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post #8521 of 9846
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

... sounds like I am making an argument that could be used to justify STEREO SACD, doesn't it? wink.gif

Jeff

Jeff,

Say it isn't so eek.gif! If you start posting you are buying stereo SACDs I'm really going to be concerned biggrin.gif.

Bill
post #8522 of 9846
Just purchased: "Sacred Feast - Gaudeamus" DMP SACD-09
post #8523 of 9846
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just purchased: "Sacred Feast - Gaudeamus" DMP SACD-09

Steve,

I just got this one and I listened to it this morning. It is the first choral music of any kind I have bought. I must say the SQ of the SACD in surround is excellent. I didn't get a chance to crank it but at moderate levels it sounded very good. Enjoy smile.gif.

Bill
post #8524 of 9846
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Originally Posted by jenkzy56 View Post

I have noticed on the SA-CD dot net site most of the pop/rock titles are stereo hybrid format
I am really digging the multi-channel format at the moment, how do I hone in on just multi- channel titles for now?
Is there a company or site that specializes or offers more of tha format?
AIX records makes all their offerings MCH. Unfortunately the catalog isn't that big and it's mostly jazz and classical and they are DVD-A.
post #8525 of 9846
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

AIX records makes all their offerings MCH. Unfortunately the catalog isn't that big and it's mostly jazz and classical and they are DVD-A.

They are now offering titles on Blu Ray for the most part. MCH with a 2.0 option on the disc as well.
post #8526 of 9846
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

AIX records makes all their offerings MCH. Unfortunately the catalog isn't that big and it's mostly jazz and classical and they are DVD-A.

Thanks for the info
post #8527 of 9846
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just purchased: "Sacred Feast - Gaudeamus" DMP SACD-09

I hope you going to make the effort to play back this disk in the authentic L|C|R|LS|RS plus Center-Overhead (or at least Elevated Center-Surround) 6.0 configuration! biggrin.gif
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post #8528 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

I hope you going to make the effort to play back this disk in the authentic L|C|R|LS|RS plus Center-Overhead (or at least Elevated Center-Surround) 6.0 configuration! biggrin.gif
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Yes, in researching the technical aspects of the recording I'm now trying to figure out how to suspend a full-range tower from my 15 foot ceiling!
post #8529 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

I hope you going to make the effort to play back this disk in the authentic L|C|R|LS|RS plus Center-Overhead (or at least Elevated Center-Surround) 6.0 configuration! biggrin.gif
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How would you even configure this? Are you saying that this disc is supposed to have 2 center channels? I have this disc but have never listened to it. I bought it when my home theater was under construction so I put off listening to it.
post #8530 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

I hope you going to make the effort to play back this disk in the authentic L|C|R|LS|RS plus Center-Overhead (or at least Elevated Center-Surround) 6.0 configuration! biggrin.gif
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I just broke out my copy and it doesn't say "Center-Overhead" it says "Overhead". It states three microphones were used for LCR and three were used for LS-RS-Overhead. I see no way to play this and get the Overhead channel unless it was in DTS-ES 6.1. I can say it is a fine sounding surround recording even though I couldn't hear the "Overhead" channel wink.gif.

Bill
post #8531 of 9846
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I just broke out my copy and it doesn't say "Center-Overhead" it says "Overhead". It states three microphones were used for LCR and three were used for LS-RS-Overhead. I see no way to play this and get the Overhead channel . . . I can say it is a fine sounding surround recording even though I couldn't hear the "Overhead" channel wink.gif. Bill

My thought is that if you have a SACD player equipped with multichannel 5.1 analog RCA outputs and an AVR equipped with 7.1 multichannel analog RCA inputs, you (1) configure the AVR as 6.x, (2) make the L|C|R|LS|RS connections between the player and AVR as usual, (3) connect the player "LFE" output to the AVR "Center Surround" input, and (4) place the "Center Surround" speaker directly behind the MLP, elevated anywhere between +0 and +90 degrees "to taste".

