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post #151 of 523
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

But I like my gear to be on display, and I'm willing to pay for "pretty" as well good sounding. I simply wouldn't be as happy if I had to hide everything behind AT cloth. If the sound is all that matters, then going the DIY or Pro Audio route makes complete sense though.

JTR, Seaton Sound, and Danley all offer nice wood veneer finishes for a small premium. Then you can have your cake and eat it, too...
post #152 of 523
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OK, more changes coming.

I completed the riser construction and two new Berkline's will be arriving early August. I have ordered the following from JTR:

2 Triple 8HT for surrounds
2 Captivator subs to be placed room front under CC.
I also ordered a Crest CC4000 amp to drive the Captivators.

So by mid August I should have a two row, six seat theater with dual Danley TH-SPUDS (under riser) and dual Captivators (up front) along with the JTR Triple12LF's and the 2010 T8's. Inspired by Peter (Fugueness) I am planning a GTG for the weekend of September 26th and Jeff Permanian has agreed to fly out and EQ my system (using Audyssey Pro) as well as attend the GTG. He will also be upgrading the Xovers on my T12LF's so the system should be pretty well optimized for the GTG.

All in the area are welcome to attend and I think it will be a fun and educational time. Jeff is a great guy and having the designer/builder of the speakers on hand to answer questions will be very cool. I will start a GTG thread as the time gets closer. In the meantime, I will be doing the initial setup and establishing a base line to compare the pre and post Audyssey pro EQing and will take and post some pics here.

Unfortunately, the video side will not be addressed at this point. I have many issues with CIH, AR's and expensive add-on lenses and masking solutions. Also, every sample (I have 5) of AT screen fabric looks terrible as compared to my Stewart StudioTech 130 non-AT screen material. I also have issues with screen size and PJ brightness so rather than risk degrading my PQ, I'm going to hold on until I see a clear path (pun intended).
post #153 of 523
Awesome, Rob! Count me in!
post #154 of 523
Sounds great! Captivators,Spuds,Triple8s and 12s. Serious slam
post #155 of 523
Rob,

Where did you get the acoustical panels from? I think my room is in serious need of help. 24x40, carpeted floors but all drywall at this point.

--John
post #156 of 523
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Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post

Sounds great! Captivators,Spuds,Triple8s and 12s. Serious slam

Slam I am

Hearing Fugueness's all Seaton system last weekend raised the bar by quite a bit in terms of HT audio. I am just hoping I can get close to that performance on a more constrained budget.
post #157 of 523
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Originally Posted by SeaNile View Post

Rob,

Where did you get the acoustical panels from? I think my room is in serious need of help. 24x40, carpeted floors but all drywall at this point.

--John

GIK Acoustics. Good guys, very helpful.
post #158 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Slam I am …

Hearing Fugueness’s all Seaton system last weekend raised the bar by quite a bit in terms of HT audio. I am just hoping I can get close to that performance on a more constrained budget.

From my (limited) knowledge you should not have a problem with SPL! Except perhaps below 15 Hz?
post #159 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Unfortunately, the video side will not be addressed at this point. I have many issues with CIH, AR's and expensive add-on lenses and masking solutions. Also, every sample (I have 5) of AT screen fabric looks terrible as compared to my Stewart StudioTech 130 non-AT screen material. I also have issues with screen size and PJ brightness so rather than risk degrading my PQ, I'm going to hold on until I see a clear path (pun intended).

Interesting. I was wondering about buying an inexpensive AT screen without ever seeing it.
How do speakers sound behind a regular (non-AT) screen?
post #160 of 523
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Originally Posted by psgcdn View Post

Interesting. I was wondering about buying an inexpensive AT screen without ever seeing it.
How do speakers sound behind a regular (non-AT) screen?

Not a good idea.

My "terrible" description above was a bit excessive but the AT materials I have seen are not as bright and the perf and woven surfaces noticably degrade image quality as compared to my non AT Stewart. I may bite the bullett at some point but I'm holding off for the time being.
post #161 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

OK, more changes coming.

I completed the riser construction and two new Berkline's will be arriving early August. I have ordered the following from JTR:

2 Triple 8HT for surrounds
2 Captivator subs to be placed room front under CC.
I also ordered a Crest CC4000 amp to drive the Captivators.

So by mid August I should have a two row, six seat theater with dual Danley TH-SPUDS (under riser) and dual Captivators (up front) along with the JTR Triple12LF's and the 2010 T8's. Inspired by Peter (Fugueness) I am planning a GTG for the weekend of September 26th and Jeff Permanian has agreed to fly out and EQ my system (using Audyssey Pro) as well as attend the GTG. He will also be upgrading the Xovers on my T12LF's so the system should be pretty well optimized for the GTG.

