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Help me find a good match for my new receiver!

post #1 of 13
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As a "budget" audio enthusiast as I suspect many of you are, my upgrades to my system have always been done piecemeal. Some of my current setup was purchased as recently as 5 years ago; other pieces have been in the mix for over a decade.

My old setup (believe me, I know):
receiver: Sony STR-DE885
fronts: Bose 301IV
center: JBL S-Center II
rear: JBL N24II
sub: JBL P10

Recently I purchased a new receiver: a Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH. Pretty soon I'll be ready to move on to the speakers, and the first weak link I want to eliminate is those Boses (they were a Christmas gift over 10 years ago).

I want something that's going to be a good match for the Elite's acoustic traits. I've generally heard its sound referred to as warm, and that seems to match up well with my experience so far (well, as far as I can tell through those 301s, anyway!).

Obviously I'm willing to spend on nicer stuff this time around, on a scale comparable with the receiver upgrade. I've done some testing with Definitive and BA and liked what I heard from both. What else can people suggest that might be a good match?

I live in an apartment, so while towers would certainly be nice to have, I could probably get away with another pair of bookshelves if there's no major reason people can give me why I shouldn't.
post #2 of 13
Well it would be helpful to know what your budget is, but in lieu of that, my favorite high value brands are: Monitor Audio, Energy, Paradigm, and Boston Acoustics. I don't much care for the Def Techs I've listened to, and I feel they are a marketing brand (they spend more money on marketing than they do R&D). You should probably check out www.audiogon.com and ebay for some used speakers. Your money goes a lot farther that way. The only problem with that is that you have to know what you want (having heard the speakers you want somewhere else first), because you don't want to buy speakers just off of reviews or other peoples opinions. You need to listen to them for yourself.

Good luck and let us know what your budget is.
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well it would be helpful to know what your budget is, but in lieu of that, my favorite high value brands are: Monitor Audio, Energy, Paradigm, and Boston Acoustics. I don't much care for the Def Techs I've listened to, and I feel they are a marketing brand (they spend more money on marketing than they do R&D). You should probably check out www.audiogon.com and ebay for some used speakers. Your money goes a lot farther that way. The only problem with that is that you have to know what you want (having heard the speakers you want somewhere else first), because you don't want to buy speakers just off of reviews or other peoples opinions. You need to listen to them for yourself.

Good luck and let us know what your budget is.

I'm with you
that the wright way to buy speakers
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well it would be helpful to know what your budget is, but in lieu of that, my favorite high value brands are: Monitor Audio, Energy, Paradigm, and Boston Acoustics. I don't much care for the Def Techs I've listened to, and I feel they are a marketing brand (they spend more money on marketing than they do R&D). You should probably check out www.audiogon.com and ebay for some used speakers. Your money goes a lot farther that way. The only problem with that is that you have to know what you want (having heard the speakers you want somewhere else first), because you don't want to buy speakers just off of reviews or other peoples opinions. You need to listen to them for yourself.

Good luck and let us know what your budget is.

My maximum for the pair would probably be around $1200. How easy is it to find discounts on new speakers at this level?

Part of my question is framed around the receiver I bought. I've heard that speakers and receivers can form good matching pairs; for example, a Denon receiver, which many people say has a warm sound, matched with Klipsch speakers, which have a bright sound. Is there anything to this? If so, what would be a good match for the Elite?

You may assume that I will listen to any speaker I buy first.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
No ideas? Is the whole match with a receiver thing overblown?
post #6 of 13
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Is the whole match with a receiver thing overblown?

For the most part, yes, it is overblown.

As long as your receiver can drive your speakers without clipping/distorting, you'll be fine. The Pioneer should have no problem with most speakers in your price range.

The speakers and the room they're in will big the two biggest factors in sound quality.

My advice would be to audition as many speakers as you can in your price range. In addition to the speakers mentioned, I would put Revel, Kef and Aperion Audio on your auditioning list.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by Andy Anonymous View Post

No ideas? Is the whole match with a receiver thing overblown?

There isn't a strong character to the sound of most modern mass-market receivers. As dfktell said the speakers and the room they are placed in will have the greatest influence on the overall sound quality.
post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
All right, thanks guys. So far in addition to DefTech and BA I've added Revel, Kef and Aperion to my auditioning list. Paradigm seems to be a quite popular brand around here too, so I'll seek those out as well.

