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post #481 of 523
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Originally Posted by jtuttle View Post

I need speakers that are 40" tall to fit under my screen. The T8s are 26.5" tall... would need a 14" stand.

Understood. I'm sure you've done more looking than I have for that height but I believe 16" is the smallest typical height so you may need to either build some(or hire someone local to build some) or go with T12s. I suppose you could buy some taller ones and have them cut to size as well.
post #482 of 523
RMK! Have you heard JBL LSR 6332s? I understand they are in the Harman International Listening Room.
post #483 of 523
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Originally Posted by jtuttle View Post

RMK! Have you heard JBL LSR 6332s? I understand they are in the Harman International Listening Room.

No I haven't heard them. When I had my Revels I was going to go to the Harman Facility in So Cal to pickup a replacement crossover but plans changed and I ended up just having it shipped. I understand it is a great facility to tour if you are in the area.
post #484 of 523
RMK,

Beautiful high performance room and this thread has been extremely informative for the last 4-5 years as your room has evolved.

Do you mind if I ask how you attached the GIK panels to the ceiling. Trying to decide on the best way to accomplish that for my room.

Thanks

EDIT - saw that you used L brackets - I missed that before.
post #485 of 523
Great gear my friend looks amazing
post #486 of 523
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Originally Posted by Davecraze View Post

RMK,

Beautiful high performance room and this thread has been extremely informative for the last 4-5 years as your room has evolved.

Do you mind if I ask how you attached the GIK panels to the ceiling. Trying to decide on the best way to accomplish that for my room.

Thanks

EDIT - saw that you used L brackets - I missed that before.

Yes the L brackets (small 2") worked well. When painted they pretty much disappear. It is a fine line between a room being to live or dead. Adding incrementally was good as it gave me a chance to notice differences but they are so subtile that it is difficult to tell what is going on just by ear (i.e. meuasurements good ).

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Great gear my friend looks amazing

Thanks, putting the room together was fun and I get pleasure from it nearly every day.
post #487 of 523
RMK...great room.

Can I ask how you hung your slanted 8's in the front of the room? What bracket did you use?

I'm thinking of making the move to JTR's and am thinking about slanted 8's for the sides and rears.

Thanks
post #488 of 523
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Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post

RMK...great room.

Can I ask how you hung your slanted 8's in the front of the room? What bracket did you use?

I'm thinking of making the move to JTR's and am thinking about slanted 8's for the sides and rears.

Thanks

I used these for the front height speakers. I used the keyhole mounts that come on the Slanted-8's for the wall mounted back surrounds. I prefer using the keyhole mounting as the speakers fit flush against the wall. The bracket moves the speakers 6" off of the mounting surface and for height speakers that was just about ideal in my room.
post #489 of 523
RMK,

Beautiful room. I am in the process of upgrading my speakers as well and the JTR's have my attention as well as the Klipsch THX Ultra II's. Have you listened to the sealed Triple 8's vs. the ported T8's? What is your opinion of the two?

At first I am looking at the front 3 for LCR duty and using my Emotiva ERD-1's for surrounds and back speakers until I can save up the funds for the S8's. I currently use a Denon AVR 4810 as a pre with Emotiva XPA amps to drive a 7.1 set up. I will be getting a processor shortly with XT32. I am just waiting to see the new Marantz pre/pro and/or the new Denon AVR 4520.

Again, awesome room and set up.

Thanks,
Ted
post #490 of 523
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Originally Posted by VTGOLFER View Post

RMK,

Beautiful room. I am in the process of upgrading my speakers as well and the JTR's have my attention as well as the Klipsch THX Ultra II's. Have you listened to the sealed Triple 8's vs. the ported T8's? What is your opinion of the two?

At first I am looking at the front 3 for LCR duty and using my Emotiva ERD-1's for surrounds and back speakers until I can save up the funds for the S8's. I currently use a Denon AVR 4810 as a pre with Emotiva XPA amps to drive a 7.1 set up. I will be getting a processor shortly with XT32. I am just waiting to see the new Marantz pre/pro and/or the new Denon AVR 4520.

