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post #61 of 3166
I realize this projector does 'deep black' but is that, and if not, can it output 'true black?'
post #62 of 3166
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If it can really do 50,000:1 with dynamic iris, it will be able to come not very far from true black.

Anyway, after the new price will be announced, I think most of us will lose interest.
post #63 of 3166
at $4000 I know I will. That makes me I was very excited.
post #64 of 3166
I was planning to see this before I bought one anyway, but if it's going to cost over $2700 (or at the very most $3000), then I'll probably get an Optoma HD80 or something equivilent instead.

I've owned 6 projectors over the last 10 years (3 LCD and 3 DLP) and while each technology has advantages and disadvantages over the other, I really prefer DLP for overall picture quality.

Of course I strongly prefer the flexibility of LCD. If this Epson was only going to cost around $2500 or so and have great black levels, I was going to be very interested in it. Now I'm not so sure.

I'm not planning to make a purchase until around the end of the year anyway, so hopefully it will all work out.
post #65 of 3166
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Anthony, I totally agree.

At street prices of $2,200 USD, the HD80 is a better deal than the Powerlite UB will be if it cost around $3500 USD or more (assuming you can accommodate the HD80 in your room).
post #66 of 3166
Hey Jones_Rush,

I know this is not the right thread to discuss this in, but is the HD80 currently available for around $2200? I knew you could get one for quite a bit less than $2699, but I didn't realize it had gone quite the low yet.

I bet by Christmas, there will be more than one 1080p projector available for around $2000 or even a bit under.
post #67 of 3166
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Yes, I actually found a legitimate place in Canada who sell the HD80 for close to $2000 (USD), though they're out of stock.

My two problems with the HD80 are: 1. Rainbows (yes, even with a 6x wheel, people are still reporting it, and I can see it with a 5x wheel), 2. *extremely* long throw, which doesn't allow to get large enough image in many rooms.

The Powerlite UB is free from both these problems... but the price...
post #68 of 3166
Thankfully I hardly ever see rainbows and I need a long range zoom.

That being said, If the Epson ends up being affordable and comes close to living up to it's spec's I'd opt for that instead.
post #69 of 3166
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Originally Posted by Jones_Rush View Post


My guess is $4000 USD for the UB home edition, and $5000 USD for the UB Pro edition. This should allow Panasonic/Mitsubishi/Sanyo to sell their inferior 1080p units, assuming their street prices will be low enoug.

If true, then forget the Epson. I'll get a JVC RS1.
post #70 of 3166
I'm really happy with my HC1080 but I've been thinking about selling it and upgrading to a Black Pearl or another one of the new 1080p's coming out this winter. Now it looks like I'll have to dump it sooner than I thought. I'm still skeptical about the contrast ratio though and I think I'll be holding off on a preorder until people get a chance to see it in action. I have a hard time believing an LCD can outperform LCOS or DLP but if that turns out to be the case then I definitely wouldn't mind spending a little more than $3000.
post #71 of 3166
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post #72 of 3166
I was prepared to delay my projector purchase til Dec...now if the price jumps I'll `settle' the the 400...Guess their taking the coward's way out.
post #73 of 3166
Well she says approx. $3500 Euro when asked how much it would cost and that would put it close to $5k American dollars. Yuck. I'm no longer excited.
post #74 of 3166
I just read a new post on Gizmodo that says that Epson confirmed the $2700 price point, or at least that is the way the update reads. That is awesome news if that is correct.

Check it out:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/epson-pow...inema-1080-ub/
post #75 of 3166
Thread Starter 
You mean this quote ?:

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We just got the scoop from Epson: the company says it will indeed deliver that new-and-improved 1080p projector that we told you about earlier today to the United States this December. It will be called the Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080 UB, and most startling of all is its price: $2699...

Please take notice they say "that we told you about earlier today" and "today" is September 4th, before Epson retracted the $2699 price...
post #76 of 3166
I have a hard time believing the big wigs at Epson were totally clueless on what would happen with Panasonic ,etc when they announced the new 1080. I'm sure the `price recall' has more to it than what we're assuming...
post #77 of 3166
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SbWillie, you might be right, but I still wouldn't dismiss the option that the competition pressured for the price to go up.

If the TW2000 is the only pj with dramatically updated native contrast, and the only pj which offer a long lamp warranty, plus the only pj which sells at a low price of $2699, then can you give me one reason why should anyone buy from a competitor ?, Epson, maybe unintentionally, almost killed the competition. Now with a much higher price tag, things will be more even.
post #78 of 3166
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Originally Posted by Jones_Rush View Post

TW2000 on video at IFA:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x...007_videogames

The Epson rep. on this video says the price on the TW2000 will be 3500 EUR or about $4800 U.S. Dollars! Thread should be closed and opened on the $3000+ forum. $4800 is WAY too much for my budget. Crossing it off my list. Too bad. It looked good.
post #79 of 3166
Epson would never admit this is what is going on, because if that were the reason the price goes up, then it's illegal.

