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post #481 of 724
9/30/08 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by awre View Post

Thanks EWL5, this code worked perfectly. Just turn on DVD, hit 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 and then "display" and the information comes up on the screen. My version is 1.103 and I believe this is the latest upgrade.

Does anyone have an earlier one? That is - has there even been an update since it's been released?
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post #482 of 724
9/30/08 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by awre View Post

Thanks EWL5, this code worked perfectly. Just turn on DVD, hit 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 and then "display" and the information comes up on the screen. My version is 1.103 and I believe this is the latest upgrade.

Any time! The sooner people recognize that the Marantz and Denon machines are long lost brothers, the sooner helpful advice will be taken at face value.

Anyone out there have the Queen BD and is outputting PCM via HDMI to their AVR? Do you get "PCM" or "PCM 96kHz"?
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post #483 of 724
9/30/08 at 7:30am
I haven't seen any reports here but have any of you Marantz owners experienced the dreaded blue laser failure? There are enough reports from the Denon thread that makes me think it's more like an epidemic than isolated incidences.
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post #484 of 724
9/30/08 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If it's grayed out, that typically means your display doesn't support it and that's why you can't change it. You can test this by connecting a composite cable to the same display (while disconnecting the HDMI) and seeing if you get the same result.

Did you try changing IRE to 0? It is on 7.5 by default and many have changed it to 0 as a first (and sometimes only) adjustment.

yeah thats the only thing i did. was change the IRE to 0

Might try this later
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post #485 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by awre View Post

Thanks EWL5, this code worked perfectly. Just turn on DVD, hit 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 and then "display" and the information comes up on the screen. My version is 1.103 and I believe this is the latest upgrade.


I just went in and tried this , I turned on the BD-8002 only , for the display on the machine its self. Turned on dvd player power on hit I pushed1,2,3,4 then pushed display , the power on light flashed red then green ,back & forth , my display came up all the lights were lit with info around the sides , the middle was just blocks of light , but no numbers, tried a few times. the only way to stop it was to hit power off , I hope I did'nt screw my player up , god what was I thinking,

did you have to push any other buttons?

did you have to have your recv. ON ?

did you have to have a bluray disc in the player

how did you get back out of it? did you just turn it off by remote?

please lmk to any of the above. thanks so much.

could'nt try a movie have to go to work..

will check back tonight after work..
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post #486 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Any time! The sooner people recognize that the Marantz and Denon machines are long lost brothers, the sooner helpful advice will be taken at face value.

Anyone out there have the Queen BD and is outputting PCM via HDMI to their AVR? Do you get "PCM" or "PCM 96kHz"?

I dont have the disc , but how do you get the diplay info on what khz is playing . Like the 96 khz . what do i check?
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post #487 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by sandman6662 View Post

I just went in and tried this , I turned on the BD-8002 only , for the display on the machine its self. Turned on dvd player power on hit I pushed1,2,3,4 then pushed display , the power on light flashed red then green ,back & forth , my display came up all the lights were lit with info around the sides , the middle was just blocks of light , but no numbers, tried a few times. the only way to stop it was to hit power off , I hope I did'nt screw my player up , god what was I thinking,

did you have to push any other buttons?

did you have to have your recv. ON ?

did you have to have a bluray disc in the player

how did you get back out of it? did you just turn it off by remote?

please lmk to any of the above. thanks so much.

could'nt try a movie have to go to work..

will check back tonight after work..

The firmware info can only be seen on your TV/display so looks like your receiver and TV had to be on too. The only way to get out of the screen is to power down. That flashing red and green is normal when reviewing firmware. Just don't hit STOP? during the screen or you will reflash to defaults.
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post #488 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by sandman6662 View Post

I dont have the disc , but how do you get the diplay info on what khz is playing . Like the 96 khz . what do i check?

