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Any 2.35 users go back to 16x9?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
JVC RS1.
Basement.
No screen picked out yet.
Never had a projector before.

What screen.
If I do 2.35 (with scaler, lense) - will I miss 16x9.

The End,
ELmO
post #2 of 27
Elmo,

You don't really need to "miss" 16:9 with a constant height setup. Both 2.35:1 and 16:9 by definition are the same height. What you get with a 2.35:1 setup is a picture that is 33 percent wider than a 16:9.

So, if the movie is 16:9 than that's what you'll get, although you'll have sides on the screen you need to mask. The 2.35:1 movie will fill the entire screen. No masking required.

I use a scaler, which, in my case, is only needed to perform the vertical stretch on 2.35:1 material. Otherwise, for 16:9 material, I just leave the scaler unstretched and slide the anamorphic lens out of the lightpath. This maximizes the projector pixel usage for each format.

Hope this helps.

Avquest
post #3 of 27
CIH people will tell you that constant height is the best way to go. I prefer Constant Area. I started out with CIH and moved to Constant Area because I prefer a taller 16x9 image than 2.35:1. There is no right answer, it is all about personal preferences.
post #4 of 27
Indeed it is about personal preference, along with what you watch. If you are a big sports/TV buff, 16:9 is probably a better bet. If you watch more movies, especially newer releases, then 2.35:1 should be considered. I have installed tons of 2.35:1 setups, and personally just switched from 16:9. The more movies that I buy in the HD formats, the more I find they are 2.35:1. Plus, I never watch TV in my theater. Again, you'll have to decide what fits your needs best.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
Argh Jason, Argh!!!!! JVC RS TWO, WHERE ARE YOU? (SCOOBY DOOBY DOO, WHRE ARE YOU?)
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post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
I made a new thread to specifically what screen I should use, this rather than question 16x9 vs 2.35...

Thanks,
ELmO
post #8 of 27
No problemo.
post #9 of 27
I just bought the HTB-AR anamorphic lens ($595) to switch to a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. Believe me, its worth it. To switch to a 16:9 content, all I do is switch my DVDO iScan HD+ to the "4:3" setting, and my 16:9 content stays at the same height and shows perfect image on the screen with the black bars on the side.

I plan on building a cabinet door style masking (for 16:9 pictures) using black velvet material lateron.

Once you watch a movie on 2.35:1 screen; especially with an HD-DVD or Blu Ray player, YOU'LL NEVER GO BACK.

You can have the best of both worlds, using an anamorphic lens !!!

Good luck
post #10 of 27
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Any 2.35 users go back to 16x9?

Only when I move the lens out of the light path to watch 16:9 and 4 x 3

Mark
post #11 of 27
I have a 2.35:1 Carada screen and I love it. All of my favorite movies have come to life without the annoying letter boxing. I tried scaling with my HTPC but it never really worked right. I do have to zoom using my projector when viewing 16:9 content but so far I've only watched that format once in the week I've had my new theater on line. It's a matter of figuring out what format the things you like to watch are in (as Jason mentioned) and make that your "main" format.
post #12 of 27
I'm on the fence now. I ordered a 2.35 110" screen which is on its way. In the meantime I've been trying out the same size screen just using grey paint. 16:9 looks OK at the smaller (comparative) size, but it also looks great using the full width. It's also brighter.

With the grey screen and my shadow box the black bars are virtually invisible, so now I'm thinking a 16:9 screen may have been a better choice.

I'll see how I feel when the 2.35 gets here.
post #13 of 27
Life is all about compromises - and few parts of it are more about compromise than HT

I recommend you decide based on what, when and how you are going to use your projector.

For example, I only use my projector for watching movies and have a dedicated 2.35:1 set up. I have a 47" TV for 16:9.

This works for us because we make movie viewing a special event (turn the lights off and prepare to sit and watch the movie as you would in a theatre, i.e. people not constantly coming in and going out, no talking, etc) so that we can get an immersive experience.

