you. I think every time I've listened since I got it, I've been sitting in my favorite chair.

John

Hi, John. Not being familiar with your setup, are you able to verify whether the T775 is able to play HDMI audio sources (CDs, SACDs, etc.) with your display powered off? Some HDMI receivers (Onkyo, apparently... there may be others) are unable to do so. Another "handshaking" issue, presumably.

TIA.
post #359 of 4288
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sorry about that. That was for the new LSO Recordings of the Beethoven Symphonies 1-9.

I need
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