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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Japan release is MCH?
Yes...It (I believe) is the same as the SACD and DVD (NTSC) that come in the box set. Just comes with more goodies in the packaging. Those japanese love to make those mini-album replicas smile.gif
post #8552 of 9834
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

My initial reaction to what I've listened of TOTT is pretty damn satisfying. Perhaps that is my system softening the harshness that some have reported. The 70-75 box has a great mix, done by the band with a lot of effort and it shows. I haven't had the pleasure (displeasure?) to listen to the later box set but I've heard it just doesn't compare. I can't see much improvement with a re-mix of 70-75.

Steve,

I found the TOTT SACD to be very bright on my system. Almost to the point of hurting my ears. I played it once and that was it for me. I haven't heard the 70-75 box set but I have read the SACDs sound very good. Maybe a remix for the 70-75 box set would be a wash but one never knows. I just welcome the opportunity of a remix so I can get all the 70-75 albums in multi-channel Hi-Res at an affordable cost.

Bill
post #8553 of 9834
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Originally Posted by GZAP1 View Post

I would certainly buy a Steven Wilson mix of the material on the other 2 Boxes. The Gabriel Era box is the only one that did not leave me disappointed, probably because Peter Gabriel was actively involved in the mix. Nick Davis made some mixing choices that ruined the other two for me. My experience with the 2 ELP Steven Wilson mixed releases lead me to believe Mr. Wilson would not make the same choices. Palmer’s drums kick butt! Collin’s drums went for a trip to the Vet’s to be neutered. Listen to the 90’s remaster of A Trick of the Tail and then listen to the SACD. The SACD has many positives but the lack of impact by the drums on Dance on a Volcano, Squonk, and Los Endos is just wrong. Unfortunately Mr. Davis felt the original drum sound was dated. Apparently Mr. Collins was too busy to notice or just wanted the $$ to pay for another divorce. So I for one would love a Wilson Mix on DVD-A or Blu-ray.

We don't know what the original studio engineer and team recorded. Perhaps they were not the technicians that a Don Gehman was/is on drums? Remixers can only preserve what is on the multitrack masters.

I don't know what TTOT I have, and I have never compared original Cd to remastered, so you raise an interesting point.

Jeff
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I just pre-ordered the new Dream Theater CD/DVD-A release that ships next week.
post #8555 of 9834
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Jeff,

I believe we have discussed this before and we have differing opinions on this. Sure Genesis could rerelease the exsisting OOP SACDs but that hasn't happened. How do you really know that multi-channel remixes of early Genesis albums can't be improved SQ wise? I have the Trick of the Tail multi-channel SACD and in all honesty it hurts my ears to listen to it. TOTT is one of my favorite Genesis albums and I would welcome a multi-channel Hi-Res remix by Steven Wilson. Maybe you see it as a waste of time but I certainly don't. Plus if early Genesis albums were remixed on Blu-ray or DVD-A they would be much more affordable than the current OOP SACDs.

Bill

Us? Different opinions?

I am about to go into my theater and will switch to the MCH hi-res system and give TToT another listen.. I do not remember it hurting my ears.

I do NOT see Steven Wilson remixing anything as a waste of time. And I would probably buy one to check the differences. I can't help but think they would be subtle.

Re going forward with today's technology from yesterday's analog multitrack masters, I don't think that there coujld be much difference in the sound quality. Where the cowbell goes, yes. But not the clarity, impact and transparency of the cowbell.

But I could be wrong (adding this to all my heavily opinionated posts). (Expect it a lot.)

Jeff
post #8556 of 9834
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Steve,

I found the TOTT SACD to be very bright on my system. Almost to the point of hurting my ears. I played it once and that was it for me. I haven't heard the 70-75 box set but I have read the SACDs sound very good. Maybe a remix for the 70-75 box set would be a wash but one never knows. I just welcome the opportunity of a remix so I can get all the 70-75 albums in multi-channel Hi-Res at an affordable cost.

Bill
Very interesting Bill. Being a lifelong Genesis fan, $300 was palpable for me, but insane for others for the box set. I paid around $200 for the separate Lamb SACD/DVD by itself (hence the fire sale coming soon). Unfortunately I did not have an SACD player when this set came out originally so I didn't have the good sense to buy it then.

I really like what the band did with the surround mix on the box set. There are some bands that I believe have the technical and musical expertise to do justice to a surround mix, and I believe Genesis is one of those.
post #8557 of 9834
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Us? Different opinions?

I am about to go into my theater and will switch to the MCH hi-res system and give TToT another listen.. I do not remember it hurting my ears.

