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post #4141 of 4288
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Thanks Bommai,

I'll do that. I wonder if they'll still give it to me consindering the age of the unit (way out of warranty). I do have the correct cable to update.

Ray
I am pretty sure they will give it. They just want to make sure that you won't have trouble with it. While the process is simple, they do have a little risk of bricking the unit. However, I have never had a problem. Just make sure the cable is plugged in snuggly and the computer and power to receiver are stable. Also verify with NAD that the firmware is applicable to your unit.
Edited by bommai - 4/7/13 at 8:45pm
post #4142 of 4288
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

I am pretty sure they will give it. They just want to make sure that you won't have trouble with it. While the process is simple, they do have a little risk of bricking the unit. However, I have never had a problem. Just make sure the cable is plugged in snuggly and the computer and power to receiver are stable. Also very with NAD that the firmware is applicable to your unit.

Thanks Bommai. I'm actually very familiar with the update process, did 3 back in the day (also very comfortable with all types of electronics, computers, etc). Is Bob Moran still the contact? I've had my unit in it's original box for the past two years (looks new). I wanted XT32 at the time and the only unit that had it was the Denon A100/4311CI. XT32 was worth it for me along with the Audyssey Pro Kit (when I had the T785 in my media room, I also used the SVS AS-EQ1 in order use SubEQ with two subs). Do the new cards that NAD has available have XT32 on them yet?
post #4143 of 4288
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

Thanks Bommai. I'm actually very familiar with the update process, did 3 back in the day (also very comfortable with all types of electronics, computers, etc). Is Bob Moran still the contact? I've had my unit in it's original box for the past two years (looks new). I wanted XT32 at the time and the only unit that had it was the Denon A100/4311CI. XT32 was worth it for me along with the Audyssey Pro Kit (when I had the T785 in my media room, I also used the SVS AS-EQ1 in order use SubEQ with two subs). Do the new cards that NAD has available have XT32 on them yet?

Bob Moran is still the contact. Great guy. I don't think the new cards have XT32 yet. At least it is not even advertised with the 777/787 receivers. I am happy with the XT since I have not experienced XT32. Also, I have only one sub currently. I don't have some eq issues because of placement. I need to move my seating forward because I am half way in the middle which seems to be the worst place to sit. I also need to get some longer speaker cables so that I can move the speakers around a little bit. I am getting into using the REW java program on my iMac to get some data. Too busy with family right now. Hard to find time to even watch anything much less tinker around. rolleyes.gif
post #4144 of 4288
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

Bob Moran is still the contact. Great guy. I don't think the new cards have XT32 yet. At least it is not even advertised with the 777/787 receivers. I am happy with the XT since I have not experienced XT32. Also, I have only one sub currently. I don't have some eq issues because of placement. I need to move my seating forward because I am half way in the middle which seems to be the worst place to sit. I also need to get some longer speaker cables so that I can move the speakers around a little bit. I am getting into using the REW java program on my iMac to get some data. Too busy with family right now. Hard to find time to even watch anything much less tinker around. rolleyes.gif

That's great, Bob Moran is a real nice guy to deal with. XT32 is nothing short of miraculus, it's so much bette than XT that I won't use an AVR/Processor without it in our main media room. The filter resolutions are so much higher in both the subs and mains (regardless if you are using 1 or multiple subs). Hopefully NAD will be on board with it soon, it really is that good. Here are the comparisons from Audyssey's site:

http://audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq

Keep in mind that 'X' is like 20 filters (don't know the exact number), but Chris from Audyssey stated in the past that XT32 has 10,000 filters in both the subwooer and satellites each. It creates an incredible 'sound bubble' in your room.

I highly recommend you move your seating position out of the middle area. We have a small dedicated room and that was an issue also. I had to move seating closer to the back wall to be out of the middle - it's the absolute worse place for bass. And if you are EQing for the bass in the middle area, all other areas will have boomy, uncontrolled bass. Try it out, it makes a big difference.REW is great by the way, it'll give you very good objective measurements to show what's happening in your room with placement of seating, speaker mains, and your subwoofer. The Dayton OMNI Mic kit is also pretty good (less of a learning curve for quick measurements, but REW is much more robust). I have both of them - there are threads here on AVS for both that are great if you want to learn more.

I very much understand the time issue. We have a 6yo son that keeps us very busy. With work and family, it can be hard to find time for ourselves.

Thanks again for your help.
post #4145 of 4288
All this talk about Firmware. So I broke down and checked mine. Running v1.29. Can anyone summarize what changes/improvements have happened between v1.29 and v1.39. I didn't realize so many updates had come out.

