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post #1621 of 1988
lol... yes, it is ALWAYS better to be safe than sorry...

but just in case it does decide to send flames up through the vent holes, make sure you videotape it and put it on youtube for the rest of us to see...

however, i feel safe in saying it won't... the avr will handle it... the thx certification (even though it's "bought") tells "us" a few things, one of which is that it will safely drive "reasonably low" impedance loads... even ignoring that, there's boatloads of anecdotal evidence that says you'll be ok...

well... "more powerful" speakers aren't necessarily lower in resistance... you can't make an equation there...

if you think the mcacc stuff is a lot to learn (and there's no doubt that it is, i certainly haven't mastered it and i've been using it on pio avr's for a long time), just wait until you start investigating speaker design/theory...
post #1622 of 1988
Guys I have the VSX 92. I must say I am disappointed. I can't hear the difference between DTS and DTSHD Master. Am I doing something wrong?
post #1623 of 1988
i don't think that's necessarily a problem with your receiver. Could be your speakers or could be you just can't notice a difference. Lots of people think the difference is minimal.
post #1624 of 1988
How can I get Zone 2 to play in Stereo whatever is playing in Zone 1?

I have 5.1 in living room, and 2 speakers in kitchen (connected to the 6&7) of the receiver set up as Zone 2. I would like the kitchen speakers to mimic the main speakers.
post #1625 of 1988
Legairre...where ya been??
post #1626 of 1988
Hey, I just learned that Pioneer has a fix for the DD+ issue for thier new receivers. FW 1.041 is for the SC-25/27 and fixes the above issue and the inability of the receiver to properly decode 2channel DTS-HD tracks. I am calling them Monday about possible firmware for our receivers. I am going to be needling Pioneer with all my might since I have waited close to 2 years for the update. Pioneer needs to get off their ass on this and they did for the newer receivers.
post #1627 of 1988
Hello PRO-630HD. Could you giver more details about the DD+ issue. I want the latest of the latest firmware for my 94 receiver.

Please keep up updated.

Thanks
post #1628 of 1988
The DD+ issue only applies is you are bitstreaming hddvd titles at 1.5 mbps. Which are all Universal and Paramount titles.

I just got the Grumpy/ierOld Men bluray combo and the 1st title has a 2.0 DTS-HD track that is essentially inaidible. The firmware will fix this as well.
post #1629 of 1988
This is concerning the 05/07 series receivers and Pioneer customer service is extremely frustrating! Call them anyway. Your receivers have the same issues and they need to fix it. The 05 and 25 are getting the newer firmware to fix the above issues though.

Okay, concerning the fix for the DD+ hddvd audio dropouts and the low volume on DTS- HD 2.0 tracks, there is a new firmware coming out next week that fixes the above issues!

After getting extremely frustrated talking to Pioneer customer service as they are saying these are not issues with the 05/07 receivers, yet they obviously were an issue with the 25/27 due to the newer firmware that fixes them. We all know there is very little difference between the 05 and 25 and these DD+ audio dropout issue have been prevelent since the 90 series receivers. Don't tell me I don't have a problem when I can hear it with my own ears! If the Toshiba was causing the problem as Pioneer customer service claims why are the only receiver's affected from Pioneer. Not one receiver besides the Pioneer has any dropout issues. Yet the new firmware from Pioneer for the 25 fixes the Toshiba problem LOL! Their customer service reps are such jackasses that love to pull the wool over your eyes! Don't tell me the SC-25 is an entirely different receiver than the 05 like I am an idiot! There is very little difference between the chips or processing! Also when other Pioneer comsumers are claiming the same issues don't tell me it is not an issue and I am the only one experiencing the problem. Best part he told me to buy a non Pioneer bluray player to bypass the DTS-HD problem LOL?

