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post #31 of 234
Jon Spackman: Thanks for posting the picks!! Stuff looks cool, some people need to take a chill pill on the "Where is my Audio format" Hardware hasn't caught up to the software and the software hasn't caught up the the hardware... LOL

BaronVH: Is your Pioneer Receiver a pass through on 1080p or does it upconvert? I have the 84 and was thinking of upgrading down the road...
post #32 of 234
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Originally Posted by zaRgbE View Post

You want me to be positive about player after player being introduced with no internal MA decoding. Sorry, but my name isn't Polyanna. What is wrong with those of us that have good receivers (Denon 4806ci) wanting and expecting a BD player with internal MA decoding?

For some reason, Fox seems to want us to hear the MA track since they are providing it on their movies. And for some reason BD player manufacturers don't want us to hear it without going out and buying a new AV processor with MA decoding capability. That does not make me happy. I assume you have a receiver with 1.3 MA decoding capability, so this isn't an issue for you.

You're responce is very justifiable. I own a 55txi receiever and am ticked none of the players from day one have had i link, as like the rest of you all my receiver is fully capable or processing any high bit rate lpcm digitally. Pioneer left us out in the cold and the Elite brand is usually the tip of the spear as far as cutting edge players go. This has not been the case with bluray at all. They have the rumoured LX-90 player which I firmly believe
will come out with i link, but at what price I do not know. It is a match for their new $7,000 receiver that is at cedia as we speak.
post #33 of 234
Pro-630HD: I believe that the new 94 does not have the i-link as well, I am currently using the 84 and have held off selling this unit... You are right, this isn't a Blu-Ray issue it is a hardware issue with Pioneer at this point.
post #34 of 234
I think the i link is fantastic and with sacd, dvd audio it clears up a lot of the multichannel DAC-ADC issues. LPCM or DSD are far better sent digitally and you don't have the base mgmt, DSP issues, etc. If I owned the 84txi I would not get rid of it either. It is a beautiful recelver. The 94HD is supposed to get a DTS-HD HRA decoding in a firmware upgrade and the 95 should come with it so you are covered there. I think the Fox, MGM, Lionsgate titles the DTS-HD MA will downrez to HRA. I could be wrong, but that is better than DTS core.
post #35 of 234
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Originally Posted by zaRgbE View Post

You want me to be positive about player after player being introduced with no internal MA decoding. Sorry, but my name isn't Polyanna. What is wrong with those of us that have good receivers (Denon 4806ci) wanting and expecting a BD player with internal MA decoding?

For some reason, Fox seems to want us to hear the MA track since they are providing it on their movies. And for some reason BD player manufacturers don't want us to hear it without going out and buying a new AV processor with MA decoding capability. That does not make me happy. I assume you have a receiver with 1.3 MA decoding capability, so this isn't an issue for you.

Then why not get mad at Fox for supporting a dead audio format? Obviously DTS gave some moneyhats to Fox to exclusively us MA. Fox could EASILY put PCM soundtracks on their movies.

I find all these 'advanced audio codec's a bit ridiculous when all the studios could use simple PCM which can be played by ALL players. None of these formats sound any better than PCM, yet these companies expect us to throw out our current players/receivers just to get the same result as PCM.....
post #36 of 234
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Originally Posted by mcgarnagle View Post

Then why not get mad at Fox for supporting a dead audio format? Obviously DTS gave some moneyhats to Fox to exclusively us MA. Fox could EASILY put PCM soundtracks on their movies.

I find all these 'advanced audio codec's a bit ridiculous when all the studios could use simple PCM which can be played by ALL players. None of these formats sound any better than PCM, yet these companies expect us to throw out our current players/receivers just to get the same result as PCM.....

I'm not happy with Fox for using MA. But they did. And there should be a player capable of internally decoding it. Or Fox should stop using it and MA should be declared dead. But that won't happen.
post #37 of 234
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I think if you have purchased their first two Blu ray players (last one when it first hit just a few months ago) you have every right to be upset... Fool me once... Foll me twice... Fool me, where there won't be a third time I just will grab the Denon!

I agree with you, so that is why when the 94HD came out, I kept my HD1 and will continue to wait until a gen 3 Elite comes out with profile 2.0, internal DTS-HD MA decoding and all of the other bells and whistles, until then the HD1 is plenty enough of a BD player for me!
post #38 of 234
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Originally Posted by zaRgbE View Post

I'm not happy with Fox for using MA. But they did. And there should be a player capable of internally decoding it. Or Fox should stop using it and MA should be declared dead. But that won't happen.

Supposedly the reason for no DTS-HD MA internal decoding is the processors that are in BD players or even HD-DVD players, they can not handle the power behind MA...but that should be chaning soon, especially with the annoucement of the Denon players with the new powerful processor.
post #39 of 234
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Originally Posted by Jet-X View Post

Why is it so damned hard for any of these BD players to include SACD and DVD-A playback?

The proper Pioneer flagship player known as the BDP-LX90 in Europe is meant to be able to do this. But you will need to wait 6 moths and save up an extra $2000 or more.
post #40 of 234
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

Very cool Jon, the magic question is BD 1.1?