Thanks!
post #4146 of 4288
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Originally Posted by macmanjpc View Post

All this talk about Firmware. So I broke down and checked mine. Running v1.29. Can anyone summarize what changes/improvements have happened between v1.29 and v1.39. I didn't realize so many updates had come out.

Thanks!

The main fix I can think of is the audio cutoff fix at the start of a music track when using digital connection such as Toslink or HDMI. I like to be at the bleeding edge of firmware updates with most of my equipment. I am on 1.39 and everything has been great.
post #4147 of 4288
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

The main fix I can think of is the audio cutoff fix at the start of a music track when using digital connection such as Toslink or HDMI. I like to be at the bleeding edge of firmware updates with most of my equipment. I am on 1.39 and everything has been great.

That would certainly be nice!

Any way someone could email me the 1.39 file and update instructions to macmanjpc AT gmail DOT com? I have a usb to serial cable.

Thanks!
J.
post #4148 of 4288
As Bommai suggested earlier, t would be best if you contact NAD support as they want to be the ones to give you the FW update and instructions. They will ask for your SER# of your unit so that they can make sure you choose the right settings for the FW update. I just sent them an email on Monday (to NAD Suppport), got an answer this morning to contact Michael Alguire (malguire@lenbrook.com) which I did this morning (in the past it was Bob Moran). He immediately answered with the question of your SER# to confirm and then sent me the update. I just ran the update (mine was OLD - have the original T785 with a FW of 1.18). The newer version for mine was 1.38 (not 1.39 as some have the HD version, I don't).

So, just send them a note - the response is farily quick and as Bommai states - follow the directions to the T as you can tank your unit if not.
post #4149 of 4288
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

As Bommai suggested earlier, t would be best if you contact NAD support as they want to be the ones to give you the FW update and instructions. They will ask for your SER# of your unit so that they can make sure you choose the right settings for the FW update. I just sent them an email on Monday (to NAD Suppport), got an answer this morning to contact Michael Alguire (malguire@lenbrook.com) which I did this morning (in the past it was Bob Moran). He immediately answered with the question of your SER# to confirm and then sent me the update. I just ran the update (mine was OLD - have the original T785 with a FW of 1.18). The newer version for mine was 1.38 (not 1.39 as some have the HD version, I don't).

So, just send them a note - the response is farily quick and as Bommai states - follow the directions to the T as you can tank your unit if not.

Great answer. Also, have you already updated yours? Let me know if you see any difference between the old firmware and the new one.
post #4150 of 4288
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

Great answer. Also, have you already updated yours? Let me know if you see any difference between the old firmware and the new one.

I just updated it within the last hour. I need to get it all hooked up again and will run some listening tests (I doubt the video will change, but I had some problems with audio dropouts). Well give an update after doing enough listening.

Thanks again!
post #4151 of 4288
Well, it looks like there may be an issue with the HDMI board in my T785. I still get the audio dropouts after the FW update. Everything else works great. I took it apart and re-seated all the boards - nothing 'visibly' wrong with them. Then re-set the unit to factory defaults and re-flashed the FW. Still have the same issue. All else works great (any other inputs not on the HDMI board). I also tested the 7.1 inputs just out of curiosity - works great (except it bypasses all DSP like bass management and Audyssey). I'm not sure it's even worth getting a new board for this unit. It's an original T785 from 2009. It will still act as a great amplifier for another AVR, but not sure I want to do that (or use it for a couple different zone outputs from another AVR).

How much do the new board run at the moment if anyone here knows?

Thanks
Ray
Edited by cavchameleon - 4/10/13 at 5:56pm
post #4152 of 4288
Forgot to mention, if there are any of you that upgraded their cards and want to get rid / sell their older cards, let me know (as long as they are still in working order).

Thanks!
Ray
post #4153 of 4288
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Originally Posted by kentd98 View Post

Unfortunately, I need to send in my T775HD for repair (under warranty). The problem I am having is no video output.

Bob Moran gave me the names of 3 service centers on the west coast. Does anyone have experience with any of these service centers and would you recommend one over the others?

Inner Sound Portland OR
Henry Radio Los Angeles CA
Northridge Electronics Simi Valley CA

Thanks!
Kent

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Originally Posted by dylan24 View Post

Alan at Henry Radio did a good job replacing the fans on my T775.

Just following up...

I went with Alan @ Henry Radio and my repaired T775HD is on it's way back to me (to be delivered on Friday, 4/12).

I also paid to upgrade the VM100 to the VM150 at the same time since I was already planning to do that upgrade at some point.

I'll let everyone know what the repair entailed once I receive the report from Alan.