If you are outputting PCM via HDMI, typically your AVR will display either "PCM" or "PCM 48kHz". If you play the Queen BD and it does not show "PCM 96kHz" on the receiver, then this is proof that the player is not decoding DTS-HD HR (I get "PCM 96kHz" from my PS3). Unfortunately, the Queen BD is the only BD disc I know of that is recorded DTS-HD HR 24/96kHz.
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post #489 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If you are outputting PCM via HDMI, typically your AVR will display either "PCM" or "PCM 48kHz". If you play the Queen BD and it does not show "PCM 96kHz" on the receiver, then this is proof that the player is not decoding DTS-HD HR (I get "PCM 96kHz" from my PS3). Unfortunately, the Queen BD is the only BD disc I know of that is recorded DTS-HD HR 24/96kHz.

Don't you mean "fortunately" if this is the case so that other discs aren't limited the same way? I guess it would stink if that's your favorite disc though.
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post #490 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

The firmware info can only be seen on your TV/display so looks like your receiver and TV had to be on too. The only way to get out of the screen is to power down. That flashing red and green is normal when reviewing firmware. Just don't hit STOP? during the screen or you will reflash to defaults.

Hey man thanks for the info , I just got off the phone with a tech from Marantz , And the same as you said , I had to turn on the TV & RECV, DUHHH.. I was looking on the bluray display for the info LOL

Mine is Version 1.103 also . I also asked the tech this is the lastest and most up to date version , actually he more or less said only version .. AND I QUOTE if any other frimware come , you will have to send the unit IN, for an update , they will not send a disc or over the internet,, Due to Liablity. That
sucks...


( bad thing) I did try to hit stop when I was trying the above , So does this mean I have to go in and rest all my setting again ? LMK on this , I think I also hit the stop when I had the TV on too ,, Man what a pain.. I will have to go back and check it all this week end , BUTTT,, ( by pushing stop I did'tn hurt nothing did I ?) like have to send it in to make it work right? lmk ASAP on this it will drive me crazy all day thinking i F*&^K it up..thanks so much for your he;p

Also he told me that my Deep color being grayed out is okay so its not on . I have to have a Tv to support it , which I dont

and the PIC adjustments sould be done on the TV 1st calibrate , Or try running it in 720P instead of 1080I , I will try this this weekend..
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post #491 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by sandman6662 View Post

Hey man thanks for the info , I just got off the phone with a tech from Marantz , And the same as you said , I had to turn on the TV & RECV, DUHHH.. I was looking on the bluray display for the info LOL

Mine is Version 1.103 also . I also asked the tech this is the lastest and most up to date version , actually he more or less said only version .. AND I QUOTE if any other frimware come , you will have to send the unit IN, for an update , they will not send a disc or over the internet,, Due to Liablity. That
sucks...


( bad thing) I did try to hit stop when I was trying the above , So does this mean I have to go in and rest all my setting again ? LMK on this , I think I also hit the stop when I had the TV on too ,, Man what a pain.. I will have to go back and check it all this week end , BUTTT,, ( by pushing stop I did'tn hurt nothing did I ?) like have to send it in to make it work right? lmk ASAP on this it will drive me crazy all day thinking i F*&^K it up..thanks so much for your he;p

Also he told me that my Deep color being grayed out is okay so its not on . I have to have a Tv to support it , which I dont

and the PIC adjustments sould be done on the TV 1st calibrate , Or try running it in 720P instead of 1080I , I will try this this weekend..

Hitting STOP would simply reset your machine to the defaults. No harm done. Just remember to reset IRE to 0. You'll need to check every setting to make sure it's back to the way you want it.

Stinks that Marantz takes the customer out of the update equation. I guess that's why Denon is more for the mass market and Marantz caters to boutique dealers. You do have that 3 yr warranty, though.
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post #492 of 724
9/30/08 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Hitting STOP would simply reset your machine to the defaults. No harm done. Just remember to reset IRE to 0. You'll need to check every setting to make sure it's back to the way you want it.

Thanks so much for the reply .. I was hoping that , i will check later . thanks for all your help and advice , I have to go to work check back tonight when I get home on anymore updates,, have a good one, sandman..
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post #493 of 724
9/30/08 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If you are outputting PCM via HDMI, typically your AVR will display either "PCM" or "PCM 48kHz". If you play the Queen BD and it does not show "PCM 96kHz" on the receiver, then this is proof that the player is not decoding DTS-HD HR (I get "PCM 96kHz" from my PS3). Unfortunately, the Queen BD is the only BD disc I know of that is recorded DTS-HD HR 24/96kHz.