It will be good practice in the event you sometime want to install the "(Back) Center Height" channel in the proposed ETRI-Samsung 10.2 channel Vertical Surround System (10.2-VSS) speaker configuration! biggrin.gif
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Edited by SoundChex - 9/17/13 at 12:11pm
post #8532 of 9846
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I just broke out my copy and it doesn't say "Center-Overhead" it says "Overhead". . . . Bill

When SMPTE 429M admitted a speaker|channel located directly above the MLP, DTS called it Center Over-Head (C-Oh); there are some Dolby Trademark references to a Top Surround (TS) channel . . . and various other entities called it whatever they liked! cool.gif

More recently, NHK appears to have persuaded SMPTE 2036 and IEC 62574 to adopt their (suggested) names from the Hamasaki 22.2 speaker configuration, and to label the speaker Top Center (TpC) . . . and most other entities still seem to call it whatever they want! biggrin.gif
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Edited by SoundChex - 9/17/13 at 1:10pm
post #8533 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

When SMPTE 429M admitted a speaker|channel located directly above the MLP, DTS called it Center Over-Head (C-Oh); there are some Dolby Trademark references to a Top Surround (TS) channel . . . and various other entities called it whatever they liked! cool.gif

More recently, NHK appears to have persuaded SMPTE 2036 and IEC 62574 to adopt their (suggested) names from the Hamasaki 22.2 speaker configuration, and to label the speaker Top Center (TpC) . . . and most other entities still seem to call it whatever they want! biggrin.gif
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I think, generally in the marketplace, it will be more like Top DEAD Center.

Jeff
post #8534 of 9846
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I think, generally in the marketplace, it will be more like Top DEAD Center. Jeff

I suspect you're correct as the only processor currently offering a Top Center speaker option appears to be the ($20,000) Illusonic Immersive Audio Processor: hardly a "mass market" item! Although that must also bode ill for the Auro3D decoders we expect to appear late this year: the already existing audio-only BDs are all reported as being Auro 9.1 configuration (or Aurophonic 8.0 2222+|2222plus), and I've not seen any word on the format we can expect for movie discs (or maximum decoder upmix capabilities...)

Of course, just because there isn't a Top Center speaker present doesn't mean that we don't want encoded discrete Top Center channel content . . . it's possible to virtualize a Top Center speaker using multiple speaker sound projector type technology, or alternatively to do a "best efforts" downmix once the available real speaker configuration is established...
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Edited by SoundChex - 9/17/13 at 2:52pm
post #8535 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

My thought is that if you have a SACD player equipped with multichannel 5.1 analog RCA outputs and an AVR equipped with 7.1 multichannel analog RCA inputs, you (1) configure the AVR as 6.x, (2) make the L|C|R|LS|RS connections between the player and AVR as usual, (3) connect the player "LFE" output to the AVR "Center Surround" input, and (4) place the "Center Surround" speaker directly behind the MLP, elevated anywhere between +0 and +90 degrees "to taste".

It will be good practice in the event you sometime want to install the "(Back) Center Height" channel in the proposed ETRI-Samsung 10.2 channel Vertical Surround System (10.2-VSS) speaker configuration! biggrin.gif
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You would seriously do all this just for one title in 6.0 DSD? That is totally reconfigure your surround sound system every time you listen to this title? No thanks, I'm good smile.gif. I have zero interest in Samsung 10.2 Vertical Surround System. I'm fine with old plain Jane 5.0 for this one wink.gif.

Bill
post #8536 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

When SMPTE 429M admitted a speaker|channel located directly above the MLP, DTS called it Center Over-Head (C-Oh); there are some Dolby Trademark references to a Top Surround (TS) channel . . . and various other entities called it whatever they liked! cool.gif

More recently, NHK appears to have persuaded SMPTE 2036 and IEC 62574 to adopt their (suggested) names from the Hamasaki 22.2 speaker configuration, and to label the speaker Top Center (TpC) . . . and most other entities still seem to call it whatever they want! biggrin.gif
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This could be true. But are any of the references you mention above for DSD?

