120Hz - now what

I would love to see that

I think all those TV's do 1080/24p, (I don't know for sure about the Sharp's). Only the 81 has LED backlighting and it's a first gen model that they probably rushed to be the first in the stores to sell one, I'd wait that technology out for a couple years at least. Other then that I think they are all very comparable. The Sammy's have that annoying gloss cover which gives nice black levels but the reflections bother me, IMO. My vote goes for the XBR4 out of all those choices.

Minor correction. JVC was the first to hit the US streets with a 120hz set - Jun 2006. Their second gen 120hz sets are due out any day now.

I believe Sharpjunkie confirmed that it does.

The Sharps don't accept 24p input, so the feature, IMHO, is a bit pointless.

JVC first gen was horizontal correcting only....the new generation is supposed to be both axis...have to look back to confirm if its diagonal

I believe sony uses horizontal and diagonal only....from a babelfish translation

"In its new full HD incarnation, JVC's Clear Motion Drive detects image data from more than 8,000 surrounding dots in a frame to create a pixel and calculate movement from the current frame to the next. This process is performed on all two million pixels (1920 x 1080) in a frame to interpolate for movement in all directions." http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=588&pageID=1

Another minor correction. The Samsung 71 series doesn't have the LED backlight. Just the 81 series.

Interesting that my list of 120hz does not include any on your list. Why:
Sharp: 92's are gen 0 (as in zero interpolation that anyone could see.)
Sony: always a non value
Sammy: glossy screen

My list:
Tosh 177 but only if they get the green out.
Mitz 144, 244; performance is TBD
JVC, see 898 thread. 1st review looks good.

The unknows: Sharp, Phillips and Olevia

Others accept 24p, but the issue is whether they end up doing 3:2 anyway. Expect US displays to either display 5 images/sec (120hz) or do motion interpolation to 60hz 3:2. (Euro's doing 100Hz can do both.) IMO, the interpolated (60hz->120hz) 3:2 will look less jerky. (Jerky comes from 24p (too slow) and 3:2 judder.)

With good processing, 24p content (even from a DVD) can be reconstructed from 60i (inverse telecine.)

Re processing, Tosh XA2 includes SO's Reon, a reduced(focused) Realta. Here's part of what a Realta can do: http://www.hqv.com/technology/index1...TOKEN=45710053

This morning it was (current probabilities with pulling the trigger on black Friday):
60% JVC (should be #1 on interpolation and a good 10bit panel)
20% Mitz 144/244 (know for integrating good chips with a good panel)
10% Tosh 177(good panel & processor, but needs a fix)
10% other

Now, with NuVision's new models:
40% JVC
30% NuVision NVU52DCM(Sharp panel, Realta, maybe strobing BLU & 120Hz)
10% Mitz
5% Tosh
5% Sammy(new non glare model (but no 52" announced.))
10% other

Now for the disclaimer - Sharp will introduce a new model with "Advanced" motion interpolation. Syntax is doing a 65" with the Sharp panel and Realta.
Others will be doing LED BLUs, and maybe someone will license Brightsides Local Dimming. Obviously, we need to see if Sharp gets the banding out of the new panels for each size.

Bottom line, the dominate consideration is the "jerk factor." Defined in an article I read about selecting high tech stuff. It's this simple: "Ask yourself one simple question - six months from now will I look back and feel like a jerk."

On black Friday, all the new models will be out, we will know which ones have problems, performance will have be evaluated and the price will be right.

Are there any side-by-side comparisons available to read? Not just between different brands' 120hz implementations, but between 120hz sets and non-120hz sets. I'm really wondering if this technology is all it's hyped up to be.

Frankly, I don't understand all the buzz about 120Hz. All my 1080p TVs are hooked up to media centers (it doesn't cost much these days to build a decent MCE-machine), and they are being fed with DVI/HDMI 1920x1080 native resolution. All the conversion is taking place inside the computer (analog/digital tuners, or DVD upscaling). So 120Hz really means nothing to the MCE-user.

And frankly - I believe that this is the way do go. Modern TV should be used only as 1080p 1:1-mapping computer monitor, and let your computer do all that heavy processing stuff. TVs cost too much, and it's never-ending battle trying to catch constantly advancing technology, they come up 5-months from now with 144Hz - and it's all starting over again, buy new TV? This is just crazy. MCE with decent tuners is the way to go. Also, DVD upscaling is WAY BETTER on MCE. Just my opinion...

I want to replace my Samsung 4696. I figured that 46 was big enough. You can never have a big enough TV.

Interested top 10 LCD list. http://www.reviews-lcd-tv.com/top-10-lcd-tvs-46up.aspx

I am leaning toward 5271 because of the price point. But somethings says inside of me, wait. Maybe a 57inch model will come out. I don't really want to cross over to a plasma 58 inch.

Hmm, I thought there was a 57" 71 series. Guess that's just 81 series, then?

120hz doesn't have anything to do with your MCE computer -- it must be supported by the TV. You cannot achieve the same results by hooking an HTPC to a 60hz LCD, it's just not possible.

LCD doesn't have a refresh rate. If the computer will have the appropriate hardware/software - the same results will be achieved. I agree with fedex2go that all these "new" offerings on TVs are just marketing BS, they put new software chip inside the TV, call it a new better model and sell for $1000 more.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. The LCD most certainly does have a refresh rate -- 60hz for almost all NTSC LCDs, and 120hz for the newer ones (for PAL, 50hz and 100hz for new ones).

The new "software chip" helps reduce motion blur. I suppose you could offload the motion interpolation to an HTPC (assuming that the software to do this exists, and that your PC was powerful enough to perform it on HD sources -- both doubtful), but only if the LCD itself supported a 120hz signal input.

Only 120hz TVs accept and display a 120hz signal, so you can't take your old 60hz LCD, work some MCE magic on it, and get the same results as a 120hz LCD. Simply not possible.

I just started reading the 71 vs xbr4 thread. Looks like Sony maybe a little sharper, although that was later retracted. Sony crushes blacks, so 71 may win. 71 is also faster. It's not included because of a prior total lack of knowledge (And, I'm anti Sony.)

JVC LT-__x898, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&highlight=jvc


See sharpjunkie's threads: 71 vs 81 and 71 vs xbr4.
See post #14 in above JVC thread.
No info re 60 vs 120hz (I have NO interest in a 60Hz.)

OK, so here's what I want my PC to do. I want additional frames added to my 60p content to smooth motion. I'm sure the PC could do a good job of "motion upconversion". I also want it to present these 8.3msec images for 6msec with a blank frame between them for 2.1msec. (We need this to avoid blurring caused by retina retention.) So find a monitor with a 480Hz refresh rate with HDCP. (Or, I'll have to wait for a TV with a stobed LED BLU.)

While we are at it, could you compare your PC's processing to the following chip. If it's better, I'll want to know what app to get and your PC specs.
http://www.hqv.com/technology.cfm

And, if you have an app that does upconversion using bandelet transforms, I want it. If not, see if you can get it for us. That's what the studios are using to do digital theaters.
http://gear.ign.com/articles/701/701720p1.html
http://www.letitwave.com/home.html

Even with a strobed BLU, we'll still need motion upconversion on the PC and 120p input (Film are upconverted to 120p and need 200 to 400GBs.) I'm ok with non real time processing, but I'll need a bigger hard drive.