Again, awesome room and set up.

Thanks,
Ted

Hi Ted,

Thanks for the kind words. I don't know that I or anyone could hear much of a difference in the sealed vs vented 8's. Jeff built the sealed as a more compact speaker and there is slightly less internal cabinet volume. That translates into less LF extension 78 vs 70Hz for the vented Triple 8HT. You didn't mention a sub(s) but both of these require one to get from say 90Hz down. The vented are usually crossed at 80Hz where the sealed 8's might need 90-100Hz crossover. That is in the territory of localization of the bass frequencies so sub position becomes more critical.

In any case, I have heard the Klipsch Ultra II's and they are nice sounding HT speakers. For my taste, the latest version of JTR's are better at music and HT. Of course we all have different tastes.

I watched the Fighter with some friends last night who had never heard the system (it has a really good Rock and Roll soundtrack) and they could not stop talking about the sound. Made me feel pretty good about my speaker choice.

Best of luck and let me know what you decide.

Rob
post #491 of 523
HOLY Smokes!! I think I might have to imitate your HT...

Although I can probably only afford a single Orbit Shifter... and maybe not quite as many surrounds.. maybe just a 5.1


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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

If I were in your situation knowing what I now know, I would get the Triple 8's and get an AVR or SSP with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (sell the Pioneer). That EQ system is very easy to use and so good that it eliminates most of the need for room treatments. A few panels on the first reflection points on the side walls would be easy to install (like hanging a picture), inexpensive and probably all you would need. The Triple 12's are very imposing and cool to look at but performance wise they are very close. I'd get the speakers and Audyssey unit first, then treat as necessary.

That's my $.02
Best,
Rob

Since you have both the t8 and t12, have you exchanged them to the front and notice any real difference? You said they are close, but which is 'better'...??

I am thinking the t12s would have an advantage in the mid bass, and the 'slap in the chest' pounding you get due to it's bigger drivers moving more air...

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Anyways, the Seymour XT screen is looking great.. i am actually considering either the seymour or the 4nk... and it's great to know that the seymour works great as an AT screen..

Great stuff RMK!!

btw: Have you compared turning on 1 orbit shifter vs 2 of them?
post #492 of 523
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

HOLY Smokes!! I think I might have to imitate your HT...

Although I can probably only afford a single Orbit Shifter... and maybe not quite as many surrounds.. maybe just a 5.1




Since you have both the t8 and t12, have you exchanged them to the front and notice any real difference? You said they are close, but which is 'better'...??

I am thinking the t12s would have an advantage in the mid bass, and the 'slap in the chest' pounding you get due to it's bigger drivers moving more air...

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Anyways, the Seymour XT screen is looking great.. i am actually considering either the seymour or the 4nk... and it's great to know that the seymour works great as an AT screen..

Great stuff RMK!!

btw: Have you compared turning on 1 orbit shifter vs 2 of them?

Thanks,

There is more midbass weight with the Triple 12's but when you add a good sub(s) that is well integrated, the point becomes moot. The quote you posted was a hypothetical response ... . Already having the Triple 12's, I would not let them go for love nor money.

If I were you, I would get dual subs.Two of the CAP 1000's (or similar) would be less than one OS and give you great output. If you have a huge room then maybe an OS or two would be nice ...

RE a single OS yes, I had an issue with one of the amps (mine were the first OS's sold) and was down to one OS for a week or so. Honestly, didn't even notice.
post #493 of 523
Actually I already have a couple of HSU ULS 15s...

What I noticed is that when I use both (with the wireless device), the volume of the subs goes down quite a bit, and I had to turn up the gain to at least 3-4oclock to get the same volume from each speaker.

It's the same if you use a wired splitter... so, I am not sure if 2 subs actually gives you more bass.. in my case, it's hardly noticeably due to the loss of signal strength once wired to both subs...

Unless, I guess if your receiver have 2 subwoofer output...

