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Prompted by AVS Member and noted arm wrestling champ Popalock (Austin), I have updated this Thread with an attempt at providing some links to significant upgrade events. This first post includes a napkin sketch plan for the room, some construct photos and, a description of the concept of converting a 21’X19.5’X20’ (DWH) space into 2 separate rooms by simply adding a floor/ceiling. I thought of calling it the Out of Thin Air Theater. Looking into the Thread for the first time in a long time it is apparent that I am taking less photo's each year. Kinda like with your kids as they get older :).  

 

If I had a nickel for every time I said I was finished upgrading ... I'd have a lot of nickels.  :p

 

Some Milestones:

 

Phase 1.1 Non light controlled multi-purpose media room with:

·        Sectional sofa Seating

·        Revel Performa F52 mains, F32 Surrounds and C52 and Revel Embrace Surround Backs

·        JL Audio F113 subs (pair)

·        Emotiva Processor (DMC?), Sunfire Amp 7/400

·        Panasonic 58” plasma and manual pull down FP screen (Elite I think)

·        Mitsubishi Front Projector

 

Phase 1.2 Non light controlled multi-purpose media room with:

·        Sectional sofa Seating

·        GIK Room Treatments

·        Revel Performa Ultima Studio mains, Ultima Voice Center, Revel IW 130 in-wall surrounds and Embrace Surround backs.

·        JL Audio F113 and F112 subs (Quad)

·        Integra 80.1 SSP, Sunfire Amp 7/400, Tosh HD-DVD and OPPO BDP-83 (proto)  

·        Panasonic 58” plasma and Powered FP screen (Stewart Studiotech I130)

 

Phase 2.0 non light controlled dedicated HT with:

·        Berkline Powered Seating (3 initially then added a second row for 7 seats total.

·        GIK Room Treatments

·        Revel Performa UltimaII Studio mains, UltimaII Voice Center, Revel IW 130 in-wall surrounds and Embrace Surround backs.

·        JL Audio F113 and F112 subs (Quad)

·        Integra 80.1 SSP, Sunfire Amp 7/400, Tosh HD-DVD and OPPO BDP-83 (proto)  

·        Panasonic 58” plasma and Powered FP screen (Stewart Studiotech I130)

·        JVC RS100 FP

·        Painted walls/ceiling

 

Phase 3.0 Light Controlled Dedicated HT

·        Berkline Powered Seating (2 rows, 7 seats)

·        JTR Triple 12 mains, JTR Triple 8 Surrounds, JTR Slanted 8 Surround backs and height speakers

·        Danley TH-SPUD under riser sub pair. JTR Captivator pair front stage (pair)

·        Integra 80.1 SSP, Sunfire Amp 7/400, Tosh HD-DVD and OPPO BDP-83 (proto)  

·        Panasonic 58” plasma and Powered FP screen (Stewart Studiotech I130)

·        JVC RS-35 FP

 

Phase 3.2 Light Controlled Dedicated HT

·        Berkline Powered Seating (2 rows, 7 seats)

·        GIK & ATS Room Treatments

·        JTR Triple 12 mains, JTR Triple 8 Surrounds, JTR Slanted 8 Surround Backs and Height speakers

·        JTR Orbit Shifter Subwoofer (pair)

·        Integra 80.3 SSP, Wyred 4 Sound 9 Channel Amp (7plus 2), Tosh HD-DVD and OPPO BDP-83 (proto), Comcast HD-DVR

·        Sony BDP-5000ES 500 Disk Autochanger   

·        Seymour AV 110” AT Screen

·        JVC RS-35 FP

 

Phase 4.0 Light Controlled Dedicated HT

·        Berkline Powered Seating (2 rows, 7 seats)

·        GIK & ATS Room Treatments

·        JTR Triple Noesis 212LP LCR’s, , JTR Triple 8LP Surrounds, JTR Slanted 8 Surround Backs and Height speakers

·        JTR Orbit Shifter Subwoofer (pair)

·        Integra 80.3 SSP, Wyred 4 Sound 9 Channel Amp (7plus 2), Tosh HD-DVD and OPPO BDP-83 (proto), Comcast HD-DVR

