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post #31 of 2158
9/10/07 at 6:26pm
According to the Sanyo press release: http://www.sanyo.co.jp/koho/hypertex...8/0827-1e.html

The vertical refresh rate can be from 50 to 100Hz. Within an AFI video interview, the Sanyo representative said display could be 50 or 60Hz.

My question is: What is the story regarding the Sanyo Z2000 and 1080p24 -- can it display at either 72Hz or 96Hz, or is it simply not supported?
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post #32 of 2158
9/11/07 at 8:06am
Im new to projector shopping and was close to a HC1080 purchase. Now with this projector being a Sanyo, i know i would never buy a Sanyo TV. Are their projectors made well?

i have always associated Sanyo with cheaply made products. Am I wrong here?
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post #33 of 2158
9/11/07 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

According to the Sanyo press release: http://www.sanyo.co.jp/koho/hypertex...8/0827-1e.html

The vertical refresh rate can be from 50 to 100Hz. Within an AFI video interview, the Sanyo representative said display could be 50 or 60Hz.

My question is: What is the story regarding the Sanyo Z2000 and 1080p24 -- can it display at either 72Hz or 96Hz, or is it simply not supported?

I am OFTEN WRONG - but since I am in the electronics
industry - my experience is when something is NOT
TOUTED - that usually means it does not exist. If Sanyo
could support 1080p/24 - they should be shouting it
from rooftops.
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post #34 of 2158
9/11/07 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by rsprance View Post

Im new to projector shopping and was close to a HC1080 purchase. Now with this projector being a Sanyo, i know i would never buy a Sanyo TV. Are their projectors made well?

i have always associated Sanyo with cheaply made products. Am I wrong here?

Yes, in this case, wrong-o. Sanyo makes killer front projectors. Not that there's anything wrong with the Epson you're looking at. It's just that the Z2000 (and the new Epson 1080UB) will be using the new D7 3LCD panels which offer better contrast and black reproduction than the HC1080 which is one generation earlier.

-CB
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post #35 of 2158
9/11/07 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by TrevorS View Post

According to the Sanyo press release: http://www.sanyo.co.jp/koho/hypertex...8/0827-1e.html

The vertical refresh rate can be from 50 to 100Hz. Within an AFI video interview, the Sanyo representative said display could be 50 or 60Hz.

My question is: What is the story regarding the Sanyo Z2000 and 1080p24 -- can it display at either 72Hz or 96Hz, or is it simply not supported?

They didn't mention it. I'll check with their PR guy and see if he knows. I get the feeling that these press releases were thrown together at the last minute to be ready for CEDIA and it's possible even *they* don't know final specs yet.

-CB
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post #36 of 2158
9/11/07 at 12:05pm
Thanks Chris -- hope you learn something reasonably definitive.

Yesterday, I sent this email to the only Sanyo address I was able to find.

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09/10/2007 11:17 PM
To feedback@sfc.sanyo.com
Subject: Please, I need a little info on PLV-Z2000 projector

Hello,

I've been searching for a particular piece of information on the new Sanyo PLV-Z2000 3LCD projector that has been announced at AFI (Germany) and CEDIA (Colorado, U.S.)

I need to find out if it is able to accept a 1080p24 input and display it as a multiple of 24 frames-per-second. I don't mean convert an input of 24fps to 60fps and then display it as 1080p60, but rather accept the 24fps input as is and then display it at one or more of 48Hz, 72Hz, or 96Hz.

If I need to be directing this question to some other person/department/email-address, then please provide me with the appropriate contact information so that I can do so. I very much need this information. Thanks very much for your kind assistance.

Again, thanks -- Trevor Storey (302-737-2606)

Here is the response I received (my message was apparently forwarded to technical support):

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Hello Sir,

I am sorry but we do not have this information on the unit yet. We will not have much information till the release of the unit, which should be coming in the next couple of months.

Thanks,
Davin Penrod, CTS
Technical Support Specialist
Presentation Technologies
Sanyo Fisher Company

So, they may simply not have mentioned it, or it may not be there. Looks like we may have to wait for a comprehensive review of an advance unit to discover the truth! The comments by the Epson rep at AFI are not at all encouraging, though the vertical spec could potentially support 72 and 96Hz.

I'll be looking forward to whatever you manage to find out Chris -- Thanks !
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post #37 of 2158
9/12/07 at 6:09am
FWIW, a german HT dealer has said (on a german forum) that the pre-production model they tested already accepted 24p just fine, although the software/firmware was not finalized yet. He didn't mention the refresh rate the Z2000 displayed the 24p signal with, but didn't see any judder.
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post #38 of 2158
9/12/07 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Sunshine View Post

FWIW, a german HT dealer has said (on a german forum) that the pre-production model they tested already accepted 24p just fine, although the software/firmware was not finalized yet. He didn't mention the refresh rate the Z2000 displayed the 24p signal with, but didn't see any judder.