Regards,
Kent
post #4154 of 4288
My otherwise fine working T775HD is starting to get an audible fan. I hope it does not get worse. My warranty runs out in June. Is the fan pretty easy to replace?
post #4155 of 4288
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Originally Posted by bommai View Post

My otherwise fine working T775HD is starting to get an audible fan. I hope it does not get worse. My warranty runs out in June. Is the fan pretty easy to replace?

Not sure but I can't imagine it's that difficult. Mine was sent back twice for fan replacements. The problem was they only replaced one fan the first time and shortly after getting it back another started buzzing like a helicopter! Second time around they replaced all the fans I believe. The repair bill showed that the fans (parts) were very inexpensive so I don't think changing them yourself after warranty expires would be very costly. Maybe they'll have come out with better fans by then wink.gif

On another note, Bob Moran was great at getting me the v1.39 firmware update for my 775HD. Will install this weekend and report back.

Cheers and thanks for the help.

J.
post #4156 of 4288
bommai,

Replacing the fans are pretty easy and straight forward. The 'plate' that holds all the fans is easy to take off and the fans are mounted to that plate. Each fan has a wire that is pluged into a strip next to the transformers (each fan having it's own plug). It's an easy process. I've taken much of the T785 apart to blow out all the dust that collected over the years.
post #4157 of 4288
Can anyone tell me if updating the firmware forces you to have to re-run Audyssey, reset AV presets, etc.? I've spent God knows how many hours tweaking this thing.

Cheers,
Jason.
post #4158 of 4288
Generally not. But depends on how old your current firmware is. Also there is a windows software on nads website that lets you save all your settings but it does not save audyssey.
post #4159 of 4288
Thanks again Bommai. Couldn't get the interface software to work. Recognized the t775 but wouldn't connect. The good news is that the firmware update worked no problem and all my settings including Audyssey were preserved. My DSP was updated from v1.04b to v1.05b and the MCU from v1.29 to v1.39.

Not noticing anything other than no more clipping the beginnings of song tracks. Finally! Alas, though, it seems they've reduced that lag/latency to the point that songs are effected but not removed it entirely as the bleeps and bloops of my Apple TV still do not come through. Now you can just the the very trailing end of those tones. Not a big deal as I've lived without them for years wink.gif

Cheers,
Jason.
post #4160 of 4288
I have questions about MDCs.

I have a t785HD with the AM200 and VM200 modules. I have one set of Component Video cables connected and use them for cable TV (HDMI wouldn't allow me to use my Hauppauge HDPVR-1212 to capture video from the cable box) so I need to retain CV. From what I can gather, the VM150 would work but the VM150x would eliminate my Component Video inputs. The pictures on NAD's website are confusing, since it almost appears as if the VM150x replaces the next module over, which is neither an AM or VM module and contains the Component Video inputs. Is that the case?

The only other difference I see would be the addition of an Eithernet jack on the VM150x. What is it for?

BTW, NAD's PDF: http://nadelectronics.com/img/static/MDC-Matrix.pdf recommends VM150/AM200 for 3D/HDMI 1.4, I think.
Edited by cctvtech - 4/14/13 at 12:24pm
post #4161 of 4288
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Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post

bommai,

Replacing the fans are pretty easy and straight forward. The 'plate' that holds all the fans is easy to take off and the fans are mounted to that plate. Each fan has a wire that is pluged into a strip next to the transformers (each fan having it's own plug). It's an easy process. I've taken much of the T785 apart to blow out all the dust that collected over the years.

Thanks for this! My T775 is out of warranty and starting to exhibit the fan noise also. I had been debating whether to replace the fans myself or send it in. With the whole replaceable cards architecture, it struck me as essentially like a big PC, except with the big ol' power transformers. I have built many a PC from scratch, so if the fans are that easy to get to....sounds worth saving the few hundred dollars.
post #4162 of 4288
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Originally Posted by cctvtech View Post

I have questions about MDCs.

I have a t785HD with the AM200 and VM200 modules. I have one set of Component Video cables connected and use them for cable TV (HDMI wouldn't allow me to use my Hauppauge HDPVR-1212 to capture video from the cable box) so I need to retain CV. From what I can gather, the VM150 would work but the VM150x would eliminate my Component Video inputs. The pictures on NAD's website are confusing, since it almost appears as if the VM150x replaces the next module over, which is neither an AM or VM module and contains the Component Video inputs. Is that the case?

The only other difference I see would be the addition of an Eithernet jack on the VM150x. What is it for?

BTW, NAD's PDF: http://nadelectronics.com/img/static/MDC-Matrix.pdf recommends VM150/AM200 for 3D/HDMI 1.4, I think.