I do NOT see Steven Wilson remixing anything as a waste of time. And I would probably buy one to check the differences. I can't help but think they would be subtle.

Re going forward with today's technology from yesterday's analog multitrack masters, I don't think that there coujld be much difference in the sound quality. Where the cowbell goes, yes. But not the clarity, impact and transparency of the cowbell.

But I could be wrong (adding this to all my heavily opinionated posts). (Expect it a lot.)

Jeff

The SACD SQ is much improved over the Redbook Remasters IMHO. It's the mix I don't much approve of. The bottom end of the drums is simply gone. The keyboards, Guitars, Cymbols, and vocals are great. But the big drum sound pretty much defines ATOTT for me. So I think the SACD Boxes are huge missed opportunuty to get it right. For some reason the Gabriel Box has more bottom on the drums than the other 2.
post #8558 of 9834
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Originally Posted by GZAP1 View Post

The SACD SQ is much improved over the Redbook Remasters IMHO. It's the mix I don't much approve of. The bottom end of the drums is simply gone. The keyboards, Guitars, Cymbols, and vocals are great. But the big drum sound pretty much defines ATOTT for me. So I think the SACD Boxes are huge missed opportunuty to get it right. For some reason the Gabriel Box has more bottom on the drums than the other 2.

I'll have to do more critical listening before I form my final opinion on ATOTT. I disagree on the 70-75 box and we'll leave it there. And let's face it, some of the Gabriel SACD's are a mess (and I'm a huge PG fan). It's a mixed bag.
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Will post after I become un-Entangled. smile.gif
post #8560 of 9834
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Us? Different opinions?

I am about to go into my theater and will switch to the MCH hi-res system and give TToT another listen.. I do not remember it hurting my ears.

I do NOT see Steven Wilson remixing anything as a waste of time. And I would probably buy one to check the differences. I can't help but think they would be subtle.

Re going forward with today's technology from yesterday's analog multitrack masters, I don't think that there coujld be much difference in the sound quality. Where the cowbell goes, yes. But not the clarity, impact and transparency of the cowbell.

But I could be wrong (adding this to all my heavily opinionated posts). (Expect it a lot.)

Jeff

Jeff,

I will definitely be interested in your listening impressions of TOTT. When I get the chance I'm going to give it another spin to see if changes in my current system will help with the SQ. I just recall when I cranked up the volume of the TOTT SACD it got very shrill and bright.

I have to disagree with you on the fact that you do not believe "the clarity, impact and transparency of the cowbell" can be improved with a remix. I'm certainly no recording engineer but I always thought that a remix enables the engineer to "clean" up a recording. In other words if that "cowbell" is among a congested portion of a recording that it can be moved (volume wise) to a point where there is more clarity. Maybe I'm confusing remixing with remastering. But I look at a multi-track recording as a puzzle that in the hands of a experienced engineer can be made better if the original does not have the best SQ. That being the clarity, impact and transparency of the recording.

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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Very interesting Bill. Being a lifelong Genesis fan, $300 was palpable for me, but insane for others for the box set. I paid around $200 for the separate Lamb SACD/DVD by itself (hence the fire sale coming soon). Unfortunately I did not have an SACD player when this set came out originally so I didn't have the good sense to buy it then.

I really like what the band did with the surround mix on the box set. There are some bands that I believe have the technical and musical expertise to do justice to a surround mix, and I believe Genesis is one of those.

Steve,

I do not feel $300 for the 70-75 box set is insane. In fact it is quite low compared to some of the prices I have seen. I've been there when I just had to have a specific title. All common sense and patience goes out the window wink.gif. If I could find the Lamb SACD for a decent price I'll definitely grab it. I agree that some of the PG SACDs are a mixed bag of SQ. The stereo SACDs could use a nice remastering by Steve Hoffman smile.gif.

Bill
post #8561 of 9834
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Jeff,

I believe we have discussed this before and we have differing opinions on this. Sure Genesis could rerelease the exsisting OOP SACDs but that hasn't happened....
Bill

I guess that is the question I've long wondered. When I started collecting SACD & DVD-A's back in the early 90's I just assumed, like CD's, there would be copies available 'forever'.

I go through periods of buying and not buying and many titles I assumed I would 'just get later' turn out to be out of print when I return to the buying scene.

Why don't the labels release additional copies when clearly there is a market for it, albeit a limited one?
post #8562 of 9834
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post

I guess that is the question I've long wondered. When I started collecting SACD & DVD-A's back in the early 90's I just assumed, like CD's, there would be copies available 'forever'.

