or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Surround Music Formats › What are your most recent Hi-Res purchases?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What are your most recent Hi-Res purchases? - Page 266

post #7951 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by tochtgenoot View Post

I read that Dire Straits' 'Brothers in arms' (and so many other albums) really shine on SACD. I do not own a SACD compatible player, but I do own an Olive 04HD that can play high res files. Are these SACD's also downloadable as high res files (e.g. flac)? I cannot find most albums on sites like hdtracks or linn.com. Any suggestions?



Hi, I have the BIA SACD and it does sound very good. Although you can download a high res version on different sites I do not believe any site is doing multi channel downloads, I don't want to hand out misinformation so correct me if I'm wrong guys.
post #7952 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

Hi, I have the BIA SACD and it does sound very good. Although you can download a high res version on different sites I do not believe any site is doing multi channel downloads, I don't want to hand out misinformation so correct me if I'm wrong guys.

I believe you are correct in that there are no HD download sites that do multichannel music. But I'm not very familiar with downloading music so I'm not positive either. I know sites like HD Tracks are very popular but I prefer the shiny discs to downloading music. But until sites like HD Tracks offer multichannel music then SACDs, DVD-As or Bluray-Audio are the better way to go IMO. It appears that downloading music is the future and physical media might be a thing of the past in the near future. But I'm old school so I'll hold out as long as I can smile.gif.

Bill
post #7953 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I believe you are correct in that there are no HD download sites that do multichannel music. But I'm not very familiar with downloading music so I'm not positive either. I know sites like HD Tracks are very popular but I prefer the shiny discs to downloading music. But until sites like HD Tracks offer multichannel music then SACDs, DVD-As or Bluray-Audio are the better way to go IMO. It appears that downloading music is the future and physical media might be a thing of the past in the near future. But I'm old school so I'll hold out as long as I can smile.gif.

Bill

I also strongly prefer discs to downloads, but I am limited for SACD's as I do not have a SACD compatible player...
Other solution could be to buy SACD and rip the tracks myself. Are there good budget SACD compatible disc drives for mac that would allow me to do that?

Thanks again,
Tom
post #7954 of 9851
Just bought:

Yes - Going For The One AF SACD

This is another Steve Hoffman mastered Audio Fidelity SACD. From what I have read the SQ of this SACD is supposed to be excellent smile.gif. I bought the GFTO SACD from importcds for $23.18 shipped.

Bill
post #7955 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Just bought:

Yes - Going For The One AF SACD

This is another Steve Hoffman mastered Audio Fidelity SACD. From what I have read the SQ of this SACD is supposed to be excellent smile.gif. I bought the GFTO SACD from importcds for $23.18 shipped.

Bill

Damn you Bill...damn you...
post #7956 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by tochtgenoot View Post

I also strongly prefer discs to downloads, but I am limited for SACD's as I do not have a SACD compatible player...
Other solution could be to buy SACD and rip the tracks myself. Are there good budget SACD compatible disc drives for mac that would allow me to do that?

Thanks again,
Tom

Tom,

The only affordable way to rip the SACD layer (digitally) that I know of is using a PS3 that has SACD capability with a certain FW. From what I have read finding one of these specific PS3's isn't easy. These PS3's are fairly expensive and one has no guarantee on how long they will work. I would suggest buying an inexpensive SACD player as there are a few that are available out there. If you think you might also get into DVD-As and Bluray Audio you could look for a universal player. There are a number of universal players out there at different price points. I would suggest players from Oppo either new or used.

Bill
post #7957 of 9851
Just bought Yes - Fragile (Warner - Japan). It's all Bill's fault!
post #7958 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I believe you are correct in that there are no HD download sites that do multichannel music. But I'm not very familiar with downloading music so I'm not positive either. I know sites like HD Tracks are very popular but I prefer the shiny discs to downloading music. But until sites like HD Tracks offer multichannel music then SACDs, DVD-As or Bluray-Audio are the better way to go IMO. It appears that downloading music is the future and physical media might be a thing of the past in the near future. But I'm old school so I'll hold out as long as I can smile.gif.