·        Assassin PC HTPC with 2 BR drives and 9TB storage

·        Seymour AV 110” AT Screen

·        Sony HWL 50ES FP (3D)

 

Phase 5.0 Light Controlled Dedicated HT (Pending March 29th GTG)

·        Berkline Powered Seating (2 rows, 7 seats)

·        GIK & ATS Room Treatments

·        JTR 215 Full Range LCR’s,, JTR Triple 8LP Surrounds, JTR Slanted 8 Surround Backs

·        Integra 80.3 SSP, Wyred 4 Sound 7 Channel Amp, OPPO BDP-83 (proto), Comcast HD-DVR, Net Gear Neo TV HD Streaming Player

·        Assassin PC HTPC with 2 BR drives and 9TB storage

·        Seymour AV 120” AT Screen

·        Sony HWL 50ES FP (3D) 

 

 

I have floored off the top 9' of my 20' high family room to create a new enclosed HT/media room. The old lower space was 7500Cf with large openings to even larger spaces and as such, it was impossible to get good HT effects. I have wanted a dedicated AV room for several years now and the large price tag and complications associated with building an entirely new second floor addition had prevented me from moving ahead with the project. Then my original idea for this became the solution. I sacrificed a very dramatic 20' high room but the net gain in livable space and my desire for the HT play room made it a no brainer. The project started three weeks ago and will be finished on Wednesday of this week. My contractor neighbor was a great help but it was really a pretty simple project as all we had to do was build a floor, a little sheet rock, some electrical and instant HT room.

I have purchased some new equipment and will be installing quite a few GIK Acoustics absorption panels and tri traps to make the room sound as good as it can. Below are a few photos of the new space and a crude drawing I created for the GIK guys. The drawing has some details but in addition to the things mentioned there, I will have a projector on the back wall and a ceiling mounted screen that will drop in front of the plasma for movies. I will have light control in the room (heavy drapes and shades for the windows) but I wanted to be able to enjoy the room in the light as well. I have purchased a U shaped sectional as the primary furniture in the room. I also ordered two large bean bag chairs as movable extra seats. Its has really been fun putting this together but the fun will really start when I setup the room and tweak the system. I'll add pics as the room progresses.
Crude drawing of room:

Through the double, doors back wall:

Back wall with Axiom QS8 SB speaker:

Front Wall (Mains, subs?, PJ and Plasma):

Room will be carpeted. Floor has two layers of Ply sheeting and was insulated.
Cables to primary and backup locations were run under floor. It will be great to have a space to do with as I see fit with no or few asthetic compromises.


Edited by RMK! - 2/10/14 at 3:55pm
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Hey RMK. Our rooms are similar. I will definitely be checking back to see how this comes along. I love the crown molding in your home. You could always start with just painting the AV wall chocolate and it could compliment the room treatments well.
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Here are some pics of the new room minus furniture. I can’t believe the difference with an enclosed space. Using the Velo SMS-1 and the ARO EQ features of the Fathom subs, I get a fairly flat FR from 20Hz to 100Hz. Above that seems a little lumpy so the room treatments are definitely necessary. The biggest difference is the max volume. Before with basically the same equipment, I could run movies at -10 to -15 on my SSP and it was loud but sounded good. Now, I get the same volume at -20 to -25. I’m sure the enclosed space is the primary reason for this. I also added to dedicated 20 amp circuits to the new room so maybe I was power limited before … I dunno.

In any case, the bass is scary good. I thought I had heard powerful bass before but this is a whole new ball game. In the old room the subs were on slabs/carpet and the room was very open. Now, the floors are carpet over wood (2nd story) and the space is enclosed. Playing WOTW chapter 5 (at -18) was a whole new experience. Installing subdudes today to see if I can tame it down just a bit.


post #4 of 523
RMK! I really like the look of the room - you've done a nice job. Can you tell me what A/V cabinet you are using? I think it looks great.
post #5 of 523
Very nice! I like how you solved your problem of having both a Flat Panel and Projector. Have you decided on seating?

I got my SPL meter and external Sound on Friday. I just gotta figure out the Room EQ Wizard software next. I'll post some graphs soon. My sub should ship Friday or soon thereafter. I also need to get some treatments ordered early this week.
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Originally Posted by johnbauman View Post

Very nice! I like how you solved your problem of having both a Flat Panel and Projector. Have you decided on seating?

