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post #31 of 1960
9/24/07 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by SAC-CA-HT View Post

Kind of a different question...do these receivers have the issue the latter receiver line had of the "PCM LFE" bug? I tried to do some searching but really couldn't come up with what the issues were. I'm unsure if my 92 has those issues, but it seems when I'm watching TV the LFE is noticeable. When I put in a movie like Crank with a 7.1 soundtrack I don't notice it as much and I started to think if it was related to this. Am I worrying about nothing? And can someone tell me what this "bug" was? For some reason I'm search-tarded.

The new Elite series does not have the LFE bug, nor the HDMI problems with conversion. The are firmware solid, as of now.
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post #32 of 1960
9/24/07 at 8:53pm
im curious on to what sound level you guys normally keep your 92 at?
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post #33 of 1960
9/25/07 at 5:11am
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Originally Posted by mel22b View Post

...and when you turn the volume up and down it is instantly displayed on screen???

You will need the SR+ cable to get it to view the Volume on the TV Screen, UNLESS you have the new Kuro Pio displays, then you can use the HDMI control.
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post #34 of 1960
9/25/07 at 5:13am
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im curious on to what sound level you guys normally keep your 92 at?

for me, it's about -30...Though this all depends on what the station is pushing for a volume. I still find myself changing volume a lot, depending on the station.
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post #35 of 1960
9/25/07 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by JoeInNVa View Post

for me, it's about -30...Though this all depends on what the station is pushing for a volume. I still find myself changing volume a lot, depending on the station.

So, -30 on the 92... what is showing on the display via SR+ when the 92 is set to -30?
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post #36 of 1960
9/25/07 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

So, -30 on the 92... what is showing on the display via SR+ when the 92 is set to -30?

I think that is about 30 to 35...I could be wrong though...
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post #37 of 1960
9/26/07 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by JayMan007 View Post

So, -30 on the 92... what is showing on the display via SR+ when the 92 is set to -30?

I checked last night and -30 on the receiver is 33 on the TV via SR+
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post #38 of 1960
9/26/07 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by JoeInNVa View Post

I checked last night and -30 on the receiver is 33 on the TV via SR+

Thanks...

Since the range of the AVR is -80 to +12 (92) and the display is 0 - 60, then it's about a 1.5 to 1 ratio. I'm guessing that one click-up on [AVR] volume, might not show up as an increase on the display volume?
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post #39 of 1960
9/26/07 at 2:02pm
Since I dont have an Elite receiver could someone explain to me what SR+ is and how it is setup. I am hoping this will work with my setup and volume display would make me a happy man.

PS. I think the first post in the thread should have this pic on it:



Thanks in advance.
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post #40 of 1960
9/26/07 at 6:58pm
Ok I have a question on how I should set up another set of speakers. Right now I have the 92 with a 5.1 system, but I also have in wall speakers around the house. All of the speakers are connected to a switch and the switch has the bare wire connections. Right now I have the in-walls set as Speaker B but I want to be able to adjust the volume on them independently from the 5.1. I usually have the 5.1 and the in walls playing at the same time but the volume on the in walls are still to low. I know I could add an amp but I have my old onkyo receiver and I tried connecting the in wall speakers to the onkyo and the 92 pre-amp outputs to one of the inputs on the onkyo so I could have an independent volume control but the thing is Im not getting any sound. Is there another output I should use on the 92, like multi-zone? but I dont really want to play different sources just the same one.
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post #41 of 1960
9/27/07 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by mel22b View Post

I am just wondering if the Elites have on screen volume level through HDMI?

Stephen,

In light of the other posts regarding the SR+ cable, I think some clarification is in order. I don't have this Elite receiver and have never used a Pioneer unit before but this unit is on my shortlist. From my understanding:

1. Yes, the OSD (On Screen Display) is carried over HDMI. According to the main Elite 92TXH, 94TXH, etc. thread, the answer is yes. My question to other owners here is: Is the receiver volume displayed as well or just the setup menu?

2. The SR+ cable is an additional cable used in conjuction with Pioneer plasmas. The cable will enable OSD feature along with other features such as input switching on plasma display.

If your plasma (or display) is a non-Pioneer unit, then I think item #1 is applicable for your question.
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post #42 of 1960
9/27/07 at 6:10am
I'm in the market for a Elite 92, a couple of quick questions though.