Bill



We're in the same boat Bill I hope I never have to resort to all downloads, I love my shiny discs biggrin.gif
post #7959 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by tochtgenoot View Post

I read that Dire Straits' 'Brothers in arms' (and so many other albums) really shine on SACD. I do not own a SACD compatible player, but I do own an Olive 04HD that can play high res files. Are these SACD's also downloadable as high res files (e.g. flac)? I cannot find most albums on sites like hdtracks or linn.com. Any suggestions?

There are questions about just how "hi def" "HD"Tracks really is. And are any of them multichannel? I thought they were only 2 channel.

Really, the only way to get SACD content is on SACD.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 6/26/13 at 8:08am
post #7960 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Tom,

The only affordable way to rip the SACD layer (digitally) that I know of is using a PS3 that has SACD capability with a certain FW. From what I have read finding one of these specific PS3's isn't easy. These PS3's are fairly expensive and one has no guarantee on how long they will work. I would suggest buying an inexpensive SACD player as there are a few that are available out there. If you think you might also get into DVD-As and Bluray Audio you could look for a universal player. There are a number of universal players out there at different price points. I would suggest players from Oppo either new or used.

Bill

The "proper" PS3 (SACD compatible and firmware not advanced past 3.55) are somewhat difficult to find. It has been a while since I have been in the market for one, but I have two and have assisted others in locating them on eBay. Typically, they cost $200-$300. They are somewhat fragile in that they can develop the Yellow Line Of Death (YLOD). So, once one has found and modded one, they are best used only for ripping. If one needs a PS3 for other things, then any of them will work.

The two top Oppo players will now read/stream from attached USB storage MULTICHANNEL DSD files. DSD is the native SACD format and is what is extracted from the ISO that is ripped from SACD in the above mentioned process.

Jeff
post #7961 of 9851
I would pick up a couple of the YES albums in a second but I'm not very interested in buying stereo releases.
post #7962 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

I would pick up a couple of the YES albums in a second but I'm not very interested in buying stereo releases.

Yes smile.gif , to my ears, MCH Fragile has better sound quality than the newer (and only remastered) Close To The Edge in spite of the fact that CTTE is a newer recording. Fragile is cleaner, clearer and slightly more dynamic.

Jeff
post #7963 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes smile.gif , to my ears, MCH Fragile has better sound quality than the newer (and only remastered) Close To The Edge in spite of the fact that CTTE is a newer recording. Fragile is cleaner, clearer and slightly more dynamic.

Jeff

That is what my ears are looking forward to. I know one reviewer on the SACD site really bashed the mix, but others were very complimentary to the sound quality. Given that I only had this on vinyl in the past and never on CD, I'm looking forward to a new listen to an old favorite. smile.gif
post #7964 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

There are questions about just how "hi def" "HD"Tracks really is. And are any of them multichannel? I thought they were only 2 channel.

Really, the only way to get SACD content is on SACD.

Jeff
Not really true. There are true DSD downloads, I believe the file format is .dff and there is another.
These are also available in MCH.
post #7965 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes smile.gif , to my ears, MCH Fragile has better sound quality than the newer (and only remastered) Close To The Edge in spite of the fact that CTTE is a newer recording. Fragile is cleaner, clearer and slightly more dynamic.

Jeff
I've got to disagree with this one.
I have both the Fragile DVD-A and the CTTE SACD.
post #7966 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Not really true. There are true DSD downloads, I believe the file format is .dff and there is another.
These are also available in MCH.



Where are these available Milt?
post #7967 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

Not really true. There are true DSD downloads, I believe the file format is .dff and there is another.
These are also available in MCH.

Direct Stream Digital was co-developed by Sony and Philips. DSF is Sony's version of the format and DFF is Philips'. There are very minor differences, with DSF supporting meta-tagging. There are no sonic differences. (Though I have never tried it, someone has posted that he can change the format extension of one and it becomes the other.) Once an SACD has been ripped (unencrypted), either DSF or DFF can be extracted.

The (legal) downloads you refer to are not SACD's. They are either recorded with DSD - some independent studios do that - or they are converted from PCM. Please link me to any that are not original small indy productions and are MCH. I am not aware of any.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 6/26/13 at 1:59pm
post #7968 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I've got to disagree with this one.
I have both the Fragile DVD-A and the CTTE SACD.