All in the area are welcome to attend and I think it will be a fun and educational time. Jeff is a great guy and having the designer/builder of the speakers on hand to answer questions will be very cool. I will start a GTG thread as the time gets closer. In the meantime, I will be doing the initial setup and establishing a base line to compare the pre and post Audyssey pro EQing and will take and post some pics here.

Unfortunately, the video side will not be addressed at this point. I have many issues with CIH, AR's and expensive add-on lenses and masking solutions. Also, every sample (I have 5) of AT screen fabric looks terrible as compared to my Stewart StudioTech 130 non-AT screen material. I also have issues with screen size and PJ brightness so rather than risk degrading my PQ, I'm going to hold on until I see a clear path (pun intended).

This thread has been so much fun to read. I've really enjoyed seeing your personal IMAX evolve. You're theater just keeps getting better and better and better. You've given me quite a few ideas for my own theater. Nicely done Rob!
post #162 of 523
Your "terrible" description was a bit excessive.

The Stewart Studiotek 130 is the gold standard for screens and is a 1.3 gain. The DIY AT screens range from a small minus gain to a slight gain at 1.1 I think you'll find lots of happy DIY AT screen owners.
post #163 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Not a good idea.

My "terrible" description above was a bit excessive but the AT materials I have seen are not as bright and the perf and woven surfaces noticably degrade image quality as compared to my non AT Stewart. I may bite the bullett at some point but I'm holding off for the time being.

So your non-AT screen lowers in front of the speakers. How does that sound?
post #164 of 523
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Originally Posted by Boydfp View Post

This thread has been so much fun to read. I've really enjoyed seeing your personal IMAX evolve. You're theater just keeps getting better and better and better. You've given me quite a few ideas for my own theater. Nicely done Rob!

Thanks, it has been an intetresting process for me and I'm glad if others have gained something from my expierences.

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Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

Your "terrible" description was a bit excessive.

The Stewart Studiotek 130 is the gold standard for screens and is a 1.3 gain. The DIY AT screens range from a small minus gain to a slight gain at 1.1 I think you'll find lots of happy DIY AT screen owners.

My comment was with AT screen samples in direct comparison to my Stewart S130 non-AT. As I will likely go AT sooner than later, I hope you are right.

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So your non-AT screen lowers in front of the speakers. How does that sound?

No, my screen drops to just above the LCR speakers and they are all the same height. You would not want to have a non-AT screen in front of your speakers. If your curious to hear how it would sound, throw a heavy blanket over your speakers and give them a listen.
post #165 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

No, my screen drops to just above the LCR speakers and they are all the same height. You would not want to have a non-AT screen in front of your speakers. If your curious to hear how it would sound, throw a heavy blanket over your speakers and give them a listen.

Thanks for clearing that up! I didn't picture the screen staying up that high. I have a lower basement ceiling so that is going to be a problem for me. Might just severely limit the size of the pull-down screen I can put in.
post #166 of 523
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Thanks for clearing that up! I didn't picture the screen staying up that high. I have a lower basement ceiling so that is going to be a problem for me. Might just severely limit the size of the pull-down screen I can put in.


I understand. I have 9' ceilings so I can make it work but the 106" diag. screen is a little higher than I would like for the first row (40" off the floor). All of my L&R main speakers (past and present) have been large floor standers and I do not have the room to move them out laterally.

If/when I go AT, I'll drop the screen down to a more ideal viewing height.
post #167 of 523
Yeah, my center is 35 inches tall. I'll see how big a pull-down screen I could fit above it if I install it directly on the rafter and construct the suspended ceiling around it, such that the screen drops through a slot. That way the picture could start closer to the ceiling (and it might even look nicer to boot). The next problem will be finding a projector with an offset to accommodate such a scheme.
post #168 of 523
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Yeah, my center is 35 inches tall. I'll see how big a pull-down screen I could fit above it if I install it directly on the rafter and construct the suspended ceiling around it, such that the screen drops through a slot. That way the picture could start closer to the ceiling (and it might even look nicer to boot). The next problem will be finding a projector with an offset to accommodate such a scheme.