I'm a little gun shy on this issue since the Epson PowerLite PC/HC 1080 also accepts 1080p24, but it displays it as 1080p60. Needs either an independent evaluation or extremely clear and specific language to describe 1080p24 behavior.
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post #39 of 2158
9/12/07 at 11:12am
Did you get a MSRP for the Samsung unit?

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Originally Posted by Toe Tag View Post

...Announced way over in Berlin, the new Samsung SP-A8008 1080p DLP projector is a sight to behold. The projector sports a 24fps film mode and a 2,000 hour, 300W lamp that's capable of outputting about 1,000 lumens at a 10,000:1 contrast ratio. The device also sports some hefty ports: two HDMI, RGB for the PC, two component, S-Video and RS-232. ...
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post #40 of 2158
9/12/07 at 11:24am
I just hope Epson has resolved the Rainbow text problem that I think is in most if not all of the Home Cinema 1080P projector. If not they're out of the competition for me. Does someone have a good contact with Epson to find out? This problem only shows up when using a HDMI connection to view web content.

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post #41 of 2158
9/14/07 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

They didn't mention it. I'll check with their PR guy and see if he knows. I get the feeling that these press releases were thrown together at the last minute to be ready for CEDIA and it's possible even *they* don't know final specs yet.

-CB

Hello Chris,

Your silence suggests you've no further info on the PLV-Z2000 ability/inability to display 1080p24. Still, I thought I'd kick this out as a reminder (just in case you forgot !)
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post #42 of 2158
9/14/07 at 5:08pm
The Sanyo PLV-Z200 will support 1080p/24 according to the report found under the CEDIA threads on this site.

Here is the link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=907999

Like many of the rest of you, I am stuck trying to figure out if this will be my next projector, or if I will change to something like the Sony VW60.

In response to the person who asked about Sanyo's quality...
I have owned a couple of Sanyo projectors in the past, and they were great. I never had any problems with them at all. There is a reason that they come so highly rated for their price range. However, this will be Sanyo's first venture with the PLV-Z line into the 1080p competition.
Everything that I have read so far is telling me that LCD just can't compete with the LCOS and DLP crowd, regardless of the contrast numbers that they state. I would love to hear someone else say otherwise, as I am a fan of the Sanyo projectors, but it may indeed be time to step up to LCOS.
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post #43 of 2158
9/15/07 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by UC7 View Post

The Sanyo PLV-Z200 will support 1080p/24 according to the report found under the CEDIA threads on this site.

Here is the link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=907999

Like many of the rest of you, I am stuck trying to figure out if this will be my next projector, or if I will change to something like the Sony VW60.

In response to the person who asked about Sanyo's quality...
I have owned a couple of Sanyo projectors in the past, and they were great. I never had any problems with them at all. There is a reason that they come so highly rated for their price range. However, this will be Sanyo's first venture with the PLV-Z line into the 1080p competition.
Everything that I have read so far is telling me that LCD just can't compete with the LCOS and DLP crowd, regardless of the contrast numbers that they state. I would love to hear someone else say otherwise, as I am a fan of the Sanyo projectors, but it may indeed be time to step up to LCOS.

I can't speak for LCOS but I will say that as long as DLP has rainbows and lacks lens shift I will buy LCD's.

I have been using my Sanyo Z2 since its release with the same bulb and no problems. The picture is fantastic. The only drawbacks are dustblobs and spotty HDCP on the DVI input. I have not had to deal with Sanyo on a customer service basis but I have heard that customer service is not their strong point.
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post #44 of 2158
9/15/07 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by rsprance View Post

Now with this projector being a Sanyo, i know i would never buy a Sanyo TV. Are their projectors made well?

I've had a 25" Sanyo tv for 10 + years..no reapl problems other than the mono speaker is going out (to be expected since it was in a large room and was turned up pretty loud).
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post #45 of 2158
9/15/07 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by Randy Mathis View Post

I can't speak for LCOS but I will say that as long as DLP has rainbows and lacks lens shift I will buy LCD's.

I have been using my Sanyo Z2 since its release with the same bulb and no problems. The picture is fantastic. The only drawbacks are dustblobs and spotty HDCP on the DVI input. I have not had to deal with Sanyo on a customer service basis but I have heard that customer service is not their strong point.

FWIW -- I've read the Z5 has holes in the cabinet for blowing dust out from the area of the LCD panels (using a hand blower bulb.) I'm expecting the Z2000 to have the same thing.

Thanks UC7 -- I hope this sentence "This is a full 1080p projector that handles 1080p/60 as well as 1080p/24 according to the reps at the Sanyo booth." translates into displaying 24p, and not just accepting it as an input. The wording is suggestive, but not definitive. Still, it's the most I've seen so far on the projector.
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post #46 of 2158
9/18/07 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

I spoke with some of the Espon executives. They're not ready to give public MSRP yet (not officially) on the 1080 UB. Only "under $4K." They do not expect any problems keeping up the supply for the chips.