I'd heard people in the receiver forum talking somewhat often about sound characteristics of receivers; that Denons and Pioneers are warm while Onkyos are bright, etc etc. and that people were seeking to match them up with speakers with the opposite characteristics for a more balanced sound. I was just looking to find out if there was anything to that, and it looks as if there isn't!
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by Andy Anonymous View Post

All right, thanks guys. So far in addition to DefTech and BA I've added Revel, Kef and Aperion to my auditioning list. Paradigm seems to be a quite popular brand around here too, so I'll seek those out as well.

I'd heard people in the receiver forum talking somewhat often about sound characteristics of receivers; that Denons and Pioneers are warm while Onkyos are bright, etc etc. and that people were seeking to match them up with speakers with the opposite characteristics for a more balanced sound. I was just looking to find out if there was anything to that, and it looks as if there isn't!

Well, that's the thing. There are two camps. One that feels there are noticable differences in sound quality between amps / AVRs / pre-pros (though most of them even say that it is slight), and the other who hear no appreciable difference. Only you can be the judge as to which camp you fall into. I would get the speakers that you like the most first and then see if you can audition another AVR with those speakers.

What sort of sound are you looking for? Bright, lively and detailed? Or laid-back, dark and easy on the ears?

The Def Tech's and the Aperions are going to be brighter than the BA's or the KEF's, but all of them lean towards bright. I still recommend the Monitor Audio Silver series. They are not quite as technically balanced as the BA's but they they have a wonderfully detailed treble that is still pretty smooth, complemented by a warmish bass that is also well defined. The Revels are fairly nuetral, though they too can sound bright in a room with a lot of bare hard surfaces.

The only speakers I can think of that are more warm and laid back are the Vienna Acoustics and Dali's, but I think both of those lines may be out of your budget range. You may be able to get some bookshelf speakers for $1200 though. Vienna and Monitor Audio can be found at Magnolia AV, if you have one of those in your area.
post #10 of 13
Practically any speaker will sound bright in a bare room with a lot of reflective surfaces. This is not particular to Revel which is an exceptionally engineered speaker.

I also don't think that KEF's lean towards being "bright" or having a tipped up treble.

Proving again that you have to hear them for yourself. Two people can hear the same speaker and walk away with different opinions. A lot of this has to do with prior listening experiences and what they're used to hearing.

Audition as many speakers as possible. And pay particular attention to your room. If it is bare and very reflective whatever you buy will not perform up to it's potential.
post #11 of 13
I heard some B&W this weekend being played off a THX certified Pioneer Elite and they sounded very warm. Great high but really nice mids are well. I don't know the specific model B&W but they were just bookshelf speakers with a matching center channel.
post #12 of 13
Try the Polk Lsi's.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Practically any speaker will sound bright in a bare room with a lot of reflective surfaces. This is not particular to Revel which is an exceptionally engineered speaker.

I also don't think that KEF's lean towards being "bright" or having a tipped up treble.

Proving again that you have to hear them for yourself. Two people can hear the same speaker and walk away with different opinions. A lot of this has to do with prior listening experiences and what they're used to hearing.

Audition as many speakers as possible. And pay particular attention to your room. If it is bare and very reflective whatever you buy will not perform up to it's potential.

Yes, you're right, in a bare, reflective room most speakers on the market will sound bright. My wording wasn't the best, but I wasn't talking about a bare room but rather a typically furnished room with a fair amount of exposed drywall.

I completely agree that revel makes some exceptionally well engineered speakers. You would be hard pressed to find one that has flatter on-axis FR than their higher-end lines, but they do have a bit of an off-axis flare in the dispersion in the lower to mid-treble, which tilts the power response towards being forward / bright in rooms that aren't moderately damped.

In regards to KEF, and Revel for that matter I suppose it depends on the model, but I owned the KEF Reference 203's a couple of years ago and even though they sounded very clean and detailed, I sold them off a few months after I bought them because they sounded much too bright for me. And my room is not particularly reflective.

In the end though, none of this really matters, because like you said, he really needs to listen to the speakers he is interested in, in his room with his recordings.
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