Cannot verify this but when I had talked to Marantz about latest updates it was my understanding that the 1.103 update was, in fact, to decode DTS -HD HR. Not always sure tech supports knows what they are talking about but this is what I was told at the time.
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post #494 of 724
9/30/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by awre View Post

Cannot verify this but when I had talked to Marantz about latest updates it was my understanding that the 1.103 update was, in fact, to decode DTS -HD HR. Not always sure tech supports knows what they are talking about but this is what I was told at the time.

This would be interesting if true. As of the latest posted Denon firmware 1.104 (Aug 1), DTS-HD HR decoding was not added nor described in the firmware text.

Denon users are reporting a newer firmware 1.107 when coming back from Denon servicing or buying new. This firmware has not been posted.

DTS-HD HR decoding would be an awesome addition if true as I've always felt a $2k player should decode all and retain all bragging rights.
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post #495 of 724
9/30/08 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by dave7 View Post

Don't you mean "fortunately" if this is the case so that other discs aren't limited the same way? I guess it would stink if that's your favorite disc though.

Queen is the only 24/96kHz DTS-HD HR but there are plenty of DTS-HD HR discs out there. Here's a small list of the popular ones:

American Psycho: Uncut Version
Basic Instinct
The Devil's Rejects: Unrated
District B13
Employee of the Month
First Blood
House of 1000 Corpses
Reservoir Dogs
Saw II: Unrated Edition
Saw III: Unrated Edition
Stargate: Extended Cut
Stir of Echoes
Total Recall
Weeds: Season One - 10 episodes
Young Guns
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post #496 of 724
10/1/08 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

Queen is the only 24/96kHz DTS-HD HR but there are plenty of DTS-HD HR discs out there. Here's a small list of the popular ones:

American Psycho: Uncut Version
Basic Instinct
The Devil's Rejects: Unrated
District B13
Employee of the Month
First Blood
House of 1000 Corpses
Reservoir Dogs
Saw II: Unrated Edition
Saw III: Unrated Edition
Stargate: Extended Cut
Stir of Echoes
Total Recall
Weeds: Season One - 10 episodes
Young Guns


I have a few of these . i will see what I can find out this weekend..sandman
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post #497 of 724
10/1/08 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by sandman6662 View Post

I have a few of these . i will see what I can find out this weekend..sandman

The only problem is that if you have the player decode these "other" discs, you will simply get "PCM" or "PCM 48kHz" on your AVR. You can't tell if it's DTS-HD HR or the "core" track coming through. At least with the Queen BD, if your AVR shows "PCM 96kHz", then you know it's decoding DTS-HD HR and not the "core."
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post #498 of 724
10/4/08 at 5:10am
Hi everyone , i was going to pick up the pioneer 09 in december but decided to purchase the Marantz BD8002. Has anyone noticed an improvement on watching bluray movies using this unit? Im currently using a PS3 for bluray watching.

Thanx Chris
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post #499 of 724
10/4/08 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

Hi everyone , i was going to pick up the pioneer 09 in december but decided to purchase the Marantz BD8002. Has anyone noticed an improvement on watching bluray movies using this unit? Im currently using a PS3 for bluray watching.

Thanx Chris

In my opinion, you don't get as great an upgrade going from the PS3 to the 8002 for BD as you would with DVD. Don't expect huge leaps when going from 1080p/24 from one machine to 1080p/24 from another machine. However, I will add that the Enhancer and Noise Reduction works extremely well, even on BD. I believe this is one area where the Realta has the edge over the Reon (HD processing). Of course if you are a video purist, then you never touch Enhancer and NR anyway.
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post #500 of 724
10/4/08 at 6:52am
Has anyone compared the CD audio on these to the Denon 5910?

My dealer is trying hard to sell me one--I own a 5910 and would like to step up to bluray, but I want at least as good music audio as the Denon.

Only thing, I would lose SACD, but that format is dying anyway. And my Arcam pre pro doesn't have two sets of multichannel inputs.

Also, will the BD 8002 play multichannel DTS music like Diana Krall "Love Scenes?"--(Now that I think about it, I'm sure it would, since it's the same DTS as movies, no?)

