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post #1 of 953
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Apparently, according to HomeTheaterHiFi's CEDIA 2007 Show Report, "Denon is delving into the video processor market with their new HD video processor with Silicon Optix's Realta HQV processing."

Show Report here: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...7-page-19.html

Does anyone have any information about this VP?
post #2 of 953
Alan G has a thread in the rumors section...I'm not sure how much more solid its going to be though...
post #3 of 953
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Thanks, although it seems a little more than a rumour, since there's a photo of it on the Show Report page, albeit probably of a (complete looking) prototype.
post #4 of 953
so far, HQV based standalone processors were not a big hit.

There are two units out now (Both Realta based - DragonFly and Vantage HD). Both are nice, but took a very long time to become stabile. Featureset wise, I think they are at a disadvantage if you compare them to Lumagen/Pixel Magic/DVDO style processors.
post #5 of 953
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Thanks Ofer LaOr.

Realta based processors certainly have had their share of problems - including the NEC TheaterSync - but, so too have non-Realta based processors: notably DVDO in particular. However, Denon seem to have had fewer difficulties with their Realta applications, such as the DVD-5910, and DVD-3930, which, in regard to Realta implementation, seemed relatively stable from their release. So, I have high hopes for the Denon processor, provided they get the basic feature-set and price right.
post #6 of 953
true enough, but I'd be more excited if this had happened a couple of years ago.

I'm a lot more cynical about HQV's implementation.

You really cannot compare something like Lumagen/PixelMagic/DVDO processor featureset to HQV featureset anymore. The HQV featureset has stayed static while these three companies moved much further.
post #7 of 953
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Looks like it's an HDMI video processor/switcher dubbed the DVP-602CI, with an SRP of ~$2500.

Apparently, it "..features six inputs, HDMI 1.3a support and can scale to 1080p making use of the Silicon Optix Realta Noise Reduction chipset en route to its two simultanous outputs."
post #8 of 953
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More from Denon's CEDIA product release announcement-

"DVP-602CI HDMI Video Processor/Switcher

The ultimate video-enhancement add-on component. Denon's new Video Scaler uses the powerful and Emmy Award Winning Silicon Optix Realta chipset to ensure superior video performance, with upconversion and scaling to 1080p from all analog and digital sources. The unit's HDMI 1.3a switching capability with Deep Color support ensures the ultimate video performance with display devices, and thanks to it's switching capability between 6 inputs and simultaneous output to 2 monitors, it affords an easy solution for multi-display home entertainment installations. The DVP-602CI will also implement Silicon Optix Realta Noise Reduction Circuitry and perform image correction on HD video signals from Blu-ray Disc players or HD-DVD players, ensuring the highest quality video signal is being passed along to today's high definition displays."

http://usa.denon.com/Denon_CI_Produc...07_-_Final.pdf
post #9 of 953
How's the performance?
Anyone view it?
post #10 of 953
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It's been a while since I saw any mention of this VP, but it does seem to have made an appearance at CES 2008. Did anyone get a close look at it at CES, and maybe take some photos - especially of the rear - and/or hear any firm specifications or estimates of likely availability? I've seen a few tantalizing photos of it at CES, but nothing revealing, and no specifics in any reports.
LL
post #11 of 953
They said it was being pushed back to a May delivery.
post #12 of 953
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

They said it was being pushed back to a May delivery.

Thanks Pete. Do you know if May availability includes Europe? Did you manage to look it over, and see it in action?
post #13 of 953
Denon has a PDF up for their video processor. Check it out here. Aside from the extended output resolution support, the implementation of the Realta doesn't seem to be much more advanced than what is found in Denon's AVR-5308CI.
post #14 of 953
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

They said it was being pushed back to a May delivery.

timing seems a little close to the supposed june/july (?) release of gefen realta based 'scaler pro' vp.
coincidence? rebadge?
post #15 of 953
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Originally Posted by oferlaor View Post

You really cannot compare something like Lumagen/PixelMagic/DVDO processor featureset to HQV featureset anymore. The HQV featureset has stayed static while these three companies moved much further.

