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post #6271 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

I like Dolby Pro Logic II myself on my Denon 4311ci, Michael Jackson's Thriller on SACD was quite convincing.
Djoel

I stick with THX modes as my rear surrounds are "collocated" as per THX ASA specs.

Jeff
post #6272 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Jeff,
In all honesty you earlier thoughts regarding "ambiance and presence" on the Friday Night in San Francisco SACD could be misinterpreted. By that I mean the discussion was about a stereo SACD and you did not mention that you were listening to it using a THX Music listening mode. In my opinion using a DSP mode such as the THX Music listening mode will add "ambiance and presence" to just about any SACD or CD. If you think about it you are adding three or five additional speakers which will change the listening experience quite a bit IMO. My thoughts on the Friday Night in San Francisco SACD were in stereo and not using any DSP modes. I have tried listening to a number of stereo SACDs and CDs using different DSP modes. I found I prefer to listen in stereo but thats just my preference. No right or wrong way in that regard smile.gif.
Bill

Bill, I don't think the listening modes add ambiance, at least that's not my impression. (My old Pioneer SR-101 did!) The modes extract ambiance and the more natural and organic the ambiance that is on the recording, the better. But yes, we are into preferences here WRT listening modes and especially with applying them to 2-ch content.

Along with the envelopment from all channels firing, I can achieve a higher SPL, and the subwoofers seem to have more to do in MCH mode. wink.gif

Jeff
post #6273 of 9851
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Bill, I don't think the listening modes add ambiance, at least that's not my impression. (My old Pioneer SR-101 did!) The modes extract ambiance and the more natural and organic the ambiance that is on the recording, the better. But yes, we are into preferences here WRT listening modes and especially with applying them to 2-ch content.
Jeff

Jeff,

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one smile.gif. But I still believe that when offering thoughts on stereo SACDs it would be best to mention you are using 5/7 speakers opposed to just two wink.gif.

Bill
post #6274 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

I like Dolby Pro Logic II myself on my Denon 4311ci, Michael Jackson's Thriller on SACD was quite convincing.
Djoel

I really like the PLIIx mode on the 4311 as well. I like the ability to tweak in the "music" mode and adjust center width.
post #6275 of 9851
Just purchased "The Nightfly" by Donald Fagen. The Japanese SACD.
Sonically sublime.Really enjoying this.
post #6276 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Jeff,
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one smile.gif. But I still believe that when offering thoughts on stereo SACDs it would be best to mention you are using 5/7 speakers opposed to just two wink.gif.
Bill

Well, OK, I can understand that some, ahem .. purists might find that helpful. wink.gif

Jeff
post #6277 of 9851
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

I really like the PLIIx mode on the 4311 as well. I like the ability to tweak in the "music" mode and adjust center width.

I have my rear surrounds collocated as per THX ASA specs, so I stick with THX modes. An upcoming redo of the theater rear will separate them to Dolby/Audyssey/Whomever recommendations,a nd that will allow me to experiment. DTS: NEO (?) is getting a lot of buzz.

Jeff
post #6278 of 9851
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Well, OK, I can understand that some, ahem .. purists might find that helpful. wink.gif
Jeff

Jeff,

I'm far from a purist as I use Audyssey and my sub for stereo music listening. Do you consider someone that likes to listen to stereo music in stereo to be a purist? The point that you are missing is that with a stereo SACD you are "extracting" two channels of ambiance and "creating" three to five more channels of "ambiance". So you could listen to a sub par stereo SACD using a DSP mode and that will totally alter the soundstage and the imaging IMO. The same could be said for someone that comments that they felt Roxy Music's Avalon SACD didn't sound that great. But in their thoughts they forgot to mention they listened to Avalon in stereo not in multichannel wink.gif.

Bill
post #6279 of 9851
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

I like the ability to tweak in the "music" mode and adjust center width.


Hmm, I gotta try that and see if I like it. Thanks bud

Dan
post #6280 of 9851
Bill, perhaps we are down to semantics? Or maybe your or my understanding is incorrect? As far as I know. a good algorithm isn't creating any content like DSP modes such as "Jazz Hall" or "Night Club" etc, etc would, and I don't consider "extracting" to be a negative. So, I am not missing your point, I simply don't agree with it.

I take your point that mentioning applying a listening mode to stereo content could be helpful when commenting on how it sounds. As for someone downmixing MCH to stereo and then saying it sounded bad/flat/whatever, I don't know that I would ever think to ask them that.

