Official Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH thread - Page 65

OMG (sorry for sounding like a teenage girl!) I got it. I hooked up the LG Blu-ray player (BD-570 - it's a piece of junk- doesn't play most blu-ray discs anymore.) I put in my CD-R burned from WMP and it wouldn't read the disc. I googled and decided to burn a CD-R (onto another brand of CD-R, Sony - the WMP disc was OfficeMax) using a program called CDBurnerXP. I changed the LG player's optical output to be "pass-thru" instead of PCM. And it worked! Not sure for the other players if the disc wasn't burned correctly, or if they simply weren't passing the cd audio through unaltered. Anyway, it's finally done- and I can hook my ~30 wires up to it knowing I won't need to unhook it again for a long time. I suspect considering it's age, there won't be any additional firmware updates. I had my last receiver for 18 years, hopefully if I don't have an issue with the capacitors that some have eluded to, this one will last me quite a lot longer.

I probably wouldn't have taken it to a service facility to be updated- right before 2.013 was released I did that and I ended up taking 3 half days off of work- the third trip was because the guy didn't get everything updated. I'm lucky to have brought the instructions for inspecting the firmware versions with me to pick it up the first time- otherwise I would have had four trips back and forth. Anyway, I wasn't willing to go through that again!

Thanks again for your help guys. Any chance Steve you can look up your EX.SSP value for me? Thanks! AL

Dude no problem at all. We couldn't just leave you there like that with it not working. BTW you weren't acting like a teenage girl. It can be very frustrating especially when you change a value and can't get the update to work. I have an IM in to another 92 owner who is a great guy and will probably get the original EX.SSP value for you.

BTW I noticed last night you are less than 2 hrs from me. My next suggestion was going to be that I drive up to your house with my CD player and see if we can get it to work. Let me know if I can ever help with anything.

Legairre

Sorry for the late reply guys

I checked and mine said EX.SSP 1500 ms.

Thanks and let me know if i can check anything else for you

imagelss83, thank you very much for helping him out.

Legairre

congratulations! glad you finally got it to load.

Thanks guys for your time and effort. I got my EX.SSP set back to 1500. I can now hook this puppy back up to everything!

A question- I see that mosfetman a page back eluded to VSX-92txh boards with capacitor issues. Is this common? I actually have a VSX94txh (this thread has been more active the last month than the -94.) Just wondering if anyone knows anything about characterization of the problem- will we all end up having issues at some point, or was there simply a bad batch and those who are going to have issues likely already had the problem? Just curious if I should watch out for bad behavior with my receiver- and I assume there's no need to have it "repaired" preventively.

Several years ago I started hearing about Dell motherboards with bad capacitors- and I had about 5 of the specific models @ work. Sure enough, over 18 months they all died. I assume if these receivers had the same type of problem, we would see a lot more posts about it. I had my last receiver for 18 years- and I hope to have this one for a long time- well, at least until 4K TVs & content become mainstream and affordable I hope it doesn't die on me because of some cheap part failing!

Thanks, AL
Edited by pnkflyd51 - 1/27/13 at 1:11pm

Legairre- you have been really helpful to all of us with VSX-92s and -94s over the last years. Can't believe you would offer to pay me a visit to help! It's very much appreciated! Thanks, AL

SUCCESS ! Well after multiple attempts to upgrade the firmware on my 92 with a Panasonic Blu Ray , a LG dvd , PS3 slim and even a Toshiba HD-DVD with negative results ( no data transfer occurring ) I bought a 10 pack of new memorex CD's and presto worked like a charm with the Panny BD-60 Blu Ray!
Was concerned for a minute when I went to verify Firmware Version and it just said DSP-1 000 but hit down arrow a few more times and it read 2.013 .
So if any of you are having no success try some new CD's !

Props out to Legairre for helping everyone on this forum .
THANK YOU SIR ! ! !

Thanks guys, glad to help.