I go through periods of buying and not buying and many titles I assumed I would 'just get later' turn out to be out of print when I return to the buying scene.

Why don't the labels release additional copies when clearly there is a market for it, albeit a limited one?

Agreed! I didn't start collecting SACD's until recently and these OOP titles are killing my bank account!
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post #8564 of 9834
So who is going double dip on some of these tittles smile.gif Would love to get some Nirvana stuff, and Bob Marley.

Djoel
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

So who is going double dip on some of these tittles smile.gif Would love to get some Nirvana stuff, and Bob Marley.

Djoel

Nice find! Uh oh...What an amazing list of titles. I would consider almost every one of those!
post #8566 of 9834
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Nice find! Uh oh...What an amazing list of titles. I would consider almost every one of those!


Me too Steve, I would definitely grab allot of those, but I would wait for some reviews wink.gif

Dan
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Me too Steve, I would definitely grab allot of those, but I would wait for some reviews wink.gif

Dan

Agreed...they all have the same generic descriptions. Something about going back to the master tapes. There has to be more to it than that or these may not be that special.
post #8568 of 9834
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Originally Posted by weekendtoy View Post


Why don't the labels release additional copies when clearly there is a market for it, albeit a limited one?

One word - downloads. Sooner or later, all of the stuff mastered for the dvd-a (such as 24/96 material) will make its way to download sites. It's already happened with some material that I own on dvd-a.
post #8569 of 9834
Just bought:

Joe Beck & Ali Ryerson - DJango multi-channel SACD

This is a fairly inexpensive SACD that I finally bought after buying a number of other DMP SACDs. So far they all sound excellent so I figured I'd give this one a shot smile.gif.

Bill
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Bill Mac -

any CD or SACD referencing Django is not to be missed!
post #8571 of 9834
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Originally Posted by JA Fant View Post

Bill Mac -

any CD or SACD referencing Django is not to be missed!

JA,

I thought the album was dedicated to guitarist Django Reinhardt as well. But by reading more about this title it was not. Below is some information I found out about the album.

Joe Beck and Ali Ryerson have been working as a team for more than four years, playing concerts and other gigs under the name Duo. This is their second album, and, with the name Django, one would assume it is in honor of guitarist Django Reinhardt. Instead, the set is dedicated to the members of the Modern Jazz Quartet, who pioneered chamber jazz, the style that dominates this session with flautist Ryerson. John Lewis' "Django" is one of the tunes on the agenda that they play within the chamber style.

Bill
post #8572 of 9834
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

JA,

I thought the album was dedicated to guitarist Django Reinhardt as well. But by reading more about this title it was not. Below is some information I found out about the album.

Joe Beck and Ali Ryerson have been working as a team for more than four years, playing concerts and other gigs under the name Duo. This is their second album, and, with the name Django, one would assume it is in honor of guitarist Django Reinhardt. Instead, the set is dedicated to the members of the Modern Jazz Quartet, who pioneered chamber jazz, the style that dominates this session with flautist Ryerson. John Lewis' "Django" is one of the tunes on the agenda that they play within the chamber style.

Bill

I bought this one a couple of months ago, just got through giving it a second spin, since I wasn't remembering it too fondly from the first go. Must have been in a better mood for mellow, I liked it better this time around. From the liner notes, the LFE channel is a full range recording that can be used "overhead or as a center surround for added dimensionality and is not designed to drive a subwoofer." Oh yeah, I can see someone reconfiguring their entire system for this one off recording. Fear not, it played just fine feeding my LFE channel.

The surround recording leaves the two instruments firmly anchored in the front stage, with the surrounds providing room ambience/characteristics.
post #8573 of 9834
Sorry for the delay ...

I did notice a slight harshness to TTOT, but my test was flawed in that I had tweaked my Audyssey Pro curve up another dB at 20K and I think that I overdid it and want to move it back to where I have had it. Having said that, ... oh my gosh I had not listened to this album in a very long time and it was good to revisit it. I was a singing fool in my theater ... robbery, assault and battery, mad man moon, ripples.

I did notice that the mix is very front-centric and vocals are always there with only ambiance in the rear. Instruments are placed in the rear (this is my 120 degree monopole surround system), but not consistently. Regardless of the positioning, the album's balance is the same as the stereo CD (and vinyl before it) that I listened to repeatedly "back in the day." What I mean by that is that nothing stood out and nothing receded from the mix as compared to other media versions of it. I did notice some subtle guitar work that I had not noticed before.