That shouldn't be a problem if you are ceiling mounting the projector. I use a Chief projector mount with my JVC and they have extension columns that can be adjusted to accommodate any vertical screen position.
post #169 of 523
I'm looking forward to hearing the new room with the Captivators! Have you received them yet? I'm still loving my SH-95s, but part of me really wants to try the SH-50s. Not that I need or can use any more output, but I'd like to experiment with running my mains as full range.
post #170 of 523
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I'm looking forward to hearing the new room with the Captivators! Have you received them yet? I'm still loving my SH-95s, but part of me really wants to try the SH-50s. Not that I need or can use any more output, but I'd like to experiment with running my mains as full range.

New Captivators and Slanted 8's are being built as we speak. I should have them installed by the end of the month. I'll post pics when I get it all setup.

Just a heads-up ... I'm working on an AV GTG for October (Saturday the 10th) that should be really interesting. Jeff will be out to setup and tweak the audio and Vivitek has agreed to provide one of the new H9080FD LED DLP Projectors . Also, Keith Yates is planning to attend so it should be really interesting and fun!
post #171 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

New Captivators and Slanted 8's are being built as we speak. I should have them installed by the end of the month. I'll post pics when I get it all setup.

Just a heads-up ... I'm working on an AV GTG for October (Saturday the 10th) that should be really interesting. Jeff will be out to setup and tweak the audio and Vivitek has agreed to provide one of the new H9080FD LED DLP Projectors . Also, Keith Yates is planning to attend so it should be really interesting and fun!

Just curious, what sort of tweaks are at your dispossal for the audio? Do you use an EQ?
post #172 of 523
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Just curious, what sort of tweaks are at your dispossal for the audio? Do you use an EQ?

Jeff Permanian (JTR) uses "pro audio" type EQ's and that is what we will be using on my system (I have no details). I am limited to Audyssey MulitEQ (in my Integera SSP) and my SMS-1.

I am very interested in any SQ improvment the pro style EQ can offer.
post #173 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Jeff Permanian (JTR) uses "pro audio" type EQ's and that is what we will be using on my system (I have no details). I am limited to Audyssey MulitEQ (in my Integera SSP) and my SMS-1.

I am very interested in any SQ improvment the pro style EQ can offer.

So he will bring an EQ with him? Will you keep it / buy it if you like the results?
post #174 of 523
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

So he will bring an EQ with him? Will you keep it / buy it if you like the results?

Details TBD.


You should consider flying down for the GTG. Inexpensive Southwest flight from Seattle.
post #175 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Details TBD.


You should consider flying down for the GTG. Inexpensive Southwest flight from Seattle.


I'll be there for sure.
post #176 of 523
racingXTC?
post #177 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Details TBD.


You should consider flying down for the GTG. Inexpensive Southwest flight from Seattle.

RMK -

Sorry, I must have skimmed over that invite from you. Thank for the kind offer, but even with low rates, I'm pretty strapped for cash right now. $7K in vet bills for both of our dogs over the past 2 months.

I look forward to reading all about it though.

Thanks again!

- Tim
post #178 of 523
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RMK -

Sorry, I must have skimmed over that invite from you. Thank for the kind offer, but even with low rates, I'm pretty strapped for cash right now. $7K in vet bills for both of our dogs over the past 2 months.

I look forward to reading all about it though.

Thanks again!

- Tim

No problem Tim and sorry to hear about your dogs. Pet Health Insurance always seems like a good idea in retrospect.
post #179 of 523
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Couple of small changes to the room. The biggest difference/change was to the three acoustic panels on the ceiling. I cut out the old fabric covers and added some crown molding making one large panel. In keeping with my usual trial and error methodology, I had painted the white (against GIK's recommendation) ceiling panels with the same wall/ceiling paint. I thinned the paint but when I removed the old fabric the paint had ruined the acoustic transparency of the fabric. The ceiling is an important first reflection point and I was getting little or no benefit after my paint job modification. I can definitely hear a positive difference in SQ since the change.

Old painted Panels


New Mono Panel


Also finished the panel cut-in and molding on the JTR Triple 8's.

Question: how do you make a wall mounted (HWD) 26"X12"X12.75" speaker disapear?
Answer: you don't.

These speakers are large surrounds and I was hoping this panel mod would make them blend better. I have mixed feelings on the looks but the BIG difference in SQ vs. the in-walls makes the aesthetic compromise worthwhile.

With flash

No flash
post #180 of 523
wow what an awesome thread. I too like yourself went down the same road buying "pretty speakers"....Now I am wanting to change my whole setup.

Knowing what you know now, In terms of speakers, subs included, could you please make a list as to what you would buy if you didnt own a single speaker. I am looking at redoing my entire setup.
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