I'm having a problem with my 92 that I hope someone might be able to help me with. I can't get any sound to come out of the subwoofer. The other speakers are set to small and I've adjusted the crossover. I'm not sure if this is normal but in the speaker setup menu I can't actually highlight the subwoofer option. When I'm on the SB option and I press the down key the menu selects X.OVER so I can't change the setting to plus. Until I stopped having bass I never used the manual setup (used MCACC) so I don't know if this is a symptom of subwoofer or receiver failure or something else entirely. I have a Definitive Prosub 600 and the power light on it turns on but no sound comes out. There's a fuse in the sub and it looks fine. I don't have another receiver or sub to test the components. This is really driving me crazy and any help would be greatly appreciated.

OK let's see if we can get you going with the sub. go into the following menus:

System Setup MENU>> Manual SP Setup >> Speaker Setting: Then position your cursor/ highlight "SW" and hit the left/right arrow keys. I'm asking because you had said you used the up/down keys and not the left/right keys keys on the remote.

Also what does the SW option show? YES or NO?

Another thing to try is run Auto MCACC and just let the first part run where it detects all your speakers and see if it detects an error for the sub(you can cancel MCACC right after the speaker detection part). Also try another interconnect and see if the sub cable is just bad and also see if the RCA connector on the back of the 92 is just dirty(I've had this happen before, bad cable or dirty RCA connection).

Don't worry we'll keep at this until we figure out what's wrong.
Edited by Legairre - 2/13/13 at 4:11pm

I can't highlight SW in the menu. When I'm on the option above SW and press down to highlight SW, the cursor skips to the option beneath SW.

The SW option shows yes.

I tried running the MCACC program and it didn't give me any errors for the subwoofer, it just didn't detect one because it didn't make any noise. I have tried another cable as well as cleaning the terminal.

Are there firmware updates available for this model and if so do you think they'd help? If it makes any difference I bought it at some point in 2007 or maybe early 2008.

Thanks so much for getting back to me quickly.

That's really odd you ran MCACC and the sub didn't make any sound but it still passed the sub check? The speaker check is based on the mic actually hearing the speaker make noise. It's odd to pass the check if the speaker didn't make any noise.

OK so the sub is on and lights up and the subs volume is up right? Hit A.Parameter on the remote and toggle up or down until you see LFE ATT on the 92 display. Is LFE ATT set to "0"? Make sure it's not set to OFF. If it's set to off you won't get any sound from the sub.

Also if you check the channel levels on the 92 what is the sub set to?

BTW: there are upgrades since 2007 but none address the sub issue you are having.
Edited by Legairre - 2/13/13 at 5:48pm

I'm not sure which thing the sub check is but when I did MCACC it played the test tone out of each speaker and once it was done it gave me the option to change the speakers from on to off (it had set the sub to off and there was no test tone out of it).

In A.Parameter LFE ATT was set to 0.

Recently when I started having a problem I set the channel level to +10 for the sub.

OK so it set the sub to off so it thinks you don't ave a sub. Can you check the speaker menu again and see if the sub is still set to yes even though MCACC set it to off. Can you also try another cable. Any RCA cable that will reach will do. Heck you could even use one of those cheap 3ft red/white and yellow cables that come with AV gear to test it out.

The speaker menu still says yes for SW.

Sorry I forgot you already tried another cable. Do you have another way to ensure the sub is working? MCACC ran the speaker test and it didn't detect a sub so it set it to no and the SW is greyed out in the speaker menu. It sounds like the sub is not working or the 92s sub connection is bad.

Also unplug the sub cable from the back of the receiver and touch the tip. Is there a loud buzzing sound from the sub?

I connected the sub to some of the other pre-outs and got nothing but I don't know if that's normal. I don't have another receiver or sub but in the next couple weeks I could meet up with a friend who has stuff I could test mine with.

Also unplug the sub cable from the back of the receiver and touch the tip several times. Is there a loud buzzing sound from the sub?

The sub doesn't make a buzzing sound when I touch the connector but the power light is on the back of it is on.

Darn you should definitely be getting a buzzing sound from the sub every time you touch the tip. the light is on so it has power but the amp could have a problem if your not getting a buzzing sound. What sub is it and how old is it?

