Originally Posted by Curt Palme
Cinemascope, frankly based on your above posts, you really lowered my opinion of you. I'm usually pretty neutral around here, and while I see where you're coming from, it's obvious that you've been influenced by hype surrounding some of the equipment on the market without doing research if what's being hyped actually DOES anything.
My opinion suddenly doesn't hold merit in your eyes because I objected to the very broad generalization of an entire product category based on your opening a single example of an obviously damaged, 10 year old, $249 product??
That seems reasonable.
Curt, I DO have respect for your opinion. As an example, you are one of the few people who I trust as an accurate source of information on CRT....
I just happen to disagree with you on this topic... and fairly strongly disagree at that.
No fire, and no flames from me... Since I am long-winded, I throw CAPS in so the point I may have been hinting toward won't be lost in the ether, not because I am electronically shouting at you or anything.
3) You then go on to say that the low end units are nothing more than a fancy power outlet with wire nuts and a switch. It's already been shown that this Panamax offers slightly more than that above. If indeed you say that the Panamax has no 'conditioning' in it as per your own standards, then the 'conditioning' label on the front of the unit should be taken off.
This is slightly mis-quoted... and the way my post reads may have something to do with that... Sorry.
I just mentioned Furman, and then went on to discuss the Furman's lower priced rack units in the next paragraph, but in re-reading I can see how it may have been interpreted as a comment on the original product (the Max-1000+).
I was saying that the FURMAN units below $300, which were the only real competitive products to that Panamax when it was introduced, were all wire nuts and simple breakers back then...
Again, I apologize for this. Re-reading, I can see how you thought that I was again referring to the Max-1000+.
4) As to your 'superior' Richard Gray unit, look at the above comments from people that have been using their units with no UL approval, never mind the stellar customer service they get from RGPC.
I am not as familiar with RGPC as I am with Panamax, SurgeX and Equi-Tech.... I am reading more material on the RGPC as I may be in a position where I will have to work with them more closely.
5) THe reason I put this thread up is that the $250 'power bar' was installed in a system that cost the customer about $50K total. It's a nice basic room that has served the customer well since the installation. As stated above, the Panamax failed years ago, and the equipment is all running fine without it (as it should, in a home with clean incoming power using well made equipment)
IMO, you can't count on a clean power signal, and a designer HAS to provide adequate protection... There are too many factors playing against you including storms, auto accidents knocking over utility poles or damaging utility pedestals, cars and/or wind gusts knocking trees into wires and transformers...
Then there are the grid issues during the peak usage in the Summertime months....
I will never put in a system w/out decent surge protection, period.
I HAVE taken out plenty of Panamax units that have taken the hit and left the equipment in perfect shape.
I replaced a grossly mis-shapen Max-8 that took a violent hit at a client's home... It left it's outlets "open", saving the gear, and then went to the little test bench in the sky....
Several appliances in that home were dead, as was the pool pump, and several phones.... but the A/V gear was still in perfect condition.
As for "conditioning", I believe that the best steps to eliminate power induced issues involve installation if dedicated circuits, following solid grounding practices, and to keep all the connected equipment (including flat panels or projectors) on a single circuit when possible.
To that end, I use inlet/outlet extensions fed by the rack mount surge/line conditioner unit through an inlet, or dedicated system outlets fed by a dedicated branch off of a installation model rack mount surge/line conditioner in a NEMA enclosure.
With some prudent design work, the need for conditioning is minimized.
No box is going to be a panacea if the electrical system is jacked.