Bill
post #8537 of 9846
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

You would seriously do all this just for one title in 6.0 DSD? That is totally reconfigure your surround sound system every time you listen to this title? No thanks, I'm good smile.gif

No, but I can only assume that DMP thought some purchasers might...?

Notwithstanding, it takes only about 30 seconds to switch my AVR configuration between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1, and--although I don't use 5.1 multichannel analog inputs (rather DSD over HDMI)--I'm pretty sure I could switch 'channel 6' out of a SACD player between the 'LFE' and 'Center Surround' AVR inputs with one button on a Radio Shack "L+R 2x2-way selector" . . . plus I would just leave 'a powered speaker' in the overhead position.

But you are correct that it's not worth the effort for one SACD, and I believe it's the only one configured that way from DMP (or anyone else!) Additionally, I'd rather wait to see if the variant channel configuration '3D audio' SACDs from Telarc, Chesky and MDG end up being reissued on Pure Audio Blu-ray (channel remapped, if necessary) before I consider a hand built 3D audio setup; unfortunately, the chances of DMP's "Sacred Feast - Gaudeamus" being re-engineered seem small! And equally frustrating is that it seems currently that only the MDG and 2L labels are affirmatively committed to 3D recorded music! (We'll just have to wait to see if UMG's current HFPA 'initiative' changes things...)
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Edited by SoundChex - 9/17/13 at 6:03pm
post #8538 of 9846
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I think, generally in the marketplace, it will be more like Top DEAD Center.

Jeff

Are we talking small block chevy here? wink.gif
post #8539 of 9846
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Originally Posted by WillyJ View Post

Are we talking small block chevy here? wink.gif

You got my reference. smile.gif
post #8540 of 9846
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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

No, but I can only assume that DMP thought some purchasers might...?

Notwithstanding, it takes only about 30 seconds to switch my AVR configuration between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1, and--although I don't use 5.1 multichannel analog inputs (rather DSD over HDMI)--I'm pretty sure I could switch 'channel 6' out of a SACD player between the 'LFE' and 'Center Surround' AVR inputs with one button on a Radio Shack "L+R 2x2-way selector" . . . plus I would just leave 'a powered speaker' in the overhead position.

But you are correct that it's not worth the effort for one SACD, and I believe it's the only one configured that way from DMP (or anyone else!) Additionally, I'd rather wait to see if the variant channel configuration '3D audio' SACDs from Telarc, Chesky and MDG end up being reissued on Pure Audio Blu-ray (channel remapped, if necessary) before I consider a hand built 3D audio setup; unfortunately, the chances of DMP's "Sacred Feast - Gaudeamus" being re-engineered seem small! And equally frustrating is that it seems currently that only the MDG and 2L labels are affirmatively committed to 3D recorded music! (We'll just have to wait to see if UMG's current HFPA 'initiative' changes things...)
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I have two surround speaker configurations that I manually swap connections for, one for multichannel, in-the-band mix hi-res music consisting of monopole surround speakers at 120 degrees that are identical to my LCR. And the other for everything else, e.g. movies, concerts, live TV, consisting of Tripole speakers at 90 degrees. When I switch, I also load the corresponding Audyssey Pro calibration.

Jeff
post #8541 of 9846
Just bought:

Aaron Neville - Nature Boy multi-channel SACD

This SACD has an excellent lineup of musicians. The surround mix was done by Elliot Scheiner so it should sound excellent smile.gif.

Bill
post #8542 of 9846
Very nice! Bill.
post #8543 of 9846
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Very nice! Bill.

Thanks JA smile.gif. I bought this earlier this year at a verrrry good price but it got lost in transit frown.gif. So I grabbed a sealed copy off of ebay for what I thought was a fair price. I look forward to getting it.