Anyways, I am most likely going to get ONE Orbit shifter...
post #494 of 523
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Well after stating I was done upgrading (several times biggrin.gif) I sold my Triple 12HT's and will be getting a new LCR set from JTR. These speakers will employ a new "high end" compression driver set in a horn rather than the coaxial CD of the current Triple 12. It will have a similar cabinet and the same bass drivers as the current T12 but a new crossover has been built and is being tested/tweaked now in the prototypes. The speaker does not yet have a name but I call them the T12-2H (not very sexy). The CD is a high end BMS unit that should provide better clarity at all SPL's. ETA is about a month.

I'm looking forward to this latest "last upgrade" redface.giftongue.gifcool.gif
post #495 of 523
How are you going to make it without speakers for a month! Haha... Good luck. Talk about a waste of dual OS smile.gif
post #496 of 523
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How are you going to make it without speakers for a month! Haha... Good luck. Talk about a waste of dual OS smile.gif

I may just scramble the remaining 6 into a usable 5.2. Might be kind of fun to use the Triple8's as mains and a S8 as center. with other s8's as side surrounds; Think I'll hold off on the new blockbusters (Avengers and Prometheus) I have pre-ordered on Amazon until the new Horny T's show up. Hey, that might just be their new name ....tongue.gif
post #497 of 523
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OK, I lied ...tongue.gif

Could not hold off on the Avengers so I reconfigured the system in a temp 6.2 with the Triple8LP's as mains, a Slanted8 as center and Slanted 8s as surrounds and single surround back. I ran a 5 position Audyssey, adjusted the xovers and leveled everything up. Know what?

It sounds fantastic! I think I'll cancel my order for the new Horny Toads and just hang with this setup .................NOT wink.gif

Bye bye T12's frown.gif



Say hello to my little friends ...tongue.gif

post #498 of 523
Why did you sell the T12's? Heard those were great speakers!
post #499 of 523
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Originally Posted by tbraden32 View Post

Why did you sell the T12's? Heard those were great speakers!

They are great speakers. I am getting the new JTR 2-12 horn speakers (actual name TBD). They are a new concept featuring a molded horn with a new upgrade mid-HF compression driver and crossover. Can't wait to try them out.cool.gif
post #500 of 523
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

They are great speakers. I am getting the new JTR 2-12 horn speakers (actual name TBD). They are a new concept featuring a molded horn with a new upgrade mid-HF compression driver and crossover. Can't wait to try them out.cool.gif

Would the acronym SEOS belong in here somewhere ??
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Would the acronym SEOS belong in here somewhere ??
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Not sure if Jeff is using that horn or ??? I do know the CD he is using and it appears to be a very good one ... smile.gif
post #502 of 523
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Would the acronym SEOS belong in here somewhere ??
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As it turns out, Jeff is using a proprietary, 1/4" thick aluminum horn for the new Noesis 212HT speakers. Should have very low resonance characteristics and of course, be very light in weight. Pretty cool idea really ...
I have requested photos to tide me over and will post them if he doesn't beat me to it. smile.gif
post #503 of 523
Hi RMK! Just been reading through your thread, have the new speakers arrived, how are you finding them. When you mount the speakers behind the AT is the tweeter position at ear height or above?
post #504 of 523
RMK,
Congrats on the Noesis!.

Regarding your Orbitshifters Where did you put the volume dial on them at. I put mine at +10 before placing behind screen. Recently when i was running audyssey my Denon 4520 was saying subwoofer level was too high. Its a pain to remove the screen and adjust volume everytime so my question is, is it a good idea to turn the volume knob on the orbitshifter to "0" and control the lfe gain entirely from my receiver?
Thanks
Vik
post #505 of 523
RMK, would you be willing to show some pics of how you hang your screen? I am looking at getting a bigger screen and this means going AT, but I will not be building a new wall to hide everything behind so I am very interested in your setup. Thanks.
post #506 of 523
Eh, is this thread dead? Where are the new Noesis RMK???
post #507 of 523
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Eh, is this thread dead? Where are the new Noesis RMK???

