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post #1891 of 1960
1/10/13 at 4:47am
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congratulations! & I understand your sentiment smile.gif was kind of hard to pull my 59Txi off the shelf when I first got the SC-09 but I think you'll get over it wink.gif
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post #1892 of 1960
1/10/13 at 4:52am
I thought I had fixed the issue but it seems either it came back or I never truly fixed it. My front right channel seems to not be working. Has anyone else had this happen? Ive never had it updated. I thought previously if i tried a different dolby mode it would work. Ill have to try tonight to see.
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post #1893 of 1960
1/10/13 at 6:13am
Well...I know that the SC-1222 has more functionality than the 92 in terms of network connectivity, codecs etc. However, be prepared for a dramatic difference in power handling compared to the 92. I bought an SC-67 because I wanted the additional HDMI, Zone, and network functionality. I made no other changes to my system. When I powered up the $1800 SC-67 and put it through its' paces, I was shocked at the distortion levels at higher volumes. I suspected that this would happen given the weight difference between the 92 and the 67. At the end of the day, the smaller transformer and light weight power supply components of Pioneers' new stuff uses just can't deliver the higher volumes or drive the less efficient speakers. yes...the additional functionality is nice but its' not worth it at the cost of the low-end amp design.

I had macyver repair my 92 boards and went back ti using it as my primary receiver in the HT. I use separates i my audio room so I will eventually use the sc-67 as a preamp/processor but I just can't live with the new pioneer wimpy amp circuitry.
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post #1894 of 1960
1/10/13 at 10:35am
Hey guys, I am looking to sell my VSX-92TXH and I was wondering if anyone has a good ballpark price range to sell it in? I was thinking about $300 to $400 but not exactly sure. I have babied this thing since I got it, I wipe it down with a microfiber towel regularly. Thanks
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post #1895 of 1960
1/10/13 at 10:43am
I sell them for $600 to $700 installed as long as I am just replacing an existing receiver and I don't have to run any new wires. I go ahead and do some basic remote programming as part of the deal if they were using the old receiver's remote for other devices.

They don't go for much on ebay or other sites because because most people prefer newer models over the robustness of the 92/94. Also, if it has had the motherboard repaired or not is very important to me. I would only pay $200 if they have not been updated with the new caps. Hope that helps...
MosFetMan
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post #1896 of 1960
1/10/13 at 10:58am
Thanks for the quick response Mosfetman. I have never had any trouble with the receiver so she has never been in the shop at all. Still original everything, is that not a good thing?
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post #1897 of 1960
1/10/13 at 12:07pm
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Hey guys, I am looking to sell my VSX-92TXH and I was wondering if anyone has a good ballpark price range to sell it in? I was thinking about $300 to $400 but not exactly sure. I have babied this thing since I got it, I wipe it down with a microfiber towel regularly. Thanks
I just sold mine for $280.00 about a month ago. I bought mine in December of 2007 and have never had any reason to replace the motherboard and it worked flawlessly. The only thing you might want to do is update it to the latest firmware which is version 2.013. You can do the upgrade to 2.013 yourself and a member in the big 94TXH thread gave the 2.013 firmware to myself and many others earlier last year and it solved a lot of problems. Let me know if you want it and I can zip it up and send it to you with instructions. It's pretty easy to do.
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post #1898 of 1960
1/11/13 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

I just sold mine for $280.00 about a month ago. I bought mine in December of 2007 and have never had any reason to replace the motherboard and it worked flawlessly. The only thing you might want to do is update it to the latest firmware which is version 2.013. You can do the upgrade to 2.013 yourself and a member in the big 94TXH thread gave the 2.013 firmware to myself and many others earlier last year and it solved a lot of problems. Let me know if you want it and I can zip it up and send it to you with instructions. It's pretty easy to do.

I was the lucky buyer smile.gif and Legairre helped me set it up even with all my dumb questions since i had never owned a Pioneer receiver. Now am pretty comfortable with it thanks to Legairre and the trusty manual.
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post #1899 of 1960
1/12/13 at 7:13am
Hey everyone. I just had a "hopefully" quick question. I have a 7.1 system and want to use the pro-logic IIx or another post processing technique to matrix my rear speakers with my surrounds. When I play something in DTS Master HD the only option i have available is THX Cinema. When I turn this on, i don't get any sound from the rears. Reading the manual it seems to says that THX Cinema, THX Select2 Cinema (which i think is the one i want) THX MusicMode and THX Games Mode should be available. I have SBch Processing set to On. Is there something else I need to do? Am i not understanding the chart on page 94 in the manual? Is this something that was maybe fixed in a firmware update (I'm still on the original firmware I had when purchased in 2007). I do actually have an appointment soon to have the firmware updated because i've been running into the DTS Bomb issue.