Bill
post #8544 of 9846
Today I'm in Genesis heaven. Just received my 1970-1975 SACD/DVD box set. I've listened to a couple of the albums in SACD MCH and watched the 2007 interviews for "Selling England by the Pound". A very impressive set sonically and content-wise. Right now (in the background) I hear "Carpet Crawlers" from Lamb serenading me.

At the same time, I received my previously purchased (ebay) Lamb Lies Down on Broadway from Japan. So now I have two copies of this, both in excellent condition. The Japan release will be going up for sale soon, probably starting with Steve Hoffman classifieds. Need to get some of that cash back!
post #8545 of 9846
Japan release is MCH?
post #8546 of 9846
I'm holding out hope that Steven Wilson does multi-channel remixes of the early Genesis albums (fingers crossed) smile.gif.

Bill
post #8547 of 9846
There are already MCH mixes of the early Genesis albums. Do you think there is a market for another version? Why would Genesis do that when they could do another run of the existing SACDs? New remixes couldn't sound any better (sound quality-wise), IMO. Different maybe, but not better.

Jeff
post #8548 of 9846
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

There are already MCH mixes of the early Genesis albums. Do you think there is a market for another version? Why would Genesis do that when they could do another run of the existing SACDs? New remixes couldn't sound any better (sound quality-wise), IMO. Different maybe, but not better.

Jeff

I would certainly buy a Steven Wilson mix of the material on the other 2 Boxes. The Gabriel Era box is the only one that did not leave me disappointed, probably because Peter Gabriel was actively involved in the mix. Nick Davis made some mixing choices that ruined the other two for me. My experience with the 2 ELP Steven Wilson mixed releases lead me to believe Mr. Wilson would not make the same choices. Palmer’s drums kick butt! Collin’s drums went for a trip to the Vet’s to be neutered. Listen to the 90’s remaster of A Trick of the Tail and then listen to the SACD. The SACD has many positives but the lack of impact by the drums on Dance on a Volcano, Squonk, and Los Endos is just wrong. Unfortunately Mr. Davis felt the original drum sound was dated. Apparently Mr. Collins was too busy to notice or just wanted the $$ to pay for another divorce. So I for one would love a Wilson Mix on DVD-A or Blu-ray.
post #8549 of 9846
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

There are already MCH mixes of the early Genesis albums. Do you think there is a market for another version? Why would Genesis do that when they could do another run of the existing SACDs? New remixes couldn't sound any better (sound quality-wise), IMO. Different maybe, but not better.

Jeff

Jeff,

I believe we have discussed this before and we have differing opinions on this. Sure Genesis could rerelease the exsisting OOP SACDs but that hasn't happened. How do you really know that multi-channel remixes of early Genesis albums can't be improved SQ wise? I have the Trick of the Tail multi-channel SACD and in all honesty it hurts my ears to listen to it. TOTT is one of my favorite Genesis albums and I would welcome a multi-channel Hi-Res remix by Steven Wilson. Maybe you see it as a waste of time but I certainly don't. Plus if early Genesis albums were remixed on Blu-ray or DVD-A they would be much more affordable than the current OOP SACDs.

Bill
post #8550 of 9846
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Jeff,

I believe we have discussed this before and we have differing opinions on this. Sure Genesis could rerelease the exsisting OOP SACDs but that hasn't happened. How do you really know that multi-channel remixes of early Genesis albums can't be improved SQ wise? I have the Trick of the Tail multi-channel SACD and in all honesty it hurts my ears to listen to it. TOTT is one of my favorite Genesis albums and I would welcome a multi-channel Hi-Res remix by Steven Wilson. Maybe you see it as a waste of time but I certainly don't. Plus if early Genesis albums were remixed on Blu-ray or DVD-A they would be much more affordable than the current OOP SACDs.

Bill

My initial reaction to what I've listened of TOTT is pretty damn satisfying. Perhaps that is my system softening the harshness that some have reported. The 70-75 box has a great mix, done by the band with a lot of effort and it shows. I haven't had the pleasure (displeasure?) to listen to the later box set but I've heard it just doesn't compare. I can't see much improvement with a re-mix of 70-75.
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