Someone ought to pick up the phone and call the DOJ Antitrust Division. To be both a component supplier and a competitor, and then to have reactive price fixing based on your customer/competitor's wishes? That's a Sherman Act violation if I ever saw one. The Bush DOJ has been slow to get involved with anything that looks related to retail price control, but this has an element of competitor price fixing, too.

These companies may do this stuff all the time, but I assure you it is very dangerous and often results in multi-million dollar fines.
post #80 of 3166
Had this epson on my short list - and who wouldn't? - but if they jack the price...HD80 for me....


memo to Epson, either a vendor or a supplier be...

sub-memo, get bent
post #81 of 3166
It does NOT have 2.35:1 CIH build-in. Have to pay 3K for the Silicon Optics external video processor. No go for me.
post #82 of 3166
Aren't we talking MSRP here?
post #83 of 3166
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

The Epson rep. on this video says the price on the TW2000 will be 3500 EUR or about $4800 U.S. Dollars! Thread should be closed and opened on the $3000+ forum. $4800 is WAY too much for my budget. Crossing it off my list. Too bad. It looked good.

The prices between the U.S. and Europe don't work that way. You can't simply convert via exchange rates.
post #84 of 3166
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

It does NOT have 2.35:1 CIH build-in. Have to pay 3K for the Silicon Optics external video processor. No go for me.

If you're gonna say this, at least mention the source of the information.

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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

The prices between the U.S. and Europe don't work that way. You can't simply convert via exchange rates.

Yes, it usually works out to 1:1. Still above $3000, if the price is accurate.
post #85 of 3166
Thread Starter 
In order to get some proportions, the street price in Japan of the newly announced Sony VW-60 ("Black Pearl"), is $2900 USD.

Epson's good intensions to raise the price of the Powerlite UB in order not to hurt its LCD competitors, might be blocked to some extent by Sony's prices.
post #86 of 3166
Yes

a lot of taxes in europe.

for example in Spain:

Taxes:
-customs tariffs 20%
- VAT: 16%

And Spain don't have bigger taxes in Europe.
post #87 of 3166
ROTF-LMAO. This is great stuff!! Call the Dept of Justice! Get bent Epson! Conspiracies everywhere!!

I wonder if Epson might want to delay pricing announcements for a projector that won't hit the streets for three months in a market where prices change weekly?

Thanks for the good Friday morning entertainment gents!
post #88 of 3166
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I wonder if Epson might want to delay pricing announcements

They didn't "delay" pricing, they gave an amazing $2699 USD price, lowest in the 1080p world, and raised the interest of everybody. Then two days later retracted the price, and are going to replace it with a higher one.

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in a market where prices change weekly?

The prices go *down* weekly, not up. I never saw a projector that was sold for $2700 one week, and then a week later for $3700.

It is your right to remain naive though.
post #89 of 3166
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Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post

If you're gonna say this, at least mention the source of the information.

Here you go:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cedia07/e...rld-297157.php

We got a close-up look at the Epson Powerlite Home Cinema 1080 UB projector we scooped for you the other day, the cheapest 1080p projector in the world at an unofficial $2699 (but that might not be the exact number, according to Epson). Epson added a new chipset that raised its native (not dynamic) contrast ratio to 5000:1. We got an eyes-on demo, and liked what we saw. And check out that wild-ass attachment hanging on its front.

The blacks were even blacker than the Epson Powerlite that we already really liked, and the sharpness of this projector at its full 1080p was remarkable.

Making matters even more interesting was the $5000 anamorphic lens attached to this baby (see gallery), stretching the video out to a positively cinematic 2.35:1 aspect ratio. To get it there, you must have special squished anamorphic content, and to really do it right, you need the Silicon Optics external video processor (for another $3K), stretching everything out cleanly with no distortion.

Yikes, that's a total price of over $10K, but who said getting a picture that's better than your local cineplex was going to be cheap? Still, it's the lowest price for a setup like this we've seen, and worth it.
post #90 of 3166
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To get it there, you must have special squished anamorphic content, and to really do it right, you need the Silicon Optics external video processor (for another $3K), stretching everything out cleanly with no distortion.

Fortunately, we can do it at a fraction of the cost, using a cheap personal computer.
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