Anyways, sorry for the wall of text, any help would be much appreciated.
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post #1900 of 1960
1/12/13 at 7:26am
The issue I was having above was when i was using my computer to play the movies. I just tried using my dedicated bluray player and I was able to access the THX Cinema 2 option. I'm not sure what is different about the two as they were both outputting DTS-MasterHD through HDMI... I'll mess around with it some more and see if I can figure out what is going on in case the information could help someone else.
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post #1901 of 1960
1/12/13 at 12:47pm
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I was the lucky buyer smile.gif and Legairre helped me set it up even with all my dumb questions since i had never owned a Pioneer receiver. Now am pretty comfortable with it thanks to Legairre and the trusty manual.
hey Imageless how's it going? sounds like you're up and running pretty well. The 92 are great receivers. Heck I don't even own one anymore and I'm still in the thread. If you ever have any question you know I'm always willing to help.
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post #1902 of 1960
1/12/13 at 12:53pm
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The issue I was having above was when i was using my computer to play the movies. I just tried using my dedicated bluray player and I was able to access the THX Cinema 2 option. I'm not sure what is different about the two as they were both outputting DTS-MasterHD through HDMI... I'll mess around with it some more and see if I can figure out what is going on in case the information could help someone else.
Pioneer receivers cannot apply PLIIx to 5.1 DTS-Master HD, and matrix it to 7.1, so as you've discovered you have to use the THX mode to get 7.1 from 5.1. DTS-Master HD. I've never heard any reason why Pioneer receiver's can't apply PLIIx to DTS Master HD, but maybe it's a licensing issue or a fee they don't want to pay .

Not sure why you cannot get matrix THX processing through the computer. Is your computer set to PCM or bitstream?
Edited by Legairre - 1/12/13 at 1:04pm
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post #1903 of 1960
1/12/13 at 3:10pm
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the newer ones can. but you're correct the older models cannot. I know the SC-09TX couldn't but somewhere in the time frame of the SC-37 maybe even 27 series, people said they could.

and this year's SC-68 can so I expect all the new models have the capability now. the limitation could have been due to the early DTS-MA decoders Pioneer used, lack of DSP power OR the way Pioneer implemented DTS-MA decoding in their players at that time, which were known to duplicate side surrounds into the rears if the players were set to decode to PCM and if bitstreaming, the receivers just couldn't do it, with the exception of THX.

before I added the SC-68, I used to set my Oppo 93 to PCM, and the SC-09 could then add PLIIx, so it was also tied in with the players. My Pioneer BDP-09 duplicated so the SC-09 would not add PLIIx to PCM from the BDP-09 player. Adding an Oppo player & setting it to PCM made it possible to add matrix processing with the SC-09, so it's probably also an option for the 92TXH.

Fortunately, these quirky implementations seem to be behind us smile.gif
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post #1904 of 1960
1/12/13 at 3:58pm
Thanks for the info I wasn't aware the newer models could do it. You're also correct that if you set the player to do the decoding and send out PCM the 92 can then apply PLIIx to the PCM signal.
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post #1905 of 1960
1/13/13 at 11:07pm
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Well...I know that the SC-1222 has more functionality than the 92 in terms of network connectivity, codecs etc. However, be prepared for a dramatic difference in power handling compared to the 92. I bought an SC-67 because I wanted the additional HDMI, Zone, and network functionality. I made no other changes to my system. When I powered up the $1800 SC-67 and put it through its' paces, I was shocked at the distortion levels at higher volumes. I suspected that this would happen given the weight difference between the 92 and the 67. At the end of the day, the smaller transformer and light weight power supply components of Pioneers' new stuff uses just can't deliver the higher volumes or drive the less efficient speakers. yes...the additional functionality is nice but its' not worth it at the cost of the low-end amp design.

I had macyver repair my 92 boards and went back ti using it as my primary receiver in the HT. I use separates i my audio room so I will eventually use the sc-67 as a preamp/processor but I just can't live with the new pioneer wimpy amp circuitry.


Wow, this worries me, I don't have long to test out the sc1222, so I guess I will make it a quick install and see if I notice the same thing. frown.gif

I'm driving a 7.2 set of wharfedale opus/evo2s, all 6ohm.
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post #1906 of 1960
1/14/13 at 5:55am
Well i figured out my issue. It wasn't my computer, my bluray player or the receiver. It was the movie i was using. I was trying Empire Strikes Back on my computer and since the movie is DTS Master HD 6.1 instead of just 5.1, the THX Select2 Cinema option wasn't available to me. Once I tried a different movie it all worked well. Does the 92 do 6.1 DTS Master or just send the audio to the 5 speakers? The speaker indicator lights only lit up for the fronts, center and surrounds. Nothing indicated that the speakers in back were being used.
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post #1907 of 1960
1/14/13 at 10:08am
The 92 does DTS Master 6.1 and DTS Master 7.1. It's just that DTS Master 5.1 can't be matrixed with PLIIx. With DTS & DTS Master 6.1 both "back" surrounds will receive the same information. Also if you're running the original firmware from back in 2007 then you don't have the fix that turned the back speaker lights on for DTS Master 6.1 & 7.1(it worked for some disk but not others)so you'll hear it coming out of the back speakers, but you'll only have 5.1 lights instead of 6.1 or 7.1 lights.