There are *NOT* two sets of specs for the D7 chips, nor two sets of chips. The Epson folks told me the 1080UB (with D7 chip set) can do 4,500:1 native contrast conservatively and yes, up to 50,000:1 with dynamic iris.

When the *final* specs are in on the PLV-Z2000 and PT-AE2000U I think we'll be seeing similar specs for native contrast ratio (same ballpark), although this will depend on the lamps used, lens characteristics and video processing.

Press releases are frequently based on best guess advance estimates and can be wrong. The PT-AE2000U for example has a dynamic contrast of 10,000:1 listed on the press sheet, and 16,000:1 on the plaquard that accompanied the projector on display at the CEDIA Expo.

Don't make up your mind based on advance specs only. Let's see what the production units can really do first.

BTW, I couldn't find Optoma out on the show floor and didn't see them listed as an exhibitor.

Now back to writing up the rest of the show coverage...

Later,

-Chris


Has the native CR of the Sanyo Z2000 been confirmed yet?
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post #47 of 2158
9/18/07 at 2:26pm
15,000:1 according to the press release.
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post #48 of 2158
9/18/07 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by scotty144 View Post

15,000:1 according to the press release.

I think that's dynamic not native. I'm interested how good these perform without the dynamic iris
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post #49 of 2158
9/19/07 at 3:58pm
well i just found this now ... some more info on the z2000... not the greatest vid. quality but .. you will get the picture ...



http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
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post #50 of 2158
9/19/07 at 5:02pm
about the last post---"not the greatest vid" refers presumably to the quality of the youtube video, not to the quality of the projector.

also, google just noted a well-known discount outfit quoting the projector around $2,500.

I am eagerly looking forward to the first reviews. hope it can do 3D, too...

/iaw
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post #51 of 2158
9/19/07 at 5:27pm
He mentions 25fps. I guess he means native 24fps @ 1080p?
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post #52 of 2158
9/19/07 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by boylan13 View Post

Yes, in this case, wrong-o. Sanyo makes killer front projectors. Not that there's anything wrong with the Epson you're looking at. It's just that the Z2000 (and the new Epson 1080UB) will be using the new D7 3LCD panels which offer better contrast and black reproduction than the HC1080 which is one generation earlier.

-CB

That is absolutely the answer i wanted to hear! Thanks
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post #53 of 2158
9/19/07 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by rsprance View Post

He mentions 25fps. I guess he means native 24fps @ 1080p?

My guess is he means 25fps -- which is 1/2 PAL and passes for near enough film rate in Europe.
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post #54 of 2158
9/20/07 at 1:19am
Hi,

For people trying to find info on this product, maybe Utopianemo could change the title into "Sanyo PLV-Z2000 instead of "Z200".

Hugo
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post #55 of 2158
9/20/07 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Hugo S View Post

Hi,

For people trying to find info on this product, maybe Utopianemo could change the title into "Sanyo PLV-Z2000 instead of "Z200".

Hugo

I AGREE - I found the thread by accident.
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post #56 of 2158
9/20/07 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Utopianemo View Post

Thanks for the typo correction; I only wish I could change the title.

I don't believe that he was able to change it, unfortunately.
See page 1.
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post #57 of 2158
9/20/07 at 9:55am
Wow. This projector can be preordered for $2500 from a very reputable dealer. If it's that price at release I wonder where the price will be in March or so.

Moe
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post #58 of 2158
9/20/07 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by rsprance View Post

Im new to projector shopping and was close to a HC1080 purchase. Now with this projector being a Sanyo, i know i would never buy a Sanyo TV. Are their projectors made well?

i have always associated Sanyo with cheaply made products. Am I wrong here?

FWIW, my Sanyo XW-15 projector bought in 2001 is still going strong after almost daily use in 5 different installations (apartments) for over 4000 hours on the original bulb. They've got a loyal customer here - my next projector will be a Sanyo (1080p unless my old one konks out before the Z2000 drops below $2000, an aribitrary limit, then it'll probably be a $1000 Z5 until the 3rd or 4th gen 'cheap' 1080p comes out).

Can't wait to see what 10,000+:1 contrast ratio and a bright new bulb looks like after my XW-15's (still perfectly watchable with GREAT looking HD) 300:1 and probably now 500lumens

cheers
Kurt
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post #59 of 2158
9/20/07 at 5:17pm
I've sent a PM to madpoet asking if he could correct the thread title to read Z2000 instead of Z200. Here's hoping !
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post #60 of 2158
9/21/07 at 3:38am
Thread Starter 
sorry about the mislabel. I was figuring we could just start a new thread, but if it can be corrected, great.
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