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post #3121 of 3723
3/22/10 at 10:43am
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Originally Posted by ricemanva View Post

Multi-Channel Sound works fine, but when I choose Stereo, Direct or Direct Pure, I get sound from the Subwoofer, but not from L or R speakers. L and R speakers work fine in Standard or any of the Pro-Logics...

Hi rice. Seems odd. Did you get this unit used? Here's something to check, as per your owner's manual look under Manual-> Front Speaker setup->Custom. Assuming your Fronts are connected to Front A posts, go into your menu and make sure all settings are set to "A" there.

Did you mean L & R front or surrounds?
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post #3122 of 3723
3/22/10 at 10:44am
ricemanva -

If you have a 5.1 setup, ensure that the AMP ASSIGN setting is set to the mfr default of "Zone2" rather than what you likely have it set to now .."2 CH" (Owner's manual p. 31).
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post #3123 of 3723
3/22/10 at 10:57am
Thanks to both you and SoundofMind for the quick advice. I will double check this setting tonight and let you know the results.

Since I have a 5.1 setup and only 1 zone, I find it odd that the right setting is Zone 2, but will definitely check it out. But who am I to question the wizards at Denon?

I appreciate the help you give everyone here.
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post #3124 of 3723
3/22/10 at 11:23am
The vast majority of folks only have a 5.1 setup like you, therefore the SBL and SBR jacks default to Zone2 as that would likely be the next most common use for them. With AMP ASSIGN set to "2 CH" you would actually have another set of speakers specifically for 2 CH music listening connected to those rear surround jacks.
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post #3125 of 3723
3/22/10 at 6:56pm
Worked like a charm. If you look closely at page 56 of the manual, it even shows a separate set of speakers for the 2 Channel setup.

Thanks again for the help.
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post #3126 of 3723
3/23/10 at 2:04pm
SoundofMind, thx for answering all my question. I am actually now considering the 989 since you guys suggested it. I can get it for the same price as the 2808 and while it doesnt have the cool remote it does have 2 more HDMI inputs which I could conceivably need in the future.

Question...does the 989 have the aluminum faceplate and knobs that the 28xx series have? I know the 3 digit line and the 4 digit line have the same internals but what would I be losing from a quality perspective by going with the big box 989? I cant stand plasticy feeling audio components.

Any other things I might need to know about choosing a 989 over a 2808ci?

Thanks again.
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post #3127 of 3723
3/23/10 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by AudioCrow View Post

SoundofMind, thx for answering all my question. I am actually now considering the 989 since you guys suggested it. I can get it for the same price as the 2808 and while it doesnt have the cool remote it does have 2 more HDMI inputs which I could conceivably need in the future. Question...does the 989 have the aluminum faceplate and knobs that the 28xx series have? I know the 3 digit line and the 4 digit line have the same internals but what would I be losing from a quality perspective by going with the big box 989? I cant stand plasticy feeling audio components. Any other things I might need to know about choosing