Yes, I would consider someone who listens to stereo content in stereo on a surround system to be a purist. But for me, "purist" carries only good connotations.

Jeff
post #6281 of 9851
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

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Bill, perhaps we are down to semantics? Or maybe your or my understanding is incorrect? As far as I know. a good algorithm isn't creating any content like DSP modes such as "Jazz Hall" or "Night Club" etc, etc would, and I don't consider "extracting" to be a negative. So, I am not missing your point, I simply don't agree with it.

Jeff,

Point taken and my apologies for implying that you missed my point.

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I take your point that mentioning applying a listening mode to stereo content could be helpful when commenting on how it sounds.

Thanks for understanding where I was coming from.

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As for someone downmixing MCH to stereo and then saying it sounded bad/flat/whatever, I don't know that I would ever think to ask them that.

Actually I meant listening to the stereo layer of the Avalon SACD. In essence they would be missing the biggest reason for owning the Avalon SACD that being the multichannel layer.

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Yes, I would consider someone who listens to stereo content in stereo on a surround system to be a purist. But for me, "purist" carries only good connotations.

Cool smile.gif. Then I guess then I would be a purist. But due to peer pressure I will be giving PLxII another shot.

Bill
post #6282 of 9851
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

An upcoming redo of the theater rear will separate them to Dolby/Audyssey/Whomever recommendations

It's interesting (or frustrating) how different these "guidelines" can be.
post #6283 of 9851
Bill, MCH SACD's have STEREO layers? eek.gif
post #6284 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Cool smile.gif. Then I guess then I would be a purist. But due to peer pressure I will be giving PLxII another shot.
Bill

It's if I refer to you as an "audiophile" you should be offended. wink.gif
post #6285 of 9851
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

It's interesting (or frustrating) how different these "guidelines" can be.

And expensive too as it has lead me to having two different pair of surrounds that I manually swap (and load individual Audyssey calibrations) for Hi-res MCH music and movies/concert videos.

Jeff
post #6286 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

But due to peer pressure I will be giving PLxII another shot.

C'mon Bill-everybody's doing it smile.gif.
post #6287 of 9851
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Bill, MCH SACD's have STEREO layers? eek.gif

Jeff,

Don't believe it. I heard it is just another vicious audio rumour biggrin.gif.

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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

It's if I refer to you as an "audiophile" you should be offended. wink.gif

I hear you there. I just don't have the room for cable lifts and Shakti Stones maybe some day wink.gif.
post #6288 of 9851
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

C'mon Bill-everybody's doing it smile.gif.

Steve,

The next time I have a listening session I'll be "doing it" for sure. I'll post my impressions when I do smile.gif. I'm a fine example for my 14 year old as far as peer pressure goes wink.gif.

Bill
post #6289 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

The next time I have a listening session I'll be "doing it" for sure. I'll post my impressions when I do smile.gif. I'm a fine example for my 14 year old as far as peer pressure goes wink.gif.

Maybe try "doing it" with the Pink Floyd/Animals redbook smile.gif. In all seriousness, a fun experiment is to listen to the difference between PLIIx on a 2-channel disc and the discrete MCH mix of that same disc. Try not to necessarily compare overall SQ between the two but the difference in the mix. Some info below specifically about the "music" mode:

Music mode has the added feature of allowing you to adjust the audio for your specific preferences and environment with three additional user controls:


Dolby Center Width lets you control the balance of the main vocals in the center and front channels for more natural sound.

Dolby Panorama creates a seamless, wraparound surround effect.

Dolby Dimension lets you adjust for a deeper or shallower surround soundfield depending on the size of your listening environment.

Edited by holt7153 - 11/5/12 at 6:52pm
post #6290 of 9851
I find PLII Music (adjusted to my taste) an effective way of getting MCH audio from 2CH sources about 95% of the time. Every once in a while, I come across a song or whole album that does not sound very good (almost as if the algorithm gets "confused") but it is my default setting for listening to music in the HT room. For straight 2 channel, I go to the living room system. Best of both worlds, really.\

Still, a discrete MCH mix bests any PLII matrix of a 2CH mix in every case I've made a direct comparison (with one exception--the MCH mix of Shaman by Santana on DVD-A is not well-done at all, IMO. It's the only time I've encountered a discrete MCH mix that I did not prefer to the 2CH).
post #6291 of 9851
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

Maybe try "doing it" with the Pink Floyd/Animals redbook smile.gif


Steve you're using the redbook gate way approach huh! biggrin.gif

Dan
post #6292 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Ovation View Post

I find PLII Music (adjusted to my taste) an effective way of getting MCH audio from 2CH sources about 95% of the time. Every once in a while, I come across a song or whole album that does not sound very good (almost as if the algorithm gets "confused") but it is my default setting for listening to music in the HT room. For straight 2 channel, I go to the living room system. Best of both worlds, really.\
Still, a discrete MCH mix bests any PLII matrix of a 2CH mix in every case I've made a direct comparison (with one exception--the MCH mix of Shaman by Santana on DVD-A is not well-done at all, IMO. It's the only time I've encountered a discrete MCH mix that I did not prefer to the 2CH).



