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post #31 of 55
1/18/08 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by wotg View Post

good styling and best of all two HDMI out.

Is it known if they are both live or switched like most pre-pros & receivers with 2 HDMI outs? One would be the input to the 11a, so maybe sound on one, video out on other or some combination of that and 2nd switchable monitor.

It will be good to see how far Fajouda has advanced after being dusted by the competition more recently. I wonder how it compares to Qdeo?
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post #32 of 55
1/19/08 at 7:58am
That`s a good question. I`ll have to ask the salesperson.
2xHDMI out was the big sellingpoint on my part.
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post #33 of 55
1/23/08 at 11:28am
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f***it i`m getting one annyways. I`m sick and tired of switching HDMI cables back and forth between my tv and projector.
To me 11V looks like a sweet machine with lots of HDMi innputs, good styling and best of all two HDMI out.

Cary has not released an 11V manual yet, but with the announcement of the new 11A with hdmi abilities and the removal of the proprietary Cary link (in the new 11A) I suspect that one of the hdmi outs from the 11V will be used up connecting to the 11A.
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post #34 of 55
1/23/08 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

Cary has not released an 11V manual yet, but with the announcement of the new 11A with hdmi abilities and the removal of the proprietary Cary link (in the new 11A) I suspect that one of the hdmi outs from the 11V will be used up connecting to the 11A.

I can't help but think this an odd way to have things set up to me, 2 HDMI outputs where one will be used to transfer bitstream to the new 11a which means one monitor (say Plasma) will be feeding off the Audio unit and another (say projector) will be feeding off the Video unit...seems like a possible recipe for lip synch errors for one source - maybe.

Curious
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post #35 of 55
1/24/08 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by Curious George View Post

I can't help but think this an odd way to have things set up to me, 2 HDMI outputs where one will be used to transfer bitstream to the new 11a which means one monitor (say Plasma) will be feeding off the Audio unit and another (say projector) will be feeding off the Video unit...seems like a possible recipe for lip synch errors for one source - maybe.

Curious

Another likely reason contributing to delay in release of the 11V. I would think that the QC of the FW on these pieces must be a doozie!
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post #36 of 55
1/24/08 at 4:59am
I am trying to understand why this product would be better then video processors from dedicated processor companies (DVDO,Lumagen, Radiance, etc.).

Cary made it's name in tube audio amps and pre amps. What is their expertise in video processors? Are they OEMing this box?

Thanks
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post #37 of 55
1/24/08 at 6:30am
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I am trying to understand why this product would be better then video processors from dedicated processor companies (DVDO,Lumagen, Radiance, etc.).

Cary made it's name in tube audio amps and pre amps. What is their expertise in video processors? Are they OEMing this box?

Thanks


Their award winning DVD-7 is known as one of the best SD DVD Players at any price. It's predecessor, the DVD-6 had the same reputation. The Cary guys know video as well as audio.

Disclaimer: Cary Dealer Since 2003
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post #38 of 55
1/25/08 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by Curious George View Post

I can't help but think this an odd way to have things set up to me, 2 HDMI outputs where one will be used to transfer bitstream to the new 11a which means one monitor (say Plasma) will be feeding off the Audio unit and another (say projector) will be feeding off the Video unit...seems like a possible recipe for lip synch errors for one source - maybe.

Curious

Since your pm on these outputs Curious ; I had another read of the 11v pdf and the chip [which has dual outputs] also has adjustable lip synch for each I think [ if the diagram is accurate]
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post #39 of 55
1/25/08 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodynamics View Post

Their award winning DVD-7 is known as one of the best SD DVD Players at any price. It's predecessor, the DVD-6 had the same reputation. The Cary guys know video as well as audio.

Disclaimer: Cary Dealer Since 2003

cant comment on the dvd6/7 but the cary DVD8 player
http://www.caryaudio.com/products/cinema/DVD8.html

is infact an oppo under the skin.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/i...6894#msg376894

though I imagine video processors are a different kettle of fish..
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post #40 of 55
1/25/08 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

cant comment on the dvd6/7 but the cary DVD8 player
http://www.caryaudio.com/products/cinema/DVD8.html

is infact an oppo under the skin.

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/i...6894#msg376894

though I imagine video processors are a different kettle of fish..

And the DVD-8 uses the exact same remote as the Oppo. This does not make the players identical.

When my company had received our first DVD-8 I was appalled by the similarities with the Oppo. I thought to myself that no one will want a $1,200.00 DVD-8 if they can buy the Oppo for $229.00. After speaking with Cary, I learned that in order to introduce a more cost effective model, they had to keep development costs under control. They did so by optimizing and improving upon an existing, proven OEM platform. Cary happens to be using the same OEM platform and Sanyo Drive unit as the Oppo.

Even though the DVD-8 is not a ground up, in house design, through methodical tweaking, the use of better parts where it counts the most and a better power supply, Cary has managed to build one heck of a good player. The DVD-8 offers an overall smoother musical presentation, free of the Oppo's sibilance.

In December, a client of mine thought the Cary was the same as the Oppo and tried to save money by purchasing the Oppo. He came back later and purchased a DVD-8. I was nice about the whole thing and gave him $175.00 for his Oppo 981 HD as a trade in credit. If anyone wants the 981 HD PM me.

I'll bet the modded Oppo in your link, is a big improvement over the standard design?


The 35 lb. Cary DVD-7 is a proprietary design and in a different league than the DVD-8. At $4k MSRP there's more money for R&D and higher quality components than in a $1,200 player. It's surprising that even with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD there's still a strong market for high end upscaling DVD players, even pricey ones! I haven't seen Denon discontinue any of the big boys yet.
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post #41 of 55
1/25/08 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Audiodynamics View Post

And the DVD-8 uses the exact same remote as the Oppo. This does not make the players identical.

When my company had received our first DVD-8 I was appalled by the similarities with the Oppo. I thought to myself that no one will want a $1,200.00 DVD-8 if they can buy the Oppo for $229.00. After speaking with Cary, I learned that in order to introduce a more cost effective model, they had to keep development costs under control. They did so by optimizing and improving upon an existing, proven OEM platform. Cary happens to be using the same OEM platform and Sanyo Drive unit as the Oppo.

Even though the DVD-8 is not a ground up, in house design, through methodical tweaking, the use of better parts where it counts the most and a better power supply, Cary has managed to build one heck of a good player. The DVD-8 offers an overall smoother musical presentation, free of the Oppo's sibilance.

In December, a client of mine thought the Cary was the same as the Oppo and tried to save money by purchasing the Oppo. He came back later and purchased a DVD-8. I was nice about the whole thing and gave him $175.00 for his Oppo 981 HD as a trade in credit. If anyone wants the 981 HD PM me.

I'll bet the modded Oppo in your link, is a big improvement over the standard design?


The 35 lb. Cary DVD-7 is a proprietary design and in a different league than the DVD-8. At $4k MSRP there's more money for R&D and higher quality components than in a $1,200 player. It's surprising that even with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD there's still a strong market for high end upscaling DVD players, even pricey ones! I haven't seen Denon discontinue any of the big boys yet.

a picture (or two in this case) speak a thousand words as they say audiod.

The oppos is well known for its video ability as is for CD and other audio ability which many rave about and for a unit at its cost is amazing enough. I think Kal Rubinson of Stereophile does own one, he mentions it often. I dont own one myself, but have had it over courtesy of a friend when we compared a few dvd players including my own denon on my system. As with anything including video processors as is the case here, I'd urge anyone considering any of the items to actually checkout for themselves. To form their own opinions and make their own value judgements rather than from just the badge on the box or what others might say...
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post #42 of 55
1/26/08 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by alebonau View Post

As with anything including video processors as is the case here, I'd urge anyone considering any of the items to actually checkout for themselves. To form their own opinions and make their own value judgements rather than from just the badge on the box or what others might say...

Agreed 100%

The proof is in the Demo.

Any educated consumer should always see and hear for themselves before putting their money on the table. Too many are swayed by trends or opinion (and price), rather than taking the time to get a demo and see what's best for their needs.
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post #43 of 55
1/29/08 at 3:41am
So, the question still remains: Is Cary building the new Cinema 11V from the bottom up as an entirely new video scaler/processor unit?

Is it going to be a DVD 7 original or a DVD 8 copy?

I have one on order and I am beginning to wonder why.
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post #44 of 55
1/29/08 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

So, the question still remains: Is Cary building the new Cinema 11V from the bottom up as an entirely new video scaler/processor unit?

Is it going to be a DVD 7 original or a DVD 8 copy?

I have one on order and I am beginning to wonder why.

Since the 11v is based on the brand new, previously un-released Faroudja scaling engine, I'll let you decide if it's a ground up design.
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post #45 of 55
1/29/08 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Audiodynamics View Post

Since the 11v is based on the brand new, previously un-released Faroudja scaling engine, I'll let you decide if it's a ground up design.

If Cary finally releases the 11V this week as promised, I might be able to decide if it's a ground up design.

Has Cary informed you if they are releasing 11V's this week as expected?
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post #46 of 55
1/29/08 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by gostan View Post

If Cary finally releases the 11V this week as promised, I might be able to decide if it's a ground up design.

Has Cary informed you if they are releasing 11V's this week as expected?


We are all eagerly awaiting this piece. I will know they have actually been released when UPS delivers them.
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post #47 of 55
1/29/08 at 9:02am
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Do you know for certain if the 11v will have SDI input or not?
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post #48 of 55
1/29/08 at 9:27am
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Do you know for certain if the 11v will have SDI input or not?

NOT!
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post #49 of 55
1/30/08 at 8:27am
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NOT!

BUMMER!
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post #50 of 55
1/30/08 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by mdrew View Post

BUMMER!

I know!

Since I've sold my Crystallio II, I am no longer able to get a great picture from my SDI modded Sony 777 ES 400 Disc Changer. It only has component outs. Fortunately, the Sony is only used for easy access to all of my Kid's movies and TV shows on DVD. They can't tell the difference.

Early in the 11V's development, while it was still a possibilty, I suggested HD-SDI to Cary's Gregg Dunn. It didn't happen.

If the 11V does a stellar job of scaling and de-interlacing a 480i HDMI signal, that's the next closest thing to SDI.
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post #51 of 55
4/13/08 at 10:00am
Has this unit reached the hands of those waiting for it?
Any comments on it's video performance?
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post #52 of 55
5/1/08 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Has this unit reached the hands of those waiting for it?
Any comments on it's video performance?

yes, anyone?
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post #53 of 55
11/24/08 at 3:03am
Ok, now that the Cary Cinema 11a has been released, and units are slowly finding their ways to those that have placed orders for them, there should be some traction now for the Cinema 11v video processor. Has anyone heard anything?
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post #54 of 55
11/29/08 at 3:39pm
+ $500 you can have a Lumagen Radiance (MSRP that is).
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post #55 of 55
11/30/08 at 10:04am
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+ $500 you can have a Lumagen Radiance (MSRP that is).

I agree with the implication here. The standalone VP market has moved along pretty far since this thing went into development, and that is before you start talking about the specific implementation and Cary's ability to really deliver an outstanding VP solution at that price point. What will be of concern for many people, aesthetics aside, is whether it outperforms the DVDO EDGE. My guess is that it won't, but others will surely put it to the test.
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