Also when you plugged the sub into another speakers RCA on the 92 you should have heard sound. It really sounds like it's a bad sub amp.

It's a Definitive Prosub 600 and I got it at the same time I got the receiver so 2007/2008. I should be able to meet up with my buddy at some point in the near future and borrow his sub to test with my receiver. It totally seems like you're right about it being the sub amp. I'll let you know once I get a chance to test out the other sub. Thanks for all your help

Hey anytime glad to help. Let me know how it turns out. I hope everything goes well.

Legairre

So I borrowed my buddy's sub today. I hooked it up to my 92 and went through the MCACC. This sub made noise and worked fine, however, after going through MCACC completely I still can't change the SW setting in the manual speaker setup. When SB is highlighted and I press down to select SW it just skips over and goes to X OVER.

OK now I understand your problem. When you select small for the front speakers you cannot change the sub and it's stuck on YES. That is the correct behavior. When the speakers are set to small YES is automatically selected and greyed out. If you select small it sets the sub to YES because small means send all frequencies below the crossover to the sub. You cannot use PLUS unless the fronts are set to large. PLUS is also known as double bass because the sub and the fronts both play the entire frequency range and ignore the crossover. Basically no crossover is used PLUS.

In order for small to work as it does with a crossover sending all frequencies below the crossover to the sub the sub is set to YES. PLUS means no crossover is used so it works with large which also does not use a crossover.

See the Note: at the very bottom of page 47 of the manual:
This is standard bass management in receivers and pre/pros. At least you know the 92 is fine, but on the downside you need to get a new sub. Have you decided on which sub to get as a replacement yet?

BTW: Sorry I didn't understand earlier about the greyed out YES. I sold my 92 back in December for an Anthem MRX-300 so I don't have it anymore and I can't click around the menu for troubleshooting. If I still had it this would have been a lot easier to resolve.
Edited by Legairre - 2/22/13 at 6:16pm

I don't own a Pioneer, but processors with SUB + MAIN type settings generally still employ the crossover, which determines at which point low frequencies start being sent to the mains to the sub.

Yes you can do sub+main with the Pioneer by setting the fronts to small with a crossover. The Pioneer will then default to a fixed setting of sub = YES which is equal to sub+main. What he wanted to do was set the fronts to small, set a crossover and set the sub to PLUS which would have made the sub ignore the crossover. The sub can onlyLUS and ignore the crossover if the fronts are set to large. Then you'll have double bass because the fronts and sub will both be playing the same bass all the way down to 20Hz or below.
Edited by Legairre - 2/22/13 at 7:44pm

Hi guys, well it is my time to get my firmware updated. I've been hearing the static/crackle sound on BD discs and I thought it might be the Sony BD player. Bought a new Samsung and same thing. Tried different inputs, cables, and was about to go shopping for a new AVR when I found out it is a firmware issue. Now the hard part, updating the firmware.

I got the firmware from HKor's web site (thanks!). I burned it as an audio file to an audio disc. When I put the disc in the player is seems to recognize it as an audio file and begins to play it. It shows 2:06 on the time scale. So I think that part is okay. The problem is the AVR is not receiving a proper signal. I've tried an optical cable via the front panel Game 2 input. I've tried a coax via the back panel connection. I can play a normal CD through the front panel Game 2 optical port without a problem. I made sure the Signal Select is set to Auto - Digital. When I play the firmware CD I see "PCM" come up on the front panel. So it is hearing something through that input. When I enter the service menu on the AVR and page up to the DSP1 menu and it say "(GO ON)" I hit 'play' on the disc and I don't get an HDMI light. I've tried three different BD players (two Sony's, one Samsung). I've tried to dumb down any processing on the audio output from the BD player. I'm sending it out PCM (hope that is right) but no joy. I might be just SOL. Any ideas?

Thanks

Myself and another member had to buy a new pack of CD-Rs before we could get HDMI light to flash. How old was the CD-R.