Thanks in advance fo any input.
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post #501 of 724
10/4/08 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

In my opinion, you don't get as great an upgrade going from the PS3 to the 8002 for BD as you would with DVD. Don't expect huge leaps when going from 1080p/24 from one machine to 1080p/24 from another machine. However, I will add that the Enhancer and Noise Reduction works extremely well, even on BD. I believe this is one area where the Realta has the edge over the Reon (HD processing). Of course if you are a video purist, then you never touch Enhancer and NR anyway.

Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately my display takes in only 1080i through hdmi and the TV processes it to 1080p 60 . So i was thinking that the Marantz with the Realta would do it better than the PS3. I used to own a Denon 3930ci and DVD upconverted looked amazing on my set. I sold it when i heard that a bluray player was coming out with a realta chip as well.
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post #502 of 724
10/4/08 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Has anyone compared the CD audio on these to the Denon 5910?

My dealer is trying hard to sell me one--I own a 5910 and would like to step up to bluray, but I want at least as good music audio as the Denon.

Only thing, I would lose SACD, but that format is dying anyway. And my Arcam pre pro doesn't have two sets of multichannel inputs.

Also, will the BD 8002 play multichannel DTS music like Diana Krall "Love Scenes?"--(Now that I think about it, I'm sure it would, since it's the same DTS as movies, no?)

Thanks in advance fo any input.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Unfortunately my display takes in only 1080i through hdmi and the TV processes it to 1080p 60 . So i was thinking that the Marantz with the Realta would do it better than the PS3. I used to own a Denon 3930ci and DVD upconverted looked amazing on my set. I sold it when i heard that a bluray player was coming out with a realta chip as well.

I'm surprised both you guys aren't considering the Denon 3800 first since you are experienced with Denon DVD players. Both Marantz and Denon players are fine products but only the Denon has AL24 processing. I'm not sure what Marantz uses for their CD playback.

All DTS music discs are playable since there are DTS decoders on board. Forget SACD and DVD-A. The future is BD audio. I haven't heard how CD's sound on the Marantz but they sound fantastic on the Denon.
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post #503 of 724
10/4/08 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

I'm surprised both you guys aren't considering the Denon 3800 first since you are experienced with Denon DVD players. Both Marantz and Denon players are fine products but only the Denon has AL24 processing. I'm not sure what Marantz uses for their CD playback.

All DTS music discs are playable since there are DTS decoders on board. Forget SACD and DVD-A. The future is BD audio. I haven't heard how CD's sound on the Marantz but they sound fantastic on the Denon.


I have a Marantz AV8003 and like the build quality of it. Ive always read and heard that Marantz was one step up above Denon even though they are from the same sister company. I did look at the 3800 which is pretty much the same thing but i can get a marantz for the same price. Doesnt the Marantz have something similair to the AL24 of the Denon?
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post #504 of 724
10/4/08 at 12:35pm
My dealer swears up down and sideways that the Marantz and the Denon are NOT the same, that if you look under the hood they are different, and that Marantz always sounds better at the same price level..

There are a couple of posts on this or the Denon thread that state the shielding and power supplies are different.

I don't really care, I just want the best unit, and I will probably audition both when the time comes.

I also want to wait and see about the 5910 replacement that does BR in addition to all other (major) formats.
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post #505 of 724
10/4/08 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

I have a Marantz AV8003 and like the build quality of it. Ive always read and heard that Marantz was one step up above Denon even though they are from the same sister company. I did look at the 3800 which is pretty much the same thing but i can get a marantz for the same price. Doesnt the Marantz have something similair to the AL24 of the Denon?

The owners of this player can tell you more. Aside from CD playback, the Denon and Marantz are similar enough where I've been able to give very detailed help even though I am a Denon 3800 owner.
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post #506 of 724
10/4/08 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

My dealer swears up down and sideways that the Marantz and the Denon are NOT the same, that if you look under the hood they are different, and that Marantz always sounds better at the same price level..

If I was a boutique dealer working on commission in this "hard to make a buck" failing economy, I'd say the same thing too concerning the discounted Denon. He's afraid you'll run off and buy the heavily discounted Denon from an authorized retailer. Probably no such luck with boutique dealers and their fixed price mentality.

