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Cheap way to get into HD-dvd, no free disc since it is a refurb.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...2?v_c=Shopping

BTW
This is a first generation player. The second gen is avalible and the third gen has been announced. This will play everything fine, just slower to start playing the disc. Plenty of reading available here, if you want to know about all the differences.

I think over the next few months we will see many HD-DVD players drop below $200 but, right now this is the lowest price I have seen.