I can acknowledge RMK's Noesis 212's work and can really knock your ears to oblivion...........though I must admit, the OS's are really the special sauce which makes Robs theater really go!

I for one was impressed...............

After visiting Rob's room, I came really, really close to purchasing Noesis 212's..............................since I couldn't fit a pair of OS's in my front facade wall, I just used the speakers that were spec-ed by the experts in my build.
post #508 of 523
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Originally Posted by doublewing11 View Post

I can acknowledge RMK's Noesis 212's work and can really knock your ears to oblivion...........though I must admit, the OS's are really the special sauce which makes Robs theater really go!

I for one was impressed...............

After visiting Rob's room, I came really, really close to purchasing Noesis 212's..............................since I couldn't fit a pair of OS's in my front facade wall, I just used the speakers that were spec-ed by the experts in my build.

You're making me even more excited. Can't wait for my speakers to arrive. I am refreshing the FedEx tracking page everyday.

Anyways, how big is Rob's room? And if he turns off one of the OS, would you still be as impressed? The reason I asked is because I can't afford 2 of them. I can only afford one. Each OS plus shipping plus tax is equivalent to 5-6 months salary (of a middle income group).
post #509 of 523
I am sure he will answer for you as well. But, an additional sub should add around 3 db. In some circumstances it could add up to 6 db. The OS can be "coupled" to another one at an ideal distance to achieve a greater output.

It is generally speaking a good idea to get one really powerful sub. The best reason to add another would be to smooth out the room modes. This second sub would be in a different place than the first one for this purpose.

The OS has tremendous output. It is hard to tell exactly what your room dimensions are from the drawing. Cool bunker by the way. But, if it is around 13 x 22 x 8 the OS will have little problem pressurizing the room at most frequencies.

I have only one OS and I am finishing my room. It is 15 x 19 x 8. I can let you know how it works out for me but I am hopeful that one is enough as far as the output is concerned. I will have a second less powerful sub for the room mode smoothing.

Of course there are exceptions to everything. The DIY path can get pretty interesting. Carp has 8 18'' subs that are mostly co located and I can assure you that it does the job (understatement of the year).

I have heard 2 OS's in the same room before with Jeff at the helm and it was the single most insane bass experience I have ever or will ever have in terms of sheer output and pressurization. I will simply never subject myself to anything more than that. Carp was there too so he can attest to the structural damage that was done on that night!
post #510 of 523
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

I am sure he will answer for you as well. But, an additional sub should add around 3 db. In some circumstances it could add up to 6 db. The OS can be "coupled" to another one at an ideal distance to achieve a greater output.

It is generally speaking a good idea to get one really powerful sub. The best reason to add another would be to smooth out the room modes. This second sub would be in a different place than the first one for this purpose.

The OS has tremendous output. It is hard to tell exactly what your room dimensions are from the drawing. Cool bunker by the way. But, if it is around 13 x 22 x 8 the OS will have little problem pressurizing the room at most frequencies.

I have only one OS and I am finishing my room. It is 15 x 19 x 8. I can let you know how it works out for me but I am hopeful that one is enough as far as the output is concerned. I will have a second less powerful sub for the room mode smoothing.

Of course there are exceptions to everything. The DIY path can get pretty interesting. Carp has 8 18'' subs that are mostly co located and I can assure you that it does the job (understatement of the year).

I have heard 2 OS's in the same room before with Jeff at the helm and it was the single most insane bass experience I have ever or will ever have in terms of sheer output and pressurization. I will simply never subject myself to anything more than that. Carp was there too so he can attest to the structural damage that was done on that night!

I think 13x22x8 would be about right.. with no escape for the sound...

I do have a couple of HSU sealed 15 inchers... but i don't think i'll need them.

So, which one wins in a 1-to-1 fight? the dual OS or the 8x18's?

btw: I do remember RMK saying that at one point, he only has 1 OS and he couldn't tell the difference... so, i think i am good!!!
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