I got my SPL meter and external Sound on Friday. I just gotta figure out the Room EQ Wizard software next. I'll post some graphs soon. My sub should ship Friday or soon thereafter. I also need to get some treatments ordered early this week.

Thanks, I'm pretty happy with the room and the whole project was done in less than a month. Re the seating, I'm getting a sectional couch and a couple of bean bag chairs. Also, a sofa table behind the sectional with a couple of lamps and short bar stools under for more non-movie seats. The room is multi purpose so the windows stay. The heavy curtains my fiancé bought do a good job of blocking light. The room isn't completely dark but good enough for my uses at least for now.

The GIK acoustic panels are supposed to arrive this week and I'm really looking forward experimenting with those.
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Here is the room with the GIK panels hung and sectional couch in place. I tried the sub dudes but the Fathoms are too heavy in the back and were listing to stern by quite a bit. I had to use some high density foam to level them out and in the end, just removed them. Anyone want a couple of sub dudes cheap? The tweaking and adjusting are just beginning but the advantages of an enclosed, treated space are very apparent.

Outside looking in


Back wall


Front with Plasma


Front in PJ mode


Left side wall and double door entry
post #8 of 523
Hey those are looking pretty cool. We just did a redesign of the GIK web site. Mind if I us a couple of these picures?

Glenn
post #9 of 523
Sup RMk!?!?!? I got my treatments yesterday. My wife is none to happy about the look. =\\ Was wondering what the trick is to getting them level with one another. Have you done any graphs yet? Are you pleased with their effect?
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I put some pictures of mine up. I still have about 4 more panels to hang. I can already tell a big difference in the sound.
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Originally Posted by johnbauman View Post

Sup RMk!?!?!? I got my treatments yesterday. My wife is none to happy about the look. =\\ Was wondering what the trick is to getting them level with one another. Have you done any graphs yet? Are you pleased with their effect?

Hi John,

I just hand tied the wires and measured the distance from the panel; bottom to the stretched wire. 1/4" or less difference only a carpenter's eye would notice. The only graphs I have done are with my Velo SMS-1 sub equalizer. It only goes up to 200Hz so not enough info to tell the whole story although the 4 stacked bass traps in the front corners of my room worked very well at flattening out the native low frequencies. I think the irregular shape of my room helps with room nodes. BTW, nice job on your room, looks great and I'm sure sounds great too.

Rob
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Here is a room FR graph taken from the LP with my Velodyne SMS-1. I do not have a pre treatment graph picture but the treatments definitely improved the rooms FR.
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As you who create these dedicated spaces know, we are never "done" but I am at a pause and evaluate stage. My SO has done a bit of decorating and I think the room the room looks pretty good if a little boring (lack of color?). The problems with the room are the AV cabinet wiring is a mess and I will tackle that when (and if) my new pre/pro ever ships. There is an audible hiss from the speakers at higher volume levels and the source of this needs to be tracked down. I had two 20 amp circuits added to the existing 15 amp in the room. It may be a grounding problem with these, or just the wiring mess behind the cabinet. All the in-wall/floor HT wire runs were separated from the electrical so I know that isn't the problem.

I have a box (three) of the acoustic panels left over and am considering where to put them or if they are even needed. Due to the position of the sectional the rear speakers (Revel F32 floor standers) are poorly positioned. I may need to go with side wall in-wall or on-wall for the surrounds. Despite this, the room sounds really good but any suggestions here would be apprieciated.

Here are some recent pics.







post #14 of 523
That's one GREAT looking room. You've done a terrific job with the interior design. Looks like a room anyone could spend a lot of time in.

Nice work!
post #15 of 523
Nice looking room. Enjoy it.
Cheers
Calvin
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HUGE room
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I have been thinking about replacing my Performa F32 rear speakers with wall mounted surrounds and this week found a dealer with a pair of Embrace’s at very good price, so I sold the F32’s and mounted the Embraces this weekend. The F-32’s (great speakers BTW) were essentially firing into the back of the sectional couch that is the main seating for the HT. This was especially noticeable with multichannel music but even with movies, this placement was not ideal for floor standing speakers. The Embrace’s are one of the very best dipole/bipole speakers and they sound incredible. I also prefer the look of wall mounted surrounds and may add an additional side wall pair for a 7.1 setup in the future.