All I asked was the problem be duplicated using the Grumpy Old Men combo disc with the BDP-05FD and SC-05. They flat out refused! Let me tell you 5 years ago this would have never been an issue! I would have gotten a call back within a few days concerning the issue replicated in California with the results. I have done it on many occasions going back to the early days of dvd with their products concerning glitches here and there. Their customer service in the last few years has been nothing short of horrible. They wouldn't record the problem in their computers or give me a case # concerning the problem!

So I called Chris Walker from Pioneer and he couldn't have been nicer and I was extremely impressed! I explained the glitches in the receiver concerning the DD+ audio dropouts and the 2.0 DTS-HD volume problem and told him of the new firmware the 25/27 series receivers just got that fixed both of these issues! He takes down the info and the disc to test the problem and mentions he call his contact in Japan concerning the issue. He confirmed the new FW is in Japan at the moment and will hit the states next week fixing the same issues FW 1.041 did for the 25/27.

We had a great talk about many issues. New bluray players and receivers to come out in the Fall. All 3-D compatible. Newer features to I can't repeat here. Think features the competion has. Don't expect SACD or DVD Audio, they are sticking with BD 3.0 or bluray audio as the next best thing. There should be alot of newer products at the Cedia show and finally the bluray players should be faster than the tortoise they currently are.
post #1630 of 1988
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Originally Posted by alrha View Post

How can I get Zone 2 to play in Stereo whatever is playing in Zone 1?

I have 5.1 in living room, and 2 speakers in kitchen (connected to the 6&7) of the receiver set up as Zone 2. I would like the kitchen speakers to mimic the main speakers.

Go back into your menu for the speaker settings and change your 2 speakers in the kitchen (6&7) to be Speaker B instead of Zone 2. Then on the receiver, flip down the front panel, and the top upper left button will allow you to have Speaker A . . . Speaker B . . . or Speaker A&B. Speaker A&B will play the same thing in both the main room and your kitchen.

I have that exact setup and it works great. We use it for XM mostly, but also for some TV and CDs. Zone 2 doesn't work for me, as it has to be an analog signal for it to work. Easier for me to use the Speaker B setup as we mostly use it to listen to the same thing instead of different things anyway.
post #1631 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by piketech View Post

Go back into your menu for the speaker settings and change your 2 speakers in the kitchen (6&7) to be Speaker B instead of Zone 2. Then on the receiver, flip down the front panel, and the top upper left button will allow you to have Speaker A . . . Speaker B . . . or Speaker A&B. Speaker A&B will play the same thing in both the main room and your kitchen.

I have that exact setup and it works great. We use it for XM mostly, but also for some TV and CDs. Zone 2 doesn't work for me, as it has to be an analog signal for it to work. Easier for me to use the Speaker B setup as we mostly use it to listen to the same thing instead of different things anyway.

thanks. same here. its a matter of playing music (via PS3 or music channels on cable) or hearing the TV or a movie when getting a snack from the kitchen). is the volume adjustable when setup as speaker B so as not to play too loud in the kitchen? and does it know to automatically play in 2 channel format for speaker B?
post #1632 of 1988
can this firmware upgraded by individual or do we have to send it for upgrade?
post #1633 of 1988
It has to go to a service center.
post #1634 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by alrha View Post

thanks. same here. its a matter of playing music (via PS3 or music channels on cable) or hearing the TV or a movie when getting a snack from the kitchen). is the volume adjustable when setup as speaker B so as not to play too loud in the kitchen? and does it know to automatically play in 2 channel format for speaker B?

As far as I am aware, there is no separate volume controls for Speaker B . . . that is a drawback. In our setup, the kitchen speakers do tend to run louder than the main room . . . so we have to watch that depending on where we are listening the most. Not drastically louder, mind you . . . but a touch louder. But it is also a smaller space and different acoustics, so that could make a difference as well.

It automatically puts output to Speaker B in stereo.
post #1635 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by piketech View Post

As far as I am aware, there is no separate volume controls for Speaker B . . . that is a drawback. In our setup, the kitchen speakers do tend to run louder than the main room . . . so we have to watch that depending on where we are listening the most. Not drastically louder, mind you . . . but a touch louder. But it is also a smaller space and different acoustics, so that could make a difference as well.