Me, too, and we will agree to disagree. smile.gif

edit: you are comparing the MCH Fragile mix to CTTE, aren't you? The stereo Fragile is not remixed. It might be remastered, or it might just be upconverted.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 6/26/13 at 2:02pm
post #7969 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Yes smile.gif , to my ears, MCH Fragile has better sound quality than the newer (and only remastered) Close To The Edge in spite of the fact that CTTE is a newer recording. Fragile is cleaner, clearer and slightly more dynamic.

Jeff

I find comparing the multichannel layer of one title to the stereo layer of another title is not a very good basis for a comparison. I mean how can a stereo recording compare to a multichannel recording when you have three additional speakers in play plus the sub (if not used with the stereo recording).

I have the Fragile SACD and I wasn't overly impressed with the multichannel mix when compared to other multichannel discs. An interesting comparison would be the Fragile multichannel mix to the upcoming multichannel mix of Close to the Edge by Steven Wilson.

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?17799-Yes-Close-to-the-Edge-5-1-in-October&p=182875&viewfull=1#post182875

Bill
post #7970 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I find comparing the multichannel layer of one title to the stereo layer of another title is not a very good basis for a comparison. I mean how can a stereo recording compare to a multichannel recording when you have three additional speakers in play plus the sub (if not used with the stereo recording).

I have the Fragile SACD and I wasn't overly impressed with the multichannel mix when compared to other multichannel discs. An interesting comparison would be the Fragile multichannel mix to the upcoming multichannel mix of Close to the Edge by Steven Wilson.

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?17799-Yes-Close-to-the-Edge-5-1-in-October&p=182875&viewfull=1#post182875

Bill
I can see how it might be an odd thing to compare a stereo mix of one title to the multichannel mix of another, but more channels/speakers don't change the transparency or dynamics of the sound. Add a listening mode if you need all of the channels working; the *mixes* are not being compared.

A MCH mix of CTTE will certainly be easier to compare to Fragile's MCH mix. But I have no doubt that is will be stunning and better sounding.

An even more revealing comparison would be a REMIXED STEREO CTTE to compare to the current stereo CTTE SACD. But I have no doubt that it would be stunning and better sounding as well.

BTW, this started with weekendtoy's post and not me trying to stir up controversy.

Jeff
Edited by pepar - 6/26/13 at 3:46pm
post #7971 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I find comparing the multichannel layer of one title to the stereo layer of another title is not a very good basis for a comparison. I mean how can a stereo recording compare to a multichannel recording when you have three additional speakers in play plus the sub (if not used with the stereo recording).

I have the Fragile SACD and I wasn't overly impressed with the multichannel mix when compared to other multichannel discs. An interesting comparison would be the Fragile multichannel mix to the upcoming multichannel mix of Close to the Edge by Steven Wilson.

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?17799-Yes-Close-to-the-Edge-5-1-in-October&p=182875&viewfull=1#post182875

Bill

Mark your calendars...This will be epic. I wonder if I should just do a "return to sender" when my Fragile SACD shows up on Friday. It will be worthless once this SW mix is released! Wait...getting my albums mixed up. I did however buy the recent CTTE SACD release. I can't believe there are multiple releases of the same albums coming out from different sources. Doesn't YES have any control over their music??
post #7972 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I find comparing the multichannel layer of one title to the stereo layer of another title is not a very good basis for a comparison. I mean how can a stereo recording compare to a multichannel recording when you have three additional speakers in play plus the sub (if not used with the stereo recording).

I have the Fragile SACD and I wasn't overly impressed with the multichannel mix when compared to other multichannel discs. An interesting comparison would be the Fragile multichannel mix to the upcoming multichannel mix of Close to the Edge by Steven Wilson.

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?17799-Yes-Close-to-the-Edge-5-1-in-October&p=182875&viewfull=1#post182875

Bill



Do they sell discs on that site or is it just a community?
post #7973 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Quote:
I can see how it might be an odd thing to compare a stereo mix of one title to the multichannel mix of another, but more channels/speakers don't change the transparency or dynamics of the sound. Add a listening mode if you need all of the channels working; the *mixes* are not being compared.