Here's a list of the firmware updates from Mark Booth in the 94TXH thread. The 92 & 94 booth used the same firmware updates.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/891909/the-official-vsx-94txh-thread-0/4750_50#post_21004552

Also the latest firmware (2.013) fixes, an issue with no back surround with bitstream on the Star wars BD. Last I heard dealers still don't have 2.013, but you can get it from me or others who go it from a user in the 94 thread and apply it yourself.

BTW the updates are cumulative so if you upgrade to say 2.013 then you get all the fixes. There are some important HDMI handshake and DTS bomb fixes that you should get so it's worth upgrading the firmware.
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post #1908 of 1960
1/14/13 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by Legairre View Post

hey Imageless how's it going? sounds like you're up and running pretty well. The 92 are great receivers. Heck I don't even own one anymore and I'm still in the thread. If you ever have any question you know I'm always willing to help.
Yep its going great, just trying to get the wife some practice with the new receiver as well.
This thing never gets hot at all compared to the onkyo, i think we run it for over 12 hours this sat watching movies and the Ravens game.
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post #1909 of 1960
1/20/13 at 1:20pm
Legairre - Noting your offer of a zipped-up firmware update to 2.013 could I request a copy please. Instruction will probably tell me all I need. but would appreciate confirmation if it must be written to a DVR-R or is CD-R satisfactory.
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post #1910 of 1960
1/20/13 at 1:49pm
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Legairre - Noting your offer of a zipped-up firmware update to 2.013 could I request a copy please. Instruction will probably tell me all I need. but would appreciate confirmation if it must be written to a DVR-R or is CD-R satisfactory.
Hi Ross I just sent you the firmware. The instructions say to burn it to a CD so I would not use a DVD. If you need any help just give me a shout.
Edited by Legairre - 1/20/13 at 2:22pm
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post #1911 of 1960
1/20/13 at 2:00pm
Hi Legairre,

I've been following this thread and especially your informative posts.

Could you PM me the firmware update and instructions?

Thanks in advance,
-Bob
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post #1912 of 1960
1/20/13 at 2:24pm
Hi Bob, I don't think I can pm the firmware, but if you pm me with your email I'll send it as a .zip file.

Legairre
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post #1913 of 1960
1/21/13 at 11:06am
Legairre,
Done & Done!! Thanks so much for your assistance. The only item I would note for others doing this is that following appearance of "OK" once the update is completed, you must power off the receiver before being able to proceed with Step 7 to check the new version.
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post #1914 of 1960
1/22/13 at 4:46am
Hi Legairre-

Thanks for your help with updating our units. I tried updating mine a year ago and I tried again last night- no luck. I'm not sure if the issue is with how I burned my cd-r or if it's my optical player. I tried with discs burned with imgburn and with with windows media player. The instructions state that it must be burned as a music disc and not a data disc- did anyone else on Windows use another utility that's free?

I've tried 4 different dvd&blu-ray players. One of my DVD players is a pioneer unit that is stated in the instructions to not work... I don't have any idea if none of them are passing the data unaltered... Anyone have any advice?

I'd rather not do the two hour round trip again to have it updated at a service center... 2.013 came out right after I did this a couple of years ago...

Thanks for any suggestions!
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post #1915 of 1960
1/22/13 at 9:40pm
^^^^^^^ My Dell with Windows XP came with a program 'MusicMatch Burner Plus' which is what I used to burn the audio disc. Also I note you mention Blu-ray players. As far as I know these will not work because of the HDMI connection. You must use either a optical or a coax-digital connection.
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post #1916 of 1960
1/24/13 at 11:37am
Yes, I did use the optical connection from my blu-ray player when I tried that.

Has anyone tried hooking up the Pioneer receiver to the optical port on a computer motherboard and playing the .wav file from Windows Media Player? I might try that.

My pioneer receiver isn't hooked up right now, so I can move it around easily enough.

Thanks, AL
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post #1917 of 1960
1/26/13 at 12:48pm
Arg- just spent another hour trying to get this thing to update DSP1. I hooked it up to my PC. I set my sound card's optical jack to output 44.1 KHz, 16 bit stereo.

Is there a way I can check this on the receiver? When I hit the "Status" button, it just says PCM. Is there any way to confirm that what's coming from my PC is indeed 44.1KHz 16 bit stereo?