It automatically puts output to Speaker B in stereo.

There has got to be a way to lower the volume of the B speakers. I cant imagine that they are stuck at that volume. Even if they are going to go up and down in volume with the main speakers there must be a way to at least lower their relative volume. They are way too loud for me at the current volume. Perhaps in MCACC or something there may be a way? anyone? What i liked about the Zone2 was that I was able to keep the kitchen volume lower. (the kids bedrooms are also above the kitchen and i dont feel like rocking them out of their beds when i'm watching a late night movie)
post #1636 of 1988
^^^

i'm not aware of anything that would have a separate volume control for speaker b... by definition, speaker b gets what speaker a gets...

setting it up as a separate zone would be the only way to do it...

alternatively, you could get less efficient speakers for the kitchen...
post #1637 of 1988
mcacc cant adjust speaker b?
post #1638 of 1988
not separately, no...

again, by definition, speaker a and speaker b get the same information... it's worked that way forever, and it's not unique to pioneer avr's...

you'd need to set it up as zone 2... there's really no other option...
post #1639 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

not separately, no...

again, by definition, speaker a and speaker b get the same information... it's worked that way forever, and it's not unique to pioneer avr's...

you'd need to set it up as zone 2... there's really no other option...

oh well. i guess back to square 1. and no way to have zone 2 play whatever is on zone 1?
post #1640 of 1988
Got a question...I just received my new, second sub yesterday (another HSU VTF2 MK3) and ran another MCACC. Aside from some of the settings that changed, which is kinda wierd since I didn't change any of the speakers or placement of them, I did notice a BIG decrease in dB for the sub. I have my first one setup at 9:00 on the volume (which was recommended by HSU) which gave me a perfect 0.0 in MCACC! I have the second one exactly the same...letting the 92 manage bass! When I looked in the MCACC settings for the new calibration in gave my sub a -7.0dB... I was told by Pat at HSU that a sub added to another will only gain a 3dB boost... So, is this okay? I was guessing it would of been -3.0 or somewhere like that but -7.0???

Never mind...talked with Pat at HSU and I got to tell you, those guys over there are great...real helpful and professional! I could either do three things but in the long run leaving it at -7.0dB is okay since the two together are way more effficent now..
post #1641 of 1988
Forgot a question...Pertaining to my last post, I did notice a change in the Standing Wave as well...and wondering why this should change since all other speakers are at the same position?

One I have been using:

Main

No. 1 2 3
f 71Hz 250Hz 125Hz
Q 6.2 4.8 9.8
ATT 6.0dB 3.0dB 3.5dB

Center:

71Hz 250Hz 185Hz
6.2 4.8 9.8
6.0dB 3.0dB 5.5dB

SW:
71Hz 250Hz 125Hz
6.2 4.8 9.8
6.0dB 3.0dB 3.5dB Trim +1.5dB


New Config:


Main:

No. 1 2 3
f 71Hz 250Hz 125Hz
Q 6.6 8.4 9.8
ATT 6.0dB 2.5dB 2.5dB

Center:

71Hz 250Hz 185Hz
6.6 8.4 9.8
6.0dB 2.5dB 6.0dB

SW:

