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post #211 of 1988
So I've read in this thread that if you want the receiver to send a digital video signal to your tv via HDMI with no video scaling, you set it to the "Pure" option in the menu.

What about components that are hooked to the receiver via analog (component/s-video/composite) and are converted to a digital signal and sent by HDMI. Is this what the PURE setting is for - to avoid the scaling but still convert the analog component to digital?

I going to be purchasing this reciever within the next week or so, and I just want to be absolutely sure that I can hook any device to the reciever - digital or analog - and have it sent to my Pio 5010 with no scaling whatsoever by the DCDi chip. Am I correct in believing that this is possible with the VSX-92TXH?

Thanks!
post #212 of 1988
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

New 92 owner here. I just replaced an 82.

I was skeptical about Bitstream HD audio vs PCM and to me the receiver does a better job of processing the sound. OR it could be that the 92 has an overall better internals over the 82.

Either way, I'm happy with my purchase. I have everything hooked back up again and all inputs changed over to what I had before. Didn't take long at all.

I remember your posts on the 82 thread last year and earlier this year, welcome. What a pain in the ass about the whole firmware BS. I had the 82 last year and have the 92 now like you. You will be much happier with the 92. The MCACC has a more indepth setup this year. Adds a step or 2 to last years MCACC. I agree about the skepticism about PCM and was confirmed last night, when I put the new Panny BD30 player to the test with the 92. The bitstream of TrueHD sounds much nicer than when the PS3 decodes it and send it PCM. The DTS-HDMA tracks are also very satisfying. Very 'FULL' sound from those tracks. Nothing seems to be missed.
post #213 of 1988
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Originally Posted by jcs913 View Post

I remember your posts on the 82 thread last year and earlier this year, welcome. What a pain in the ass about the whole firmware BS. I had the 82 last year and have the 92 now like you. You will be much happier with the 92. The MCACC has a more indepth setup this year. Adds a step or 2 to last years MCACC. I agree about the skepticism about PCM and was confirmed last night, when I put the new Panny BD30 player to the test with the 92. The bitstream of TrueHD sounds much nicer than when the PS3 decodes it and send it PCM. The DTS-HDMA tracks are also very satisfying. Very 'FULL' sound from those tracks. Nothing seems to be missed.

Yes that whole firmware update was a true debacle. I'm glad I didn't listen to my urges and dump Pioneer all together. I'm very satisfied with my 92 so far.

The MCACC does go into more steps that the 82 did. My only wish was the PS3 sent out Bitstream audio instead of decoding it. Hopefully there will be an update to correct that. I just don't have room to add another CE to my shelf.

I would love to listen to my DTS Master tracks for Blu-ray.
post #214 of 1988
thank you guys for the response I am going forward with the 92 I love the way it sounded when I demoed it and it produces better sound at least for me than the sony did I am pairing it up with the focal speakers those little cubs together they sounded great at the store so I am going with it hopefully it will sound great
post #215 of 1988
sorry i meant the little sibs not cubs
post #216 of 1988
I picked up a 92 last Saturday as I need to replace the Yamaha RX-V1700 I just sold (need additional HDMI inputs and want HD audio decoding). Overall it appears to be a nice unit. Easy to setup even though the remote is rather confusing at first.

I haven't spent a lot of time with it but I noticed when I turn MCACC off the system appears to come to life. The dynamic range increases and sounds coming from the various speakers jump out at you.

It set the channels to:

L: -3 (large) (25-20,000) (12" sub)
C: -8 (small) (55-20,000)
R: -3.5 (large)
SR: 0 (large) (29-20,000) (8" sub)
SBR: -3 (large) (51-20,000)
SBL: -3
SL: -.5
SW: -8

These don't appear to be too far off of the Yamaha's settings outside of the center channel. I believe it was only 2 or so off the fronts. However when I turn MCACC off I can clearly hear the center channel being too loud.

I haven't checked the levels yet with my trusty Radio Shack sound meter but I'm presuming they aren't too far off (if at all). I'm just wondering why the system sounds so drab when MCACC is active.

I presume when I turn it off it drops the channel levels to zero? Which explains why the center channel appears to come of life (it's louder!). But it doesn't really explain all of the other channels coming to life.

The best way I can describe it they sound clearer and more dynamic. I have watched a couple of HD movies using MCACC and overall I was impressed. I haven't played a lot of known material to compare it to my old receiver yet but right now I'm more concerned with why I hear such a dramatic difference between using MCACC and turning it off.

My speakers are fairly nice Boston Acoustics and the fronts and surrounds have built-in subwoofers (I use the fronts' subs for LFE).

Any suggestions or hints for coming up with the best sound?