For sports, TV series and general TV viewing, i.e. mostly 16:9 format stuff, we watch the LCD with lights on, talking, kids and animals in and out.

Elmo, only you can say if you will miss 16:9.

BTW: Nice projector.
post #14 of 27
I've only had mine for about two weeks and there is no way i'm going back to 16:9 .I only watch movies in my room.I'll even watch 1.78:1 on my 2.35:1 with no problems, like the movie "Robots".

From what people who have seen my setup say, its the width not the height of the screen that makes it very dramatic.

Well worth the investment.Aussie lens,OptomaHD79,100"x42"SMX screen(DIY)

KG
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Steve Dodds View Post

I'm on the fence now. I ordered a 2.35 110" screen which is on its way. In the meantime I've been trying out the same size screen just using grey paint. 16:9 looks OK at the smaller (comparative) size, but it also looks great using the full width. It's also brighter.

With the grey screen and my shadow box the black bars are virtually invisible, so now I'm thinking a 16:9 screen may have been a better choice.

I'll see how I feel when the 2.35 gets here.

My solution being that I like to use my HT for mostly movies but still big sport events.And also their are alot of Holliwood movies in 1.78.I like the big look of a 16.9 screen for 1.78 movies.So I just mask the top of my 16.9 Carada 110in for 2.35 movies.It usally stays mask intill a movie is 1.78,I do prefer 2.35 movies the most.Their look is so cool on a 2.35 or a 16.9 screen mask to 2.35.Now that 1080p fp are so good and cheap.IMHO the lens is not even needed.
post #16 of 27
I'd been heading toward a CIH set up but now, after borrowing a projector and trying it out in practice - keeping a constant image height - I think I've decided to do something a bit different. Basically, I want more control over the image size than offered even by CIH. And why not, thinks I, after all projection is the only technology that really gives you the option for radically changing the image size to suit your whim or to best match the source material.

What I found is I had a hard time locking in both my 16:9 and my 2:35:1 image size. Sometimes an image felt awesome really big, sometimes it came off much better when projected a smaller size. That went for both 16:9 and 2:35:1. Sometimes I like my 1:85:1 films to be very large and immersive (even up to 108" wide). But if I chose my 2:35:1 based on that 16:9 height:

1. The 2:35:1 images would be too large for my comfort - the extra width added by 2:35:1 at that height brings on too much eye scanning left and right.

2. The 2:35:1 image wouldn't fit on my wall anyway.

CIH intuitively appeals to me because the scope format has always been my favorite for film. I just love the shape of the frame, which to me feels more cinematic and expansive. And to have a screen that shape, vs the standard 16:9, is mega-cool as well. And I like the idea that scope films would not be shrunken smaller than 1:85:1 films, as has been the case with HDTV displays up until now, but be wider as they should be.

At the same time, I don't want to feel I've downgraded all my non-scope movies. While you'll hear from some people that their 16:9 image size has not been compromised, if you've been reading the board you'll also notice a familiar theme of how many people with CIH set-ups state they much prefer viewing 2:35:1 content over 16:9 content (some people even have said "I barely want to watch 16:9 shaped content anymore). I don't necessarily want to get to that state of mind because to me it's like the reverse problem
many people found with 16:9 screens: that it tended to be preferable to watch 16:9 content because the physical limitations of the 16:9 screen meant 16:9 was bigger and more immersive than 2:35:1 films. For better or worse, a CIH set up would seem to reverse the scenario. When you have a CIH set up that makes the difference in image size pretty dramatic between 2:35:1 and your 16:9 images, it's no wonder people start to find the 16:9 stuff less compelling than the scope films. Just as it is no wonder lots of people with 16:9 screens find images fitted to their screen more dramatically immersive than scope films shrunk to fit the width.

I personally want to have any size image, particularly 1:85:1 films and 2:35:1 films feel impressive and immersive. So that I don't feel mildly disappointed when I switch from one to another. In using simply the zoom method on my wall for a while now, I've been able to achieve that. Whenever I feel like it, I can have the 1:85:1 movie big and immersive - taller than I would had I settled on an image based upon a comfortable 2:35:1 size. And every film, whatever it's aspect ratio, is impressively encompassing. And at the same time, 2:35:1 is still wider than my 16:9 images and still wonderfully impressive.