Based upon my use and the room configuration, this was a very good upgrade to my system.

Nice clean back wall look


At 45 lbs each, they MUST be mounted to studs
post #18 of 523
that is one great looking HT room. nice work. later.
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There have been quite a few updates since I last posted here. I believe the only remaining components are the Sunfire amp, the Panosonic plasma, the JL F113 subs and the Revel Embrace surrounds. Everything else is new including:

New LCR speakers; Revel Ultima Studio and Voice2

New Source players; Toshiba XA2, Oppo 970H

New Video; Mitsubishi HC4900 projector, Elite Cinetension2 powered screen

All and all very happy with the changes. Here are some pics:



Also repositioned the subs to a mid-wall location.


Getting the Ultima LCR's and the Mits 1080P/powered tensioned screen have greatly improved both the audio and video in the room. Other than cosmetics, I'm running out of things to do.
post #20 of 523
Those Revels are awesome. Nice! What Panasonic projector was that and how do you like the Mitsubishi compared to it?
post #21 of 523
Just saw your post for the first time. First off what a wonderfull room this just looks amazing. I've always liked this style of room comparted to a dedicated ht. I was wondering if you have any before pics of the room and what the room below it looks like now.
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Those Revels are awesome. Nice! What Panasonic projector was that and how do you like the Mitsubishi compared to it?

Thanks, the Revels do get after it. I had a Panny 900U. By comparison and with only one 1080P movie under my belt, the image from the HC4900 is much clearer. Now from my 15 foot vantage point the 106" 1080P image looks comparable to the 58" 720P Panny plasma image (the plasma is right behind the screen).
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Originally Posted by newdadmike View Post

Just saw your post for the first time. First off what a wonderfull room this just looks amazing. I've always liked this style of room comparted to a dedicated ht. I was wondering if you have any before pics of the room and what the room below it looks like now.

Thanks Mike (and congrats on the new baby). I too like a multipurpose room and that why this one looks the way it does. It is my play space to do as I want regardless of decorator issues. If you look to the top of this thread, there is an explanation of how/why this was built.

Here are a couple of pics of the new ceiling/floor (room below the HT) down stairs. As you can see, I still have some AV gear in the Entertainment Center but it is now a Family Room once again rather than a wannabe HT:

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outstanding Rob!!!!
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outstanding Rob!!!!

Thank you Shervin, now I have to get those beige walls painted.
post #26 of 523
nice looking room. did you build the acoustic panels or order them? thanks.
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nice looking room. did you build the acoustic panels or order them? thanks.

Thank you aham, I ordered them from GIK acoustics.
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Recent changes are two new surround speakers (Revel I30 in-walls) and a new 7 (actually 8) channel amp. I decided I was missing something by not having 7.1 and early returns are good. I was going to use two more Embrace surrounds but with the right wall so close to the LP's, I thought the in-walls would work better. The amp is the Axiom A1400-8 digital amp (blue light in the first photo) and it is a beast in terms of power. I have only had a week with this setup but so far I am pleased with the results.

Next up is painting the walls, I'm thinking a Moca (brown) would be good.


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This is perfect example of how things happen in our household. Friday evening I suggested to Karen that we paint the HT room. Saturday we go to Home Depot get all the supplies, by 1pm we are starting. By 8pm I am re-installing the surrounds and hooking the system up. By 9:30 we are watching the Eagles Live from Melbourne HD-DVD. Project inception to completion in less and 24hrs. It is amazing what two motivated (if not particularly talented) individuals can do. We used the new Greeguard Freshaire paint with no VOC's so no fumes and quick dry (specifically designed for instant gratification people like us). Great stuff by the way but if you have young kids with sticky fingers on the walls skip it.
The room looks great, I didn't realize how bland those beige walls looked until we had finished painting. Really a much more cozy and warm feel to the room with some darker paint on the walls. Here are some pics:

Flash washes out the color quite a bit



This one shows the true wall color better
post #30 of 523
yes. the room was nice before, but me really likes it now. well done. later.
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