When DVDO has deringing and deblocking (and ones that don't suck, at that), I'll consider them as having improved. Otherwise I'll just chuckle every time I read a statement like this.
post #16 of 953
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Well, it's good to see it hasn't just quietly disappeared, but it does look like it's basically only the video section of the 5308/AVC/AVP-A1HD, rehoused, which is disappointing. It appears only to provide a very basic feature set, nothing to compare with the likes of a Lumagen, for example, so it'd need to be quite inexpensive.

Interesting to note the literature claims it outputs 480i.
post #17 of 953
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

Well, it's good to see it hasn't just quietly disappeared, but it does look like it's basically only the video section of the 5308/AVC/AVP-A1HD, rehoused, which is disappointing. It appears only to provide a very basic feature set, nothing to compare with the likes of a Lumagen, for example, so it'd need to be quite inexpensive.

Yeah, the significantly cheaper Gefen solution appears to have more features (i.e., eight-channel audio delay for all codecs and audio/video coupling for HDMI output). Perhaps Denon has yet to fully unveil what this processor will do.
post #18 of 953
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

...Perhaps Denon has yet to fully unveil what this processor will do.

I hope so. The feature set might be enough for the integrated video section of an AV pre/pro/amp, but not for a stand-alone video processor.
post #19 of 953
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

I hope so. The feature set might be enough for the integrated video section of an AV pre/pro/amp, but not for a stand-alone video processor.

Depends entirely upon the price. If this thing is $3k, then few VP50 owners are really going to be that tempted. However, if it is $1.5K, then that may make some people think twice, especially those with a pre/pro that does not have a VP solution, or has a marginal one, like the NAD T175.

Bill
post #20 of 953
The gefen one has alot less connections and only outputs 1366X768, 720, 1080. I already have a matrix switch working great so I dont need those inputs. Infact i only need one hdmi input, output and I only need 1080p.

So I think for expense the gefen one makes alot more sense for me.
post #21 of 953
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Denon list the price as $2,499.00.

Gefen's VP also lists eWarp2 (AnyPlace) which I don't see mentioned on Denon's, and the former is less than a third the price @ $699.

Cypress' VP also has component outputs.
post #22 of 953
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The Denon's remote has an "ASPECT" button, but there's no mention of what this does. Ditto, no mention for the gefen/cypress. Presumably, the Denon aspect control is the same as on their AVP/AVR - basic 16:9/4:3 letter/pillar-box. I would want considerably more aspect control, and cropping/zooming, etc.
post #23 of 953
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Originally Posted by zeropoint View Post

Denon list the price as $2,499.00.

Gefen's VP also lists eWarp2 (AnyPlace) which I don't see mentioned on Denon's, and the former is less than a third the price @ $699.

Cypress' VP also has component outputs.


Can we have a link to this info pls. I am a little cynical about it optional maybe, but at $699?
post #24 of 953
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Originally Posted by Zax View Post

Can we have a link to this info pls. I am a little cynical about it optional maybe, but at $699?

http://www.gefen.com/gefentv/gtvprod...p?prod_id=5276
post #25 of 953
Denon uploaded the owner's manual for this processor. Click here to check it out.
post #26 of 953
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Thanks for spotting the manual!

So, there is a European model.

"Add New Feature" chargeable upgrades looks interesting.
post #27 of 953
Odd that the Denon's manual shows the ill-engineered 3-cable connection between the VP, a receiver and a TV (VP -> Receiver -> VP -> TV) that plagues the Optoma processor, but the back of the tear sheet implies true dual HDMI outputs.

Bill
post #28 of 953
anyone here own or seen the denon 5803 or av pre/pro scaler in action? is it comparable to any of the other scalers mentioned in this forum other than the gefen?

the reason i ask is because i would like a scaler, but needing to buy both a scaler and receiver, if the denon is good i will go for a one box solution for around the same money.
post #29 of 953
Love my 3808 but Denon is baked if they think people are going to pay 2 1/2 kilobucks for that video scaler. Btw isn't the gefen model merely the Reon-VX while the denon implementation is the full on Realta T2 chipset?
post #30 of 953
he may be referring to the soon-to-be-released gefen which will have the realta (at $699 MSRP).

here's the thread on it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=983643
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