My challenge now is how to translate that into my desire for a fixed screen and masking, as I'd like to use 4 way masking to achieve this variable image size. I may also end up employing an anamorphic lens for a couple reasons, including:

1. It will help me achieve a wider 2:35:1 image than I might be able to achieve from my projector alone, given the limitations of my throw distance.

And:

2. There might be visual benefits to using the lens vs the zoom method for scope films. That I have yet to be able to test for myself.

So, basically, I have found thus far that my ideal size for lots of 2:35:1 movies does not result in an ideal size for lots of my 1:85:1 films, and visa versa, which has been an impediment to my deciding on a CIH set-up.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

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So, basically, I have found thus far that my ideal size for lots of 2:35:1 movies does not result in an ideal size for lots of my 1:85:1 films, and visa versa, which has been an impediment to my deciding on a CIH set-up.

R Harkness,

Your statement sums up my feeling as well after playing with image sizes using a temporary blackout cloth screen. The best solution for me was to do a constant area image size when going from 2.35 to 1.78/1.85 aspect ratios. 2.35 is still big and wide and 1.78/1.85 is also still big enough.

If you aren't put off by the cost/complexity of 4-way masking, then I think you should consider it.

(BTW, I plan to do manual masking but haven't done it yet since neither my wife nor I find the unmasked portions too distracting so far with our RS1 and Dalite HP setup. So masking is on the back burner )

Ron
post #18 of 27
I could never go back to a narrower screen.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Jack Gilvey View Post

I could never go back to a narrower screen.

100% right there

Mark
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by elmalloc View Post

JVC RS1.
Basement.
No screen picked out yet.
Never had a projector before.

What screen.
If I do 2.35 (with scaler, lense) - will I miss 16x9.

The End,
ELmO

Here's a five page thread on the topic of "scope regrets" which should encompass the essence of your question too.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=862965
post #21 of 27
the only chance of me seeing black bars is if i go to a bar.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

Here's a five page thread on the topic of "scope regrets" which should encompass the essence of your question too.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=862965

You can see that a number of people with CIH set ups mention the only downside is how 16:9/1:85:1 images don't feel so impressive anymore. To the point some actually avoid non-scope movies in favor of viewing scope. That gave me pause because I didn't want to feel that way about non-scope movies. It's like you go from being disapointed with scope films in a typical Constant Width set up, move to a CIH, only to trade that for being disapointed for non-scope films. Certainly not every CIH owner feels that way, but obviously a number of them report this as something of a negative.

In simply using a zoom I've been finding I'm enjoying the image size I like with both 16:9 and 2:35:1 images, as opposed to being locked in to a constant height.

I still think I'll end up using a lens though, so I can get a wider 2:35:1 image than my otherwise limited throw distance will let me achieve.
post #23 of 27
Thread Starter 
I'm limited by width so I'm going 1.78 for now, in the future I will move up to 2.35!
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by tbase1 View Post

the only chance of me seeing black bars is if i go to a bar.

Yes, they are gone forever ! Good bye black bars.

KG
post #25 of 27
This is what I plan on doing, the addition is just about to get under construction: I'm going to project the 16X9 image onto the wall as big as I want it(maybe a bit bigger), then with the heigth known I'm going to widen it to 2:35. Slap up some curtains or masking(still deciding) and I'll have the 16x9 image I want plus I'll be able to have the "wow" factor of pulling back the curtains or removing the masking for scope films. This way I'll have no feeling of "losing something" with my 16x9 image because it's as big as I wanted anyway and I'll have the awesome feeling of being in a cinema when I pull out a scope HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
nice homer simpson quote (_8(|)
post #27 of 27
If someone wants to go back....i have a Stewart ST130 velvet wrapped fixed 109" hdtv aspect I want to trade for a 2.35 of similar quality
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