I would certainly buy at least one SW remix of one of these Genesis albums if only to see what different choices he would make. I can't think of a reason why Genesis would commission a remix, though I could be wrong.

I will tweak my Pro curve back, load it and give TTOT another listen. After TTOT, I popped in Police Every Breath You Take: The Singles, and it too sounded a bit to edgy.

Jeff
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post

Just purchased, All Genesis:

Genesis (self-titled)
Wind and Wuthering
And Then There Were Three

Wind And Wuthering will be my next Genesis album to revisit. I would put it in the same thematic category as TTOT. I never bought the first two albums; I came to the SACD party at Foxtrot. Now that I think of it, I should "revisit" them chronologically.

Jeff
post #8575 of 9834
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Wind And Wuthering will be my next Genesis album to revisit. I would put it in the same thematic category as TTOT. I never bought the first two albums; I came to the SACD party at Foxtrot. Now that I think of it, I should "revisit" them chronologically.

Jeff

Jeff: The first thing I did when I got my 70-75 box set was put the discs in order and start from the beginning. The evolution of this band (one of my absolute favorites) is very obvious over time. Interesting thing is their evolution is as much a by-product of the skill levels of the individual musicians as it is of the capabilities of the equipment of the day. So much of their core sound was based on Tony Banks' keyboards, and over time not only did he get better, but he was also able to move from Hammond style organs with Leslie cabinets and such to the new synthesizers coming out.

I have no idea how many times I've seen Genesis, but I do know that I only saw the Peter Gabriel led band one time (Winterland-San Francisco). TOTT came out when I was a junior in high school and I still remember how excited I was the first time I listened to "Squonk". I knew then that Genesis would survive without PG. I also saw most of PG's solo tours and believe he aged like a fine wine.

Back to the releases, for those of us that have SACD players with MCH setups, I imagine there really is no reason to bother listening to the included DVD's. They are great for the historical content and interviews, but Dolby 5.1 and DTS mixes just don't cut it. Really wish it was true DVD-A or blu-ray audio. Overall, I'm really enjoying the first box set and my journey down memory lane.

I really wasn't interested in "And Then There Were Three", but the seller had sold me the box set, and then TOTT. He had those three titles above left and when I bought Genesis S/T and Wind and Wuthering he made a nice gesture and threw in the last disc for free. Good people on that other forum!
post #8576 of 9834
FYI,
The David Elias albums, The Window and Crossing are now on the Acoustics Sounds download site in DSD cool.gif

Total DSD titles is now at 122.
post #8577 of 9834
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Hey Cesar,

I'm glad you are enjoying the Blade Runner SACD smile.gif. Reading the description of the SACD on AF's site it mentions that there is some dialog from the movie on SACD. Is there dialog and does in fit in with the music? Just curious. We're even for now but I'm sure you'll find me another long OOP SACD for $9.99 wink.gif.

Bill

Bill, sorry for the delayed response as I was away from home. Indeed there's some dialog at the beginning of the SACD however IMO it fits perfectly with the background music, it sounds kind of cool to listen to "Decker" and "Rachel". I'm listening to this SACD once again and it's just great smile.gif

On another note, I just received Miles Davis "Milestones" SACD/Stereo.
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Originally Posted by caupina View Post

Bill, sorry for the delayed response as I was away from home. Indeed there's some dialog at the beginning of the SACD however IMO it fits perfectly with the background music, it sounds kind of cool to listen to "Decker" and "Rachel". I'm listening to this SACD once again and it's just great smile.gif

On another note, I just received Miles Davis "Milestones" SACD/Stereo.

Cesar,

No problem, I understand smile.gif.Thanks for your thoughts. I look forward to getting this one and I'll post my impressions as well. I listened to the Milestones SACD last week and it is a great album smile.gif.

Bill
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Steve,

I found the TOTT SACD to be very bright on my system. Almost to the point of hurting my ears. I played it once and that was it for me.

I had a little time today to listen to the TOTT SACD. I have to say I still find certain points on the SACD to be a bit bright. On Ripples around the 6:50 mark the cymbals do not sound like cymbals but a mass of ssssss's. Maybe not a brightness but a lack of clarity or resolution. There are other points on the SACD that I found the same issue. When I crank up the volume the SQ just seems to suffer. I have no issues with my system sounding this way when playing other well recorded 5.1 SACDs or DVD-As. I also agree 100% with GZAP1 that the drums are lost in the mix. I really believe a 5.1 remix of TOTT would be excellent. I think there is room for improvement and I just hope Steven Wilson gets a crack at it smile.gif.

Bill
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