One thing about the Yamaha you could tell it how to auto calibrate your system. There were several options such as evening out all of the speakers, calibrating to certain speakers, or based on your fronts (if they were your best speakers). I much preferred using Front however all of my speakers are fairly well matched. When it used Front it had more of a dynamic sound as well... I guess that's what I prefer.
post #217 of 1988
I used my Radio Shack meter right after calibration and to my suprise, it was dead on accurate.

I had to adjust a few channels on my 82, but I was shocked that the 92 got it perfect on setup. Cheers to Pioneer.
post #218 of 1988
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

I used my Radio Shack meter right after calibration and to my suprise, it was dead on accurate.

I had to adjust a few channels on my 82, but I was shocked that the 92 got it perfect on setup. Cheers to Pioneer.

What did you use to check the settings with your Radio Shack meter, i.e., is there a way to get the 92 to send out a test signal for each speaker apart from using the MACC?
post #219 of 1988
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Originally Posted by smitty View Post

What did you use to check the settings with your Radio Shack meter, i.e., is there a way to get the 92 to send out a test signal for each speaker apart from using the MACC?

Yes - you can go into the Manual MCACC and have fun.
post #220 of 1988
Can this receiver decode DTS-HD High Resolution & Dolby Digital-Plus soundtracks?
post #221 of 1988
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Can this receiver decode DTS-HD High Resolution & Dolby Digital-Plus soundtracks?

Look here...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...tailsComponent
post #222 of 1988
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Yes - you can go into the Manual MCACC and have fun.

Usually you would do the auto one first to get it pretty darn accurate for all things (level, distance, delay...etc).

Then afterwards, go into the manual settings and adjust the levels. Thats what I did with my 82.
post #223 of 1988
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Usually you would do the auto one first to get it pretty darn accurate for all things (level, distance, delay...etc).

Then afterwards, go into the manual settings and adjust the levels. Thats what I did with my 82.

That's what I plan to do, although the MACC on the 92 did an awesome job. I was amazed how good it sounded after I finished the process. I just like to know how to fine tune things if I want to, and to be able to double check things.
post #224 of 1988
I just picked a 92 up today. Will have impressions later tomorrow or perhaps sooner. I'm coming from an HK-635 and a Denon 3803. Needed the hdmi inputs and want dolby trueHD from my receiver as well as DTS-Masterless audio although I'm under the impression this won't happen with the PS3 (rumored to tho). If I select Masterless would it go to PCM?
post #225 of 1988
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post

Yes that whole firmware update was a true debacle. I'm glad I didn't listen to my urges and dump Pioneer all together. I'm very satisfied with my 92 so far.

The MCACC does go into more steps that the 82 did. My only wish was the PS3 sent out Bitstream audio instead of decoding it. Hopefully there will be an update to correct that. I just don't have room to add another CE to my shelf.

I would love to listen to my DTS Master tracks for Blu-ray.


FYI: the PS3 will never bitstream out any of the advanced codecs. It's chipset will not allow it. Potentially it may internally decode DTS-HDMA and send it out as PCM, but that is not why you bought the 92 was for the PCM. So I broke down and bought the new Panny BD30 over the weekend. It bitstreams all codecs to the 92 and is well worth the money. It is much nicer than the PS3 i've had for a year. Loads faster, full audio support, better PQ, etc. The bedroom gets the PS3. Although, I love the Elite, I could not see spending $1000 for the Elite 95BD, when the Panny does the same for $499.

There was one strange question I had, and posted in several places with no answer yet, upon playing X-Men 3 with it's DTS-HDMA track, the dial norm popped up before the track went live. I thought the dial norm was not apllied on DTS-HDMA tracks. I had another guy tell me his Elite 91 did the same, but Onkyo users said they did not see it come up. Any ideas?
post #226 of 1988
Did anyone tried MCACC PC utility (the one that communicates through COM port)? Anything interesting there?
post #227 of 1988
So i decided on the 92, great receiver, I just havent gotten full time to setup the thing i did the auto setup with the mic and sounded ok for regular calibration.
post #228 of 1988
Did anyone tried MCACC PC utility (the one that communicates through COM port)? Anything interesting there?

Yes, I tried it, it does not work and it seems that I am the only one who cares about it, because I posted several posts about it and no one replied.

It seems that people are more concerned about the remote being able to start their popcorn popper than acoustics on this site...
post #229 of 1988
I'll just also post here, since this is the 92TXH thread, that the Toshiba A35 DVD player causes a popping sound in my speakers when I use the 92TXH pre-outs to use outboard amps. I don't know whether the problem is the A35 or the 92TXH. I did try a 94TXH and I get the same popping with the A35, but I don't get it if I use an older SD-DVD plalyer from Toshiba. On ther other hand, I don't have any problem when I use the A35 with another pre-pro I have and an older Yamaha receiver. Anyway, I just wanted to give a heads up if anyone uses the pre-outs on the 92 or 94 with the Toshiba A35. I think there may be some incompatibility issue.
post #230 of 1988
I set up my receiver and am very impressed with the sound quality for movies. Great combination with the paradigm speakers I have. Lots of detail and clarity. The auto calibration worked flawlessly. However, it set my speakers to Large which i feel is incorrect. I manually set my speakers to small and it had a much fuller sound.