1. Are there any issues with HDMI --> DVI? I have a Mits 55813 with DVI w/HDCP. Right now I have the Onkyo 705 and it works fine with all my HDMI in's and my Mits. Does anyone see any reason I might have a problem with a 92? I'm going to the 92 due to lip-sync and upconversion to 1080i over component.

2. I noticed in this thread that you have to toggle thru all Inputs till you get to the one you want. I have a Harmony 880, will I be able to select an input directly with it? If I have to toggle thru inputs that would definetely be a deal breaker for me.

Thanks for any advice!
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post #43 of 1960
9/27/07 at 6:52am
I'm using a Hitachi RPTV with DVI+HDCP, and have noticed no issues.

You do not need to toggle through all inputs. The stock remote provides discrete input selection buttons.
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post #44 of 1960
9/27/07 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by skriefal View Post

I'm using a Hitachi RPTV with DVI+HDCP, and have noticed no issues.

You do not need to toggle through all inputs. The stock remote provides discrete input selection buttons.

Thanks my man for the quick reply, I'm going to go ahead and order one up!
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post #45 of 1960
9/27/07 at 9:56am
Ya i read some more and the on screen volume can only be put through SR+ and therefore you would need a Pioneer display to have this feature. I will just use the invisible Elite projector that Pioneer makes.

BTW, does anyone know the 'street price' for the 92 in the states?
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post #46 of 1960
9/27/07 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by mel22b View Post

Ya i read some more and the on screen volume can only be put through SR+ and therefore you would need a Pioneer display to have this feature. I will just use the invisible Elite projector that Pioneer makes.

BTW, does anyone know the 'street price' for the 92 in the states?

Seems to be $1299 and you might be able to work a deal for 10-15% off.

I went to my local Best Buy which has a Magnolia last night (I hate BB, I pretty much can't stand the store but they had what I wanted so I figured I'd stop in and see if they would cut me a deal at all). I go in and browse around for about 10 minutes, there was one sales guy in the whole store. He doesn't even come up and ask to help me. So finally I go and talk to him, and he seems annoyed that I am even bothering him. I ask him about the 92 and he says "yeah we have it", I ask him how much he will come down on it? He says "Huh", I ask him again how much $$$ can you knock off the sticker price and he says "Oh we don't do that here", so I said well I guess I don't buy my equipment here, I'll go to Tweeter I will most likely never go into that store again. I might go look around if they have something I want to see but I'll NEVER buy from them. They did have some nice equipment but at their "solid" prices they will only sell to schmucks. No educated individual pays full price on TV's and audio equipment.

BTW, my Tweeter sales guy doesn't have the 92 yet but said the price is $1299 but he'll "work" with me I'm still trying to decide if I should go to him for it or get it from Soundpros.com which everyone seems to like on here.It's a couple hundred cheaper online but then you get into the whole voided warranty. Hmmm.......????
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post #47 of 1960
9/27/07 at 11:25am
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Seems to be $1299 and you might be able to work a deal for 10-15% off.

I went to my local Best Buy which has a Magnolia last night (I hate BB, I pretty much can't stand the store but they had what I wanted so I figured I'd stop in and see if they would cut me a deal at all). I go in and browse around for about 10 minutes, there was one sales guy in the whole store. He doesn't even come up and ask to help me. So finally I go and talk to him, and he seems annoyed that I am even bothering him. I ask him about the 92 and he says "yeah we have it", I ask him how much he will come down on it? He says "Huh", I ask him again how much $$$ can you knock off the sticker price and he says "Oh we don't do that here", so I said well I guess I don't buy my equipment here, I'll go to Tweeter I will most likely never go into that store again. I might go look around if they have something I want to see but I'll NEVER buy from them. They did have some nice equipment but at their "solid" prices they will only sell to schmucks. No educated individual pays full price on TV's and audio equipment.

BTW, my Tweeter sales guy doesn't have the 92 yet but said the price is $1299 but he'll "work" with me I'm still trying to decide if I should go to him for it or get it from Soundpros.com which everyone seems to like on here.It's a couple hundred cheaper online but then you get into the whole voided warranty. Hmmm.......????