Can't say for sure as I have a T775HD, not a T785HD, but I think your understanding is correct.

I just upgraded my T775HD from VM100 to VM150, and that allowed me to keep the Component Video I/O. If I had also added the VM150x to the upgrade, I would have lost the Component Video I/O.

The new receivers appear to have a different MDC architecture. Look at the T777 back panel pic on the NAD website, and you can see that the T777 has the VM150, VM150x, *and* Component Video I/O. Looks like the T777 lost some S-Video and Composite Video inputs *and* the S-Video and Composite Video outputs in order to keep the Component Video I/O. Probably the right trade off for 99.9% of customers.

The ethernet jack has no end user available functionality at this time.

Hope this helps.
post #4163 of 4288
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Originally Posted by NCCaniac View Post

Thanks for this! My T775 is out of warranty and starting to exhibit the fan noise also. I had been debating whether to replace the fans myself or send it in. With the whole replaceable cards architecture, it struck me as essentially like a big PC, except with the big ol' power transformers. I have built many a PC from scratch, so if the fans are that easy to get to....sounds worth saving the few hundred dollars.

Since you've built many of your own PC's (I have also), the AVR is not an issue - it'll be a walk in the park. It's a very good design as far as replacing modules and large parts. Small parts that are soldered are another story (not an issue either if you have experience with that).
post #4164 of 4288
I was at the local dealer in DK the other day for demonstration of Bluesound products. On one of the slides they told us that Bluesound will come as a MDC for NAD. The people behind Bluesound are the same as the people behind NAD.
At last NAD receivers will get the ability to stream music and internet radio and cloud streaming services like Wimp and later Spottify and perhaps others. I am not sure if the existing ethernet connector is used or another connector will be introduced on the new MDC.
Link to Bluesound : http://www.bluesound.com/

roadrunnerdk
post #4165 of 4288
Has anyone heard anything about NAD supporting DTS Neo:X in any of the new MDC's? I am getting into the market for a new receiver or pre, but I want to be able to go beyond 7 channels.
post #4166 of 4288
My 785 had been great after the 1.34 FW upgrade a few months ago, then after not using it for a few weeks I went to turn it on and now my center channel cuts in and out. It doesn't matter the input or source, it will just be great and then just drop out. It does this with Audyssey on or off. I contacted NAD and got a firmware update just to see if that was the issue but it made no difference. I have the VM200 and AM200 installed.

Is anybody else having or had this issue?? I was really flustered with the 785 when it kept having the audio drop outs but the FW fixed that and now no center channel. Really unhappy with NAD right now.
post #4167 of 4288
I jinxed it!!! I have been proudly telling everyone that my NAD T775HD has been problem free and today the right speaker channel quit working. This is the first serious problem I have had. The good news is that I still have a month of warranty left. The bad news is I seem to have misplaced my receipt (which is needed for warranty service). I am going to call my dealer (Saturday Audio in Chicago) and see if they can send me a duplicate receipt. Hope they have such records. I even have the UPS shipping notice from UPS Quantum View as an email, but I cannot find the damn receipt!

I disconnected the T775HD and put it aside and hooked back my old NAD T763 - I lost HDMI and the surround back right channel (since the 763 is a 6.1 receiver and not a 7.1), but man it sounds good. Just as good as the T775. I am glad I did not sell when I upgraded to the T775.
post #4168 of 4288
That's a shame, jinx or no jinx. I bought my T175HD used so no warranty for me. Hopefully Saturday Audio will come through for you.

I too kept my older T773 receiver and am using it in spare bedroom 2-channel rig, it holds it's own against similar priced seperates IMO.

Hopefully I won't have to move that 53 pound behemoth back into my HT rig.

Bill
post #4169 of 4288
Good news. I had sent Saturday Audio an email asking for the receipt yesterday and today they emailed me a pdf of the receipt. That is what I call great service! Now I have to send the receiver for service. While I had gotten an older receiver repaired at ProAudio in Tampa, I have some reservations with the quality of work that they did. Does anyone here have a great recommendation for a service center. There is none less than 2 hours drive from my home. The closest to me are Tampa and Ft. Lauderdale (both are 2+ hours from my home). If I am shipping it, might as well send it to the best place! NAD will only pay for return shipment. So, the initial shipment is on me frown.gif
post #4170 of 4288
I have shipped my NAD T775HD to ProAudio Electronics in Tampa today by UPS Ground. They should have it by tomorrow. Cost me $38 with insurance. Hopefully they will get it fixed properly. I have also asked them to take a look at the fans that are starting to make noise. In the mean time, I have installed my old NAD T763 in the void left by my NAD T775HD. Sounds damn good!
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