I totally disagree that more channels do not change the overall transparency or dynamics of the sound. How about a mono recording to a stereo one? Adding a listening mode to a stereo recording doesn't make the comparison any better IMO. By that I mean you would have one title that is mixed specifically for multichannel and one that is stereo with the addition of a DSP listening mode. You have said earlier in this thread that you did not think lossy recordings were as good as lossless recordings. But here you are suggesting adding a DSP listening mode to a stereo recording to compare it to a multichannel recording.
Quote:
A MCH mix of CTTE will certainly be easier to compare to Fragile's MCH mix. But I have no doubt that is will be stunning and better sounding.

On this I agree with you.
Quote:
An even more revealing comparison would be a REMIXED STEREO CTTE to compare to the current stereo CTTE SACD. But I have no doubt that it would be stunning and better sounding as well.

I agree that this will be an excellent comparison.
Quote:
BTW, this started with weekendtoy's post and not me trying to stir up controversy.

I don't think you are trying to stir up anything with your earlier post just giving your opinion. I just can't understand how you can think adding more speakers does not effect the overall SQ of the two titles you compared. Especially when the comparison you made was of two totally different titles. To me it is like comparing a multichannel processor to stereo preamp.

Bill

Edited by Bill Mac - 6/26/13 at 6:23pm
post #7974 of 9851
Here are some interesting thoughts from over at quadraphonicquad.com on the Fragile 5.1 mix wink.gif.

Yeah, I hope they redo the Fragile disc! That was one of those circa early 2000 DVD's that had the 5.1 remix that was cranked out by some intern. Basically a bad stereo mix in front with gallons of awful reverb in the back.

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?17799-Yes-Close-to-the-Edge-5-1-in-October&p=182875&viewfull=1#post182875

Bill
post #7975 of 9851
Bill-

The bolded quote above is referring to the Fragile DVD-A, correct?
post #7976 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

Bill-

The bolded quote above is referring to the Fragile DVD-A, correct?

Steve,

Yes it is in reference to the Fragile DVD-A. I believe the DVD-A and the SACD have the same 5.1 mix.

Bill
post #7977 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Mark your calendars...This will be epic. I wonder if I should just do a "return to sender" when my Fragile SACD shows up on Friday. It will be worthless once this SW mix is released! Wait...getting my albums mixed up. I did however buy the recent CTTE SACD release. I can't believe there are multiple releases of the same albums coming out from different sources. Doesn't YES have any control over their music??

It's not unusual for the artist to control the multichannel tapes while a label has the rights to a master.

But YES, mark your calendars! Might even have to go out and cut some shrooms.

Jeff
post #7978 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Steve,

Yes it is in reference to the Fragile DVD-A. I believe the DVD-A and the SACD have the same 5.1 mix.

Bill
Yes, they do.
post #7979 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I don't think you are trying to stir up anything with your earlier post just giving your opinion. I just can't understand how you can think adding more speakers does not effect the overall SQ of the two titles you compared. Especially when the comparison you made was of two totally different titles. To me it is like comparing a multichannel processor to stereo preamp.

Bill

Do you think adding more channels:

Increases the frequency bandwidth, i.e. extends the bass lower and the highs higher?

Changes the signal-to-noise ratio?

Changes the rise time, i.e. attack on percussives?

Jeff
post #7980 of 9851
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Do you think adding more channels:

Increases the frequency bandwidth, i.e. extends the bass lower and the highs higher?

Changes the signal-to-noise ratio?

Changes the rise time, i.e. attack on percussives?

Jeff

I would say the bass would be lower with a 5.1 recording over a stereo recording because of the LFE channel. Wouldn't you? But the main point is that you are comparing one title in 5.1 and the other in 2.0 or 2.1. In all honesty how can you say that it is a valid comparison? On top of that as I said earlier your comparison was of two totally different titles. Seriously how can you not see how flawed the comparison between the 5.1 mix of Fragile and the stereo mix of Close To The Edge really is. It is a basic apples to oranges comparison without a doubt IMO.

Bill
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Surround Music Formats
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Surround Music Formats › What are your most recent Hi-Res purchases?