Also, to make sure, sure the Signal Select be "Auto" and "Digital", but not "Auto" Digital" and "PCM"? I've tried it both ways.

I've tried 4 different CD/DVD/Blu-ray players, plus my PC. Audio music CDs play just fine through the optical port.

The instructions say to set the Volume to - infinity sign (sideways eight). I assume that means to turn the volume all the way down- I get three dashes "---" - am I understanding that correctly?

I have to believe that it's something I'm doing wrong- probably something simple...

I'm happy to reset all the settings on this thing to try. Anyone know how to do that?

Also, I think I changed a EX.SSP setting- anyone know what the default is? I pressed some buttons and I probably changed it- I left it @ 1400, but it might have origininally been 1500 or 1600. I don't even know what it is.

Thanks for any help! AL
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post #1918 of 1960
1/26/13 at 2:59pm
the directions on this file are very clear that a certain type of drive is recommended, some of the old Pioneer universal DVD players, for example. and CD players.

it's a crapshoot as to which player will work or not work. I recall some had luck with their BD players but don't recall which ones. that was over a year ago.

I can copy the directions in the SC-09TX service manual for updating DSP with the wav file and that's all the documentation I have. I don't have the service menu directions for the 92txh.

1-26-2013 5-52-30 PM.jpg 229k .jpg file

All I can advise you on is I used a DV59AVI player which I still have, and it worked flawlessly. I know others used the 868 & other DVD players, the euro models on the list & it worked. I think someone may have used a Panasonic but I sure don't recall which one now. if you're lucky and your PC drive is the type on the list, I would think it would work.

you must be in the proper place in the service menu as well but it looks like you got that part figured out smile.gif

even more basic question is - did you create the disc as an audio disc? it cannot be a data disc with a wav file on it. it has to be mastered by your burning software specifically as a CDA audio disc.
Edited by ss9001 - 1/26/13 at 3:09pm
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post #1919 of 1960
1/26/13 at 4:03pm
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Arg- just spent another hour trying to get this thing to update DSP1. I hooked it up to my PC. I set my sound card's optical jack to output 44.1 KHz, 16 bit stereo.

Is there a way I can check this on the receiver? When I hit the "Status" button, it just says PCM. Is there any way to confirm that what's coming from my PC is indeed 44.1KHz 16 bit stereo?

Also, to make sure, sure the Signal Select be "Auto" and "Digital", but not "Auto" Digital" and "PCM"? I've tried it both ways.

I've tried 4 different CD/DVD/Blu-ray players, plus my PC. Audio music CDs play just fine through the optical port.

The instructions say to set the Volume to - infinity sign (sideways eight). I assume that means to turn the volume all the way down- I get three dashes "---" - am I understanding that correctly?

I have to believe that it's something I'm doing wrong- probably something simple...

I'm happy to reset all the settings on this thing to try. Anyone know how to do that?

Also, I think I changed a EX.SSP setting- anyone know what the default is? I pressed some buttons and I probably changed it- I left it @ 1400, but it might have origininally been 1500 or 1600. I don't even know what it is.

Thanks for any help! AL
I sold my 92 back in December for an Anthem MRX300 so I can't go into the menu and tell you what the value for EX.SSP should be. I'm hoping some of these guys will be good enough to check the value for you by doing the following.

Come on guys help him out, do the following and post the value for EX.SSP

1. Set the volume of the receiver to --- (turn volume all the way down)
2. Turn off receiver
3. Press the ENTER key and Multi-Zone & Source/REC SEL ON/OFF key simultaneously for 3 seconds.
4 .Press arrow up or down until you see EX.SSP



Also let's see if we can get your update working. First off what player are you using for the update? Also are you burning it to a DVD or CD?

Thanks
Legairre
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post #1920 of 1960
1/27/13 at 4:03am
Thanks Steve & Legairre for your help! I've tried using a Pioneer DVR-633H (combo SD DVR and DVD player), Pansonic DVD-CV52, Sony DVP-5360. I believe I tried using my LG Blu-Ray player last year- I'll give that a try again here. I also have an original PS3 that I could try too. I burned the CD-R using Windows Media Player. Last year's attempt I used ImgBurn. I actually have a Pioneer DVD-533 that is on the "does not work" list.

When I tried using my PC yesterday, I played the .wav file straight from Windows Media Player. A couple of questions:

-Does anyone know if I can get the unit to display the specifics of the PCM type- aka if it's 44.1 16 bit. This should help me to learn if the player is massaging the output.

-Should the Signal Select be "Auto" and "Digital", but not "Auto" Digital" and "PCM"? The procedure lists "Auto" and "Digital". Obviously the input is PCM though.

Thanks again. My ability to try things is a little sporadic- I have twin 3 year old boys and I recently moved into a new house that I'm still getting put together. I do want to get this thing updated before I hook everything up- so I'll keep trying things as I get bits of free time! AL
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