Nope.

http://www.emedialive.com/articles/r...leid=11397#iij
post #41 of 234
Garman, sorry for responding so late. I have an 82 and the 92 is "in the mail." I am not impressed with the video conversion on the 82, and will likely not even try to use the feature on my 92 (my dvd player upconverts and I may just send the signal straight from the player to the TV once I change out receivers). The sound is fantastic, however.
post #42 of 234
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Originally Posted by signal2noise View Post

Nope.

http://www.emedialive.com/articles/r...leid=11397#iij

Great link, thank you very much. No 95FD for me. Next!!!!
post #43 of 234
I find it strange that a announced player has it profile the 95FD. But there is still no listing for a player being sold the p1400. So I would think there is still hope that this player might support 1.1.
post #44 of 234
If it does, I will get my first Blu-ray player (crosses fingers).
post #45 of 234
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Originally Posted by Jet-X View Post

Why is it so damned hard for any of these BD players to include SACD and DVD-A playback?

Because there are no chipsets that do it yet.
post #46 of 234
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Tommorow Pioneer will debut its new 95FD blu-ray player at Cedia. It will have similiar features to the 94hd except the biggest upgrade is the HDMI 1.3 output that reportedly will output Bitsream audio for DD, DTS-MA etc. There may be other improvements over the 94, not sure yet.

Price will be $999.

More info and pics hopefully tommorow.

PS they are also launching a new elite 58avi dvd player for around $500 that is claimed to have an amazing upconversion (couldn't get an answer as to who is responsible for the processing yet).

this is the one to get for sure, thanks Jon

-Gary
post #47 of 234
I don't know, you may want to see if they are releasing the 96HD in December before getting it... I mean, this is their third unit in 10 months!
post #48 of 234
Yeah, but Joe don't you switch players every month anyway?
post #49 of 234
Oh yeah, and if the Denon is not being released this year then I guess I will just have to get this damn 95HD! Do you think Pioneer will give me a discount since I will now own all 3 players!?
post #50 of 234
They definitely should. I can't recall anything having three replacement prodcuts in one year. I have been trying to snag a 94HD locally for awhile now and have had no luck. Which looks like is a good thing now. I'd like to know if the 2400 will bitstream the HD audio formats like the Pioneer. If so I'll go that route though as much as I like the Pioneer I have a feeling the 2400 will be the better buy. $400 Cheaper AND with the Reon processing? Sounds good to me.
post #51 of 234
Oh and like you I have an Onkyo and just once I'd like to see Dolby TrueHD light up. Others may not understand the necessity in that, but I'm sick of seeing multichannel light up and not REALLY know what I'm listening to.
post #52 of 234
I only see Multichannel for a second because I put it in Ultra2 Cinema mode. I actually have the Samsung 1400 hooked up and it is every but as good as the 94HD in terms of picture Q. I would expect the 2400 to be even better with the HQV. I am just a little concerned over some of the features I read about in the samsung PDF that the 1400 does not have. Still I never planned to keep the 1400 as a full time starter in my theater but I am a bit worried how the 2400 will come. Will it be as advertised or will they leave some out and then say maybe they will add it in a firmware? I don't mind paying the extra for the Pioneer (obviously) if it will come with everything ready to go.
post #53 of 234
I agree. I couldn't care less about PIP or any of the other 1.1 stuff. I just want a Great HD picture and Bitstream HD audio. Ok, I wouldn't mind fast load times as well. Is it too much to ask for load times to match SD dvd?

Once I have those features I'll be content for awhile.
post #54 of 234
I almost pulled the trigger on the 1400 yesterday, but they only had the display model at BB and they wouldn't sell it to me. Go figure. They have an item and won't sell it? Makes sense to me.
post #55 of 234
So do they have a release date in stone?
post #56 of 234
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post

I find it strange that a announced player has it profile the 95FD. But there is still no listing for a player being sold the p1400. So I would think there is still hope that this player might support 1.1.

Not going to support 1.1 now or later. Does not have the hardware. It will output bitstream high res audio, but thats about the only advantage I see over the previous models.

Also, I turned off one of the units, pressed open, it took 59 seconds to spit the tray out what happened, I thought these would be faster than older models.

Chris? Did I miss something? Were the units surrounding your booth prototypes that are not representative of the production unit?
post #57 of 234
I think the BIG sale is HBR audio to the receiver... That and HDMI 1.3...
post #58 of 234
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Originally Posted by PRO-630HD View Post

I think the i link is fantastic and with sacd, dvd audio it clears up a lot of the multichannel DAC-ADC issues. LPCM or DSD are far better sent digitally and you don't have the base mgmt, DSP issues, etc. If I owned the 84txi I would not get rid of it either. It is a beautiful recelver. The 94HD is supposed to get a DTS-HD HRA decoding in a firmware upgrade and the 95 should come with it so you are covered there. I think the Fox, MGM, Lionsgate titles the DTS-HD MA will downrez to HRA. I could be wrong, but that is better than DTS core.


DTS-HD-MA will not down rez to DTS-HD on a capable dts-hd player it will still only give you the core data stream
post #59 of 234
The way the disks are authored the decoding has to be done inside the player anyway correct? Even if it is a 1.3 with bitstream output the disk will not allow the player to send the raw to the receiver.
If this is the case, which i think it is then any player that does not have onboard decoding is a waste of time.
post #60 of 234
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Originally Posted by Carman24 View Post

DTS-HD-MA will not down rez to DTS-HD on a capable dts-hd player it will still only give you the core data stream

We should keep the nomenclature accurate. This is where a lot of confusion comes from.

DTS HD is meaningless to me and should never be used as far as I'm concerned. It should be DTS HD MA or DTS HD HR, or DTS MA or DTS HR.

And yes, you are correct. DTS HD MA does not contain the extensions for DTS HD HR, so HR cannot be extracted from MA, only the DTS core can be extracted from MA.
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