If I'm trying to work at deal, I wouldn't just flat out say how much can you take down the price.. I would talk to him at least for a couple minutes to see the best way to work a deal to him. Why not try again and see if someone else is there.
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post #48 of 1960
9/27/07 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by BodegaBay View Post


1. Yes, the OSD (On Screen Display) is carried over HDMI. According to the main Elite 92TXH, 94TXH, etc. thread, the answer is yes. My question to other owners here is: Is the receiver volume displayed as well or just the setup menu?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...5&postcount=33
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post #49 of 1960
9/27/07 at 12:20pm
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If I'm trying to work at deal, I wouldn't just flat out say how much can you take down the price.. I would talk to him at least for a couple minutes to see the best way to work a deal to him. Why not try again and see if someone else is there.

You know when you go to buy a new car and the salesman is just a plain d!ck? His initial reaction was to just ignore me, even after I tried to talk with him he was inpersonable. Maybe I didn't look like a guy who belonged in his store or I didn't have any money, his loss. No big deal I'll just take my business elsewhere, I'd much rather wait one week for the sales guy that treats me kind and is courteous and will go out of his way to get me what I need vs. the guy who is just rude and ignores me in his store. There are hundreds of stores I can buy a product from, it just won't be the POS Best Buy in my area.
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post #50 of 1960
9/27/07 at 4:44pm
Just bought a 92. Sounds good so far but its early. I love the MCACC. I will do some testing and listening and let you know what I think in the next few days. One thing I can say is the heat is much lower than my Onkyo.
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post #51 of 1960
9/27/07 at 5:50pm
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You know when you go to buy a new car and the salesman is just a plain d!ck? His initial reaction was to just ignore me, even after I tried to talk with him he was inpersonable. Maybe I didn't look like a guy who belonged in his store or I didn't have any money, his loss. No big deal I'll just take my business elsewhere, I'd much rather wait one week for the sales guy that treats me kind and is courteous and will go out of his way to get me what I need vs. the guy who is just rude and ignores me in his store. There are hundreds of stores I can buy a product from, it just won't be the POS Best Buy in my area.

Thats a little different then, I would have gone elsewhere as well then.
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post #52 of 1960
9/27/07 at 7:16pm
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...5&postcount=33


Joe: that doesn't tell me anything other than OSD can be displayed on older Pioneer plasma using SR+ cable. What I'm asking is can this receiver output the OSD via HDMI to any other brand of displays -e.g. Panasonic, Samsung, etc? Does the OSD show itself on on these displays -- does it show setup menu, does it show the reciever volume, etc.

Are there any owners here that can actually confirm OSD via HDMI?
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post #53 of 1960
9/27/07 at 8:12pm
Setup menu works via HDMI/DVI to a non-Pioneer display. Volume display, however, does not seem to work. I believe it uses a new protocol called HDMI Control that has been implemented only by some of the new Pioneer "Kuro" televisions.
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post #54 of 1960
9/27/07 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by skriefal View Post

Setup menu works via HDMI/DVI to a non-Pioneer display. Volume display, however, does not seem to work. I believe it uses a new protocol called HDMI Control that has been implemented only by some of the new Pioneer "Kuro" televisions.

Thank you, that's the info I needed confirmed. Btw, I've used the new Denon 3808Ci on my friend's system and it's GUI (graphical user interface) outputs all menus on top of the HD feed including receiver's volume display. The OSD is opaque on top of the picture beneath it - all in HDMI. Pretty neat feature. I'm a little disapointed that the new Elites didn't implement this feature beyond compatibility of it's Kuro plasmas.
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post #55 of 1960
9/28/07 at 4:54am
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Joe: that doesn't tell me anything other than OSD can be displayed on older Pioneer plasma using SR+ cable. What I'm asking is can this receiver output the OSD via HDMI to any other brand of displays -e.g. Panasonic, Samsung, etc? Does the OSD show itself on on these displays -- does it show setup menu, does it show the reciever volume, etc.

Are there any owners here that can actually confirm OSD via HDMI?

That is not what you asked...

You asked
'My question to other owners here is: Is the receiver volume displayed as well or just the setup menu?"

And my answer answered that question. And no where did i say that the SR+ cable will show the OSD. As far as I know the OSD will NOT come through the SR+ cable.

And in another thread, actually one you quoted, I said YES, refering to the question that it will display over HDMI. I did not specify which brand of TV because there was no need for it because it works on all brands.
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post #56 of 1960
9/28/07 at 9:20am
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That is not what you asked...