If you haven't already done so, download both manuals, compare, and tell me where you see a difference aside from external appearance and AL24.

You do get a 3 yr warranty with Marantz (vs 1 yr with Denon) but from what I understand, Marantz doesn't allow you to update firmware yourself.
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post #507 of 724
10/4/08 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by EWL5 View Post

If I was a boutique dealer working on commission in this "hard to make a buck" failing economy, I'd say the same thing too concerning the discounted Denon. He's afraid you'll run off and buy the heavily discounted Denon from an authorized retailer. Probably no such luck with boutique dealers and their fixed price mentality.

If you haven't already done so, download both manuals, compare, and tell me where you see a difference aside from external appearance and AL24.

You do get a 3 yr warranty with Marantz (vs 1 yr with Denon) but from what I understand, Marantz doesn't allow you to update firmware yourself.

Well, this guy has always treated me VERY well. He allows me to trade in whatever I buy from him within 1 year for whatever I paid--as long as it is in good condition, and whatever I purchase is worth double the price of the original item. I have taken advantage of this on two items.

Furthermore he encourages me to listen for myself, and loans me whatever I want to audition--as does my Denon dealer.

You can be sure I will listen to whatever units I am interested in before Ibuy, and side by side at that. I am still leaning toward the upcoming Denon universal/BR player at this point, because I don't have two multi-channel inputs.

I would be interested in seeing both units side by side with their covers off, though I wouldn't do that with pieces that were on loan for demo.

Anyways, thanks all for your input--and any more thoughts are always wecome.
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post #508 of 724
10/5/08 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by moonhawk View Post

Has anyone compared the CD audio on these to the Denon 5910?

My dealer is trying hard to sell me one--I own a 5910 and would like to step up to bluray, but I want at least as good music audio as the Denon.

Only thing, I would lose SACD, but that format is dying anyway. And my Arcam pre pro doesn't have two sets of multichannel inputs.

Also, will the BD 8002 play multichannel DTS music like Diana Krall "Love Scenes?"--(Now that I think about it, I'm sure it would, since it's the same DTS as movies, no?)

Thanks in advance fo any input.


Hi I have the new Marantz BD-8002 & from me I really think this player shines on music playback from CD's ,I love the sound and I had the Marnatz CD-5001 and it was a good cd player but I traded it in , and now I'm using the 8002 for Music , blu-ray & reg. DVD's , Its a picky machine , you have to play around with it to get it were it has to be for movies , but tonight I watched Iron Man on Blu-ray It was awesome. I was very impressed amd the sound Quality in Dolby True HD was really good . i prefer DTS-HD MA my self but hey , I also only have a max of 1080I TV so i went back and set it up for 720P and it's alot better pic . as for the audio setion in the Marantz , All I can say is Iknow they have always been a step up from some, I had the CD-67SE and that player was one of the best CD players I'ver heard, Myslef I prefer Marantz over Denon. But thats me , I feel now I have a refference player both Blu-ray & CD (music) , Yeah I still want the Marantz SA-8001 LOL, hope this helps . sandman
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post #509 of 724
10/8/08 at 4:00am
So far this has been a very impressive player for a lot of reasons, one of which is, unlike every other Sony, Samsung, etc player I have used, its ability to play/load andy disc I have thrown at it without a hitch or glitch or software update (not that Marantz has a current update) at least until now.

A couple of weeks ago I tried 88 Minutes and it kept skipping through the opening scenes and then played the rest of the movie okay. I tried reloading the disc, rebooting the player, cleaning the disc, etc But it would always skip at teh exact same timecode.

And yesterday I had a similar situation with You Don't Mess With The Zohan. Only this time it didn't happen until 33 minutes into the movie.

Anyone else see similar issues with these or other titles?
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post #510 of 724
10/9/08 at 7:47am
While I have not played 88 Minutes yes or Zohan (and probably won't) I have had no similar problems. I have version 1.103 and to date have had no problems whatsoever. My system uses HDMI for video to my Marantz SR9600 and analogs for the audio (could not get 7:1 PCM via HDMI, only could get 5:1so use 7:1 analogs for the audio).

To date I am very pleased in all regards--sound and picture quality are great.
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