71Hz 250Hz 125Hz
6.6 8.4 9.8
6.0dB 2.5dB 2.5dB Trim +1.5dB

Are these okay or what????
post #1642 of 1988
Well..I did it anyway...I made sure my first sub was at the 0.0dB after MCACC and then turned it off and turned on the new sub where it is in position and ran MCACC untill I got the level at 0.0dB as well...then ran MCACC the last time with both subs on and got a -5.5dB on it which sounds okay! Now was that okay...in the way I did that to equal each sub and then run a final MCACC?
post #1643 of 1988
My original post I stated I had issues with my "handshake" via HDMI and the PS3 slim. I was not getting HD audio from my PS3 slim. Well I took the 92 in and had the software update. All my audio issues were corrected.
However, the service place told me I had a bad HDMI card (I guess the HDMI is ports are on a card, like in a computer). I never suspected that I had issues with my HDMI. I asked what exactly was wrong with the card, the only answer I got back was the signal was not processing correctly (no more details other than that).
This service along with the software upgrade was all covered under my warranty. I first thought maybe they were...padding the bill. However, the picture I have now is noticeably different that what I had before. I have a Sony VPL-VW60 projector (in a dedicated home theater room) and I originally thought the "soft" picture was a result of me not adjusting the VW60. Well...it is not the case. the picture is a lot "sharper" colors are more vibrant, just an all around better NOTICEABLE picture.
I am writing this because I read a lot about video and audio issues with the 92, using HDMI. I cannot believe that I am the only one with a bad HDMI card. If the 92 is still under warranty, I would strongly suggest taking it in for the software update, they may find other issues.....
I would also like to thank Legairre for all his help. We spoke on the phone and gave me very valuable tips.
post #1644 of 1988
i never took mine in for anything. how do i know if it needs one or where to take it?
post #1645 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by fadtmd View Post

My original post I stated I had issues with my "handshake" via HDMI and the PS3 slim. I was not getting HD audio from my PS3 slim. Well I took the 92 in and had the software update. All my audio issues were corrected. I would strongly suggest taking it in for the software update, they may find other issues.....
I would also like to thank Legairre for all his help. We spoke on the phone and gave me very valuable tips.

Could you please post the various software modules versions you got with the software update? thanks!
post #1646 of 1988
Pauls09...this was a post from a very qualified poster back in January...

Hi Stu, great talking to you the other day. You can get the firmware updated, but you'll have to ship it to a center if there isn't one near you(call 1-800-228-7221 for the center to ship it to). Just be sure to tell them you have an HDMI switching issue or they won't want you to get it done just for the heck of it.

To check your firmware do the following.

1) Turn the volume ALL the way down until you see "---" (very important)
2) Flip down the front panel
3) Turn off the receiver
4) Hold the SELECT button and the MULTI/ZONE "on/off" button at the same time.
5) Use the down arrow below the SELECT button to scroll through the version info

Here's the most recent firmware numbers for you to compare your to:
M1.006
E1.002
DISP1.000
D1.005
H1.010
F2.007
S1.000

Here's what they mean: M = MAINBOARD
E = EVENT
D = DSP
H = HDMI
F = 1st DSP FLASH
S = 2nd DSP FLASH
DISP = DISPLAY

If you need some help let me know and I can walk you through it over the phone if you want.

Legairre
post #1647 of 1988
man i hate this thing.... first it would lock up on me and i couldn't turn it off, adjust volume or anything. had to unplug. had it fixed under warranty. now 3 months out of warrant the left rear channel dies. man i wish i got the yamaha.
anyway, does anyone know if this is something i can fix on my own, or does she need to go in for repair. i fix computers servers for a multimillion dollar company for a living so i'm pretty tech savy. it doesn;t look too complicated in there. just a bunch of boards that fix together just like a computer.
post #1648 of 1988
search the web for schematics... if you can find them, someone as tech savy (sic) as you should have no problems...
post #1649 of 1988
here's what I get - any need to update it:

M1.004
E1.002
DISP1.000
D1.002
H1.006
F2.007
S1.000
DC: 000
OVER: 004
CON: 000
FAN:000
TEMP:000
post #1650 of 1988
Quote:
Originally Posted by alrha View Post

here's what I get - any need to update it:

M1.004
E1.002
DISP1.000
D1.002
H1.006
F2.007
S1.000
DC: 000
OVER: 004
CON: 000
FAN:000
TEMP:000

IMO I would suggest you update it. H1.006 which is the HDMI firmware, is an older one. Its just good to be on the safe side so you don't run into problems later with something that you purchase in the future such as the latest and greatest Blu-ray player. I updated my 94 to the latest because this receiver will be used for a very long time. I've tamed my upgraditis habits in this economy.
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