You asked
'My question to other owners here is: Is the receiver volume displayed as well or just the setup menu?"

And my answer answered that question. And no where did i say that the SR+ cable will show the OSD. As far as I know the OSD will NOT come through the SR+ cable.

And in another thread, actually one you quoted, I said YES, refering to the question that it will display over HDMI. I did not specify which brand of TV because there was no need for it because it works on all brands.

Then I misunderstood your explanation of the SR+ cable, which apparently is a Pioneer exclusive interface to control compatible components. It does have something to to do with OSD in that it will overlay the receiver volume to a Pioneer plasma display.

I guess I should have clarified my question as:

"I know from you that OSD is carried over HDMI. I understand that the setup menus are displayed over HDMI but is the receiver volume overlayed on top of the video signal via HDMI?"

Getting setup menus to display is one thing but overlaying the receiver volume via HDMI while a video signals play in the background is another. Not many receivers have the capablitiy of overlaying OSD on top of video signal via HDMI.

Apologies for the misunderstanding as I'm accustom to Denon, Onkyo, and Integra Research processors; this is my first time dealing with Pioneer. Thanks.
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post #57 of 1960
9/29/07 at 12:35am
Hey - Can anyone tell me why my new system won't work properly?
All new - TV is 46" Toshiba 1080 HDMI 120Hz LCD REGZA, Pioneer Elite 92,
Pioneer DVD Elite 1080 HDMI, HDMI DVR cable box.
6 Audio Monitor small speakers with Audio Monitor 360 sub woofer.
Everything is hooked up in the order that the receiver manual required.
The DVR cable box is connected to HDMI 1, the DVD player is connected to HDMI 2 and the TV is connected to the output. In the Initial INPUT settings, the TV is turned off for all and the DVR 1 is HDMI input 1, the DVD is HDMI input 2. I power on like the manual says with the receiver first, then DVD, then DVR box, then subwoofer, then TV. The TV plays fine for quite awhile. Then I play a DVD. When I am finished, I turn off the DVD player and then the TV. Now the problems start. When I turn the TV back on, it plays for about 3-5 minutes and then I lose video first, next the audio goes. I turn it off and when I turn it on again, nothing. Any ideas anyone? Maybe the 92 is not communicating with the TV? Any suggestions?
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post #58 of 1960
9/29/07 at 12:47pm
I just purchased my 92txh Thursday. I have a Pan 10A. I have it going thru hdmi to 92 and have it set to pcm on blu-ray player. When I switch from pcm to dd, I am hearing no difference in the sound. I have the dd set to bitstream on the Panny. Has anyone else had this problem and could someone assist me in the correct setup so that I can hear the "significant" difference in the 2 formats that most people are blown away from? Thanks in advance.
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post #59 of 1960
9/29/07 at 6:28pm
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I just purchased my 92txh Thursday. I have a Pan 10A. I have it going thru hdmi to 92 and have it set to pcm on blu-ray player. When I switch from pcm to dd, I am hearing no difference in the sound. I have the dd set to bitstream on the Panny. Has anyone else had this problem and could someone assist me in the correct setup so that I can hear the "significant" difference in the 2 formats that most people are blown away from? Thanks in advance.


It depends on what the disc has as a codec. If you select PCM, your player will decode all audio tracks into PCM and output them as PCM, which is the same as bitstreaming. If you use bitstream, it will bitstream all tracks, except TrueHD and DTS-HDMA, because your player cannot bitstream these. If you select the PCM, Dolby Digital or DTS main track, whether you bitstream it or have it set to PCM, you get the same thing.
The only time when you will hear something different is if you select the TrueHD track or DTS-HDMA track. If I remember correctly, your player can decode TrueHD and send it out as PCM. You must use PCM on your player to hear this. You cannot bitstream this, as you will only get the DD core track. Your player does not support DTS-MA, so no worries there.
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post #60 of 1960
9/29/07 at 8:13pm
I know that it depends on the codec. Say for instance that I'm listening to Casino Royale. Has uncompressed pcm and dd 5.1 track. On my player, I have dd as bitstream. When I'm watching the movie and going thru the audio, when switching between uncompressed and 5.1, shouldn't i hear a difference?
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