I'm not understanding how to get True-HD tho. I'm using a PS3. What should I set the output sound to bit stream or linear PCM? I was only able to get Dolby Digital and not TrueHD when playing around with the Fifth Element(new version). Sounds way better when I output to LPCM and then use the Uncompressed soundtrack. I thought the PS3 could do trueHD but maybe I was wrong. Thanks for any help.

EDIT: Also tried with my toshiba a1 player. Shows output at PCM 96KHZ but no TRUE HD displayed?

I'm sorry if this has been brought up before.
post #231 of 1988
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Originally Posted by PierreP View Post

Did anyone tried MCACC PC utility (the one that communicates through COM port)? Anything interesting there?

Yes, I tried it, it does not work and it seems that I am the only one who cares about it, because I posted several posts about it and no one replied.

It seems that people are more concerned about the remote being able to start their popcorn popper than acoustics on this site...

Isn't there some kind of software available on the Pioneer site to use on your PC? I looked for it on their site but couldn't find it.
post #232 of 1988
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Originally Posted by plaplante View Post

Isn't there some kind of software available on the Pioneer site to use on your PC? I looked for it on their site but couldn't find it.

I was able to download a file from this page. It was listed about 1/3 of the way down. I don't know if it will be suitable for the 92.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...ilter=&x=0&y=0
post #233 of 1988
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Originally Posted by paradigm View Post

I'm not understanding how to get True-HD tho. I'm using a PS3. What should I set the output sound to bit stream or linear PCM? I was only able to get Dolby Digital and not TrueHD when playing around with the Fifth Element(new version). Sounds way better when I output to LPCM and then use the Uncompressed soundtrack. I thought the PS3 could do trueHD but maybe I was wrong.

The PS3 needs to do the decoding as it won't send TrueHD over bitstream so PCM is the right choice. Using bitstream you will get 640kbps Dolby Digital.
post #234 of 1988
Are you guys using the THX mode for HD DVD/BD movie listening, or just using the standard mode? I have the 91 actually, but figure it's probably the same.
post #235 of 1988
Is there any difference between the 92 & 94 besides an extra hdmi input, usb input, ethernet input and 140w?
post #236 of 1988
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Is there any difference between the 92 & 94 besides an extra hdmi input, usb input, ethernet input and 140w?

I think that about covers it. If you go on the Pioneer website and look at these models, they let you pick whatever models you want to do a side-by-side comparison. It's pretty useful, and it shows these models are not much different, except in a few limited respects.
post #237 of 1988
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Is there any difference between the 92 & 94 besides an extra hdmi input, usb input, ethernet input and 140w?

Thats it. In fact, I called Pioneer with the same question and told them that I already had a PRO150-FD which has plenty of HDMI imputs as well as the USB and Ethernet inputs. I asked them what the additional $300 would get me besides 10 more watts per channel and an extra HDMI input. They said, good question and they would have to get back to me. They called the next day and told me all I would lose is the ability to get internet radio. So I took the $300 I saved and used that to help me buy the BDP-95FD.
post #238 of 1988
Anyone have any speaker suggestions for this receiver? My room is approx. 1500 - 2000 cubic feet (vaulted ceiling). In addition to movies, I'm also a big fan of heavy metal music, so I would like the speakers to work well for both. My price range would probably be no more than $2000-$2500.
post #239 of 1988
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Originally Posted by mlfarris View Post

Anyone have any speaker suggestions for this receiver? My room is approx. 1500 - 2000 cubic feet (vaulted ceiling). In addition to movies, I'm also a big fan of heavy metal music, so I would like the speakers to work well for both. My price range would probably be no more than $2000-$2500.

I have paradigm speakers set up for my pioneer and my movie room. However if you like metal Ascend speakers are a good choice. They are kind of ugly and unassuming but I like them for hard rock. http://www.ascendacoustics.com/
post #240 of 1988
I was able to download a file from this page. It was listed about 1/3 of the way down. I don't know if it will be suitable for the 92.

The MCACC software version 1.4 on Pioneer Website does not seem work with the new receivers, it gives an error message when you try to download the data.

Try it and let us know if you have the same problem, only one other guy reported this problem since no one seems to have tried it. I called Pioneer and they never returned the call, I e-mailed them 2 weeks ago and they replied that they would get back to me on this and they never did...
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