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post #3241 of 3557
It looks like we have a couple of new HD channels according to the Tivo message I just got.
In the Duluth, MN 55812 area the new channels we have are:

739 WE HD
854 IFC HD

Not the biggest news, but the more, the better. I don't care for WE TV, but I like a few shows on IFC. I don't subscribe to a package that has either channel, but it has allowed me to tune to the new channels so far. There are still a lot of channels I would like to have in HD, most of them sports channels.
post #3242 of 3557
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

I'm going to build a htpc. $2 for a cable card is much better.

BTW, here in Suffolk VA we get 90+ channels without a box. We'll never be all digital. We'll never have 100 HD channels.

That is what had been said about the Texas Charter systems as well leading to rumors that they were on the chopping block to be sold and now Charter is going 100% digital and touting a total of140 + HD channels coming soon on the radio (I don't live in a charter area so I don't get the Charter TV ads). So I have a feeling if your are does not have SDV now you will soon see something about 100% digital and over 100 HD channels like the Texas systems that are going 100% digital. Oh and you can kiss clear QAM goodbye when that happens too as charter is going to encrypt everything on the Fort Worth system except for maybe the VOD barker.
post #3243 of 3557
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Originally Posted by ibelievein93x View Post

It looks like we have a couple of new HD channels according to the Tivo message I just got.
In the Duluth, MN 55812 area the new channels we have are:

739 WE HD
854 IFC HD

Not the biggest news, but the more, the better. I don't care for WE TV, but I like a few shows on IFC. I don't subscribe to a package that has either channel, but it has allowed me to tune to the new channels so far. There are still a lot of channels I would like to have in HD, most of them sports channels.

It appears all markets who didn't previously have one of these channels received them recently.
post #3244 of 3557
So if I have a Windows 7 PC at each TV, what do I need to do to get rid of my 3 cable boxes? Do I just need an HD Homerun Prime and 1 cable card?
post #3245 of 3557
Yes, with Win7 Pro but you may have tuner conflicts if you have all three PC's tuned and a recording comes up. Under this scenario you will not be able to share copy protected content which is everything above expanded basic in my area. The second thing is you won't have a unified "whole home" PVR. The third thing is cost. An HTPC / extender model cuts your cost and provides a unified "whole home" PVR. Either way you'll need a wired ethernet network, preferably a gig network.
post #3246 of 3557
Sammy, thanks for the quick reply:

I have MOCA at each TV and it is quite fast and stable.

I already have a couple extra PCs so cost is not an issue besides buying the tuner (actually would be cheaper, rather than having to buy an extender/s.)

IRT conflicts, is there no popup notifying you of a conflict like on the Charter DVR's where I can choose to ignore and skip the recording or change to the channel of the recording so there is no conflict?

We have the whole home DVR setup through Charter now, but find ourselves always watching recordings on the same TV, so we are not overly concerned about keeping that functionality.

With a PC only setup would I have to go with a network solution like the Prime or would I be able to use an internal card in one PC (to be able to get 4+ tuners instead of only 3)?
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Under this scenario you will not be able to share copy protected content which is everything above expanded basic in my area.

This just means that I can't watch recordings from one pc on another right?
post #3247 of 3557
With extenders a pop up comes up allowing you to chose which to watch or record. With multiple PC's it will tell you that no tuner is available and you will need to go to the PC that is recording or on LiveTV and "stop" it so the tuner becomes available.

With copy protected content you can only watch it on the PC it was recorded on or a windows media center extender paired with that PC. Recordings that are of content not marked thus can be shared on any PC and with some fanagling can be made to show up in the RecordedTV library in WMC on each PC.

The quad tuner from ceton is not dynamic on your network. It has to have each tuner assigned to a PC and the PC it is in has to be always on. There's a 4 tuner Prime coming out in the Fall and a rumored 6 tuner from ceton too.
post #3248 of 3557
Just a bit of advice: If your package is about to expire- wait.

My package deal ended this month, which would usually mean that I'd have to pay very high prices to stay in the same package, or move into one of the new ones- Silver or Gold. However, a few days ago I received a letter from Charter stating that they were giving me $74 in credit for the next 12 months. This means I get Gold programming, minus 30 mbps (I have 15) and Epix for much less. I just saw my new bill and it is actually $74 off the top. I'm taking my dvr back and getting a HD receiver instead to further reduce my charges since I don't need it.
post #3249 of 3557
Are you saying you will be getting $888 (74 X 12) in credits for one year? or is it $74 for the whole year.
post #3250 of 3557
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Originally Posted by fubdap View Post

Are you saying you will be getting $888 (74 X 12) in credits for one year? or is it $74 for the whole year.

$74 for 12 months.
post #3251 of 3557
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We have the whole home DVR setup through Charter now, but find ourselves always watching recordings on the same TV, so we are not overly concerned about keeping that functionality.

When I re-negotiated my Charter service a week ago, they stated that the whole home DVR was not available .. would it be possible to post the model number DVR you have .. ?? thanks
post #3252 of 3557
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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post

Oh and you can kiss clear QAM goodbye when that happens too as charter is going to encrypt everything on the Fort Worth system except for maybe the VOD barker.

It's my understanding that they are shooting for an end of the year Nationwide encyryption ..
post #3253 of 3557
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We have the whole home DVR setup through Charter now, but find ourselves always watching recordings on the same TV, so we are not overly concerned about keeping that functionality.

When I re-negotiated my Charter service a week ago, they stated that the whole home DVR was not available .. would it be possible to post the model number DVR you have .. ?? thanks

Whole Home isn't available everywhere. We only have ice-age dvrs in Suffolk, at least that's what the menu & guide are like. Oh and we still have a bunch of analog channels too.
post #3254 of 3557
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Whole Home isn't available everywhere. We only have ice-age dvrs in Suffolk, at least that's what the menu & guide are like. Oh and we still have a bunch of analog channels too.

Yes, obviously .. I am trying to get the model number of the DVR Gronnie has in the whole house set up, I did not ask if the service was available everywhere .. I know it's not ..
post #3255 of 3557
A Whole Home DVR is an HTPC and Windows Media Center extenders for me.
post #3256 of 3557
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Originally Posted by Gronnie View Post




We have the whole home DVR setup through Charter now, but find ourselves always watching recordings on the same TV, so we are not overly concerned about keeping that functionality.

When I re-negotiated my Charter service a week ago, they stated that the whole home DVR was not available .. would it be possible to post the model number DVR you have .. ?? thanks

I think they actually don't offer whole home at all anywhere anymore. I believe you can only have it if you had it before they stopped offering it.

The main unit is a Motorola DCX3501-M and the extenders are DCX3200-M.
post #3257 of 3557
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

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Originally Posted by fubdap View Post

Are you saying you will be getting $888 (74 X 12) in credits for one year? or is it $74 for the whole year.

$74 for 12 months.

They only gave me $42/mo for 12 months. I would stick with them if I got $74. When I called they said they couldn't go any lower, but I might have to call again.
post #3258 of 3557
I have a whole home PVR for $2/month but also have about $300 in my own equipment. considering it is $20 per month just for the DVR service it is paid for already.
post #3259 of 3557
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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post

Oh and you can kiss clear QAM goodbye when that happens too as charter is going to encrypt everything on the Fort Worth system except for maybe the VOD barker.

Huh. I just got a wiki-education on QAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_(television)

It does make sense that the cable companies have no interest in allowing people to bypass their DVR business. I imagine that HTPC enthusiasts will go the way of shade tree mechanics. and build-your-own computer kits.
post #3260 of 3557
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

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Originally Posted by kevin120 View Post

Oh and you can kiss clear QAM goodbye when that happens too as charter is going to encrypt everything on the Fort Worth system except for maybe the VOD barker.

Huh. I just got a wiki-education on QAM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_(television)

It does make sense that the cable companies have no interest in allowing people to bypass their DVR business. I imagine that HTPC enthusiasts will go the way of shade tree mechanics. and build-your-own computer kits.

Why would that be? The FCC mandates that the CableCo's allow for CableCARD tuners. To do otherwise would violate that regulation. Of course the CableCos don't like this so they are looking into IPTV which is exempt from this regulation as it is not deemed "CableTV" although the result for the end user is exactly the same. The only reason that the CableCo's haven't done this yet is that they will need to re-design and re-build their system from the head end to the STB's and DVR's that they rent to their customers at crazy rates.
Edited by Sammy2 - 4/11/13 at 8:28am
post #3261 of 3557
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Why would that be? The FCC mandates that the CableCo's allow for CableCARD tuners. To do otherwise would violate that regulation. Of course the CableCos don't like this so they are looking into IPTV which is exempt from this regulation as it is not deemed "CableTV" although the result for the end user is exactly the same. The only reason that the CableCo's haven't done this yet is that they will need to re-design and re-build their system from the head end to the STB's and DVR's that they rent to their customers at crazy rates.

I stand corrected. I coincidentally had a service call from the cable guy, and we had a little chat about encryption. The tuner cards should continue to be able to decode any encryption done at the QAM level.

BTW, the service call was because IFCHD channel is missing in Wisconsin. Predictably, it was just a snafu at charter, their website where you lookup the available channels in your area is screwy. Probably IFCHD will be rolled out in coming year. (IFC is no great shakes anymore anyhoo)
post #3262 of 3557
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

I stand corrected. I coincidentally had a service call from the cable guy, and we had a little chat about encryption. The tuner cards should continue to be able to decode any encryption done at the QAM level.

The whole point of cablecards is to decrypt encrypted channels. So if Charter encrypts basic cable, it would make zero difference to cablecard users since it knows how to decrypt channels you are subscribed to.
post #3263 of 3557
There are set ups with both a CableCARD tuner and a QAM tuner for the channels not marked copy once.

These set ups will be affected by this move; no doubt about it.
post #3264 of 3557
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Originally Posted by rrainwater View Post

The whole point of cablecards is to decrypt encrypted channels. So if Charter encrypts basic cable, it would make zero difference to cablecard users since it knows how to decrypt channels you are subscribed to.

How does you cablecard know what channels you are subscribed to? I realize the cablecard is registered with Charter, so perhaps the cablecard is communicating with the mother ship.
post #3265 of 3557
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Originally Posted by Richard Burger View Post

How does you cablecard know what channels you are subscribed to? I realize the cablecard is registered with Charter, so perhaps the cablecard is communicating with the mother ship.

Cablecards work with one way communication so they get the channels you have access to from the cable headend.
post #3266 of 3557
BTW, I have never bought a retail computer other than a laptop, on which I proceed to wipe clean of bloatware from the get go. I always build them. As a matter of fact there were no retail computers when I started building them. I'm not about to start now. DIY computers will not go by the wayside. There are still plenty of people that do it and intel / AMD are still developing for that market to this day.
post #3267 of 3557
I went ahead and cancelled everything except for internet, and much to my pleasant surprise it looks like I am still receiving the clear qam digital channels.

What card do I need to be able to record these channels on my Windows 7 Pro HTPC? Any links to a good card (preferably 2+ tuners if possible so can watch a channel and record another at the same time although not a dealbreaker one would be ok, and preferably Amazon as I have a couple hundred bucks in gift cards there.)

Thanks in advance!
post #3268 of 3557
I still think you'd be best suited to use a CableCARD tuner such as the HDHR Prime or InfiniTV4 so that when Charter encrypts all the channels, which the FCC has allowed them to do as early as January 2013, you won't have to just toss your tuner and get a CableCARD tuner as you will already have one.
post #3269 of 3557
So you mean just get a cable card tuner and not use a cable card for now?

Will that work? I don't think I can get a cable card since I don't subscribe to any tv anymore.
post #3270 of 3557
It was announced back in January, but any idea when we're supposed to be getting Showtime Anytime?
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