What AVR/ Processor are you using? Oh and I agree, I was surprise how great it sounds with some disc.

Dan
post #6293 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Reeltrooper View Post

Just purchased "The Nightfly" by Donald Fagen. The Japanese SACD.
Sonically sublime.Really enjoying this.

I'm listening to my redbook version of "The Nightfly" right now in PLII Music mode in anticipation of the DVD-A version that should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday. This is one album that has never grown old on me and I think it's going to be a whole "New Frontier" wink.gif when I hear this in surround on the new format!
post #6294 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Ovation View Post

I find PLII Music (adjusted to my taste) an effective way of getting MCH audio from 2CH sources about 95% of the time.

I've just recently started using PLII for 2CH music (Anthem MRX-500/Oppo 93). I'm feeling a little guilty as I've always considered myself a musical purist, but lately it's just more fun to listen to music this way, especially after recently shelling out money on the following MCH recordings (2-ch seems light in comparison):

David Gilmour, "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" (blu-ray)
Jeff Beck, "Live at Ronnie Scotts" (blu-ray)
Rush, "Snakes and Arrows Live" (blu-ray)
Steven Wilson, "Get All You Deserve" (blu-ray)
Norah Jones, "Come Away With Me" (m-ch SACD)
Porcupine Tree, "Fear of a Blank Planet" (DVD-A)
Patricia Barber, "Modern Cool" (blu-ray) My reference blu-ray!
Sara K., "Made in the Shade" (blu-ray)
Lee Ritenour, "Overtime" (blu-ray)
Dire Straits, "Brothers In Arms" (m-ch SACD)

Throw in about a half-dozen stereo SACD's I've purchased in the last 2 months and it's starting to look like an addiction.

All the above purchased since mid-August biggrin.gif

Oh...And I forgot..Today the 40th Anniversary "Thick as a Brick" arrived!
Edited by scirica - 11/5/12 at 7:15pm
post #6295 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Steve you're using the redbook gate way approach huh! biggrin.gif

Just give 'em a taste, Dan-they'll be back biggrin.gif
post #6296 of 9851
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

I'm listening to my redbook version of "The Nightfly" right now in PLII Music mode in anticipation of the DVD-A version that should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday. This is one album that has never grown old on me and I think it's going to be a whole "New Frontier" wink.gif when I hear this in surround on the new format!

Interesting, I didn't know this had come out. Guess I'm behind the times...Can you post your findings here? Now I'm wondering if I should buy this disk as well.

I agree, this album stays fresh over time.
Edited by Reeltrooper - 11/6/12 at 9:13am
post #6297 of 9851
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Originally Posted by Reeltrooper View Post

Interesting, I didn't know this had come out. Guess I'm behind the times...Can you post your findings here? Now I'm wondering if I should buy this disk as well.
I agree, this album stays fresh over time.

You and me are both behind the times. This was apparently released in 2002! I'll certainly post my findings here!
post #6298 of 9851
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

You and me are both behind the times. This was apparently released in 2002! I'll certainly post my findings here!

I.G.Y. on DVD-A is superb.

BTW, if you can get your hands on any of the OOP Steely Dan DVD-A's, I think you will enjoy them immensely. To me, Steely Dan was meant for hi res mch .... the only way I listen to them nowadays.
post #6299 of 9851
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

I.G.Y. on DVD-A is superb.
BTW, if you can get your hands on any of the OOP Steely Dan DVD-A's, I think you will enjoy them immensely. To me, Steely Dan was meant for hi res mch .... the only way I listen to them nowadays.

I am certainly on the lookout for the Steely Dan titles on DVD-A. Probably not too many people looking to sell though!
post #6300 of 9851
Amazon shows 2 Gaucho SACD left at $32. And is selling the DVD-A version for $17.50.
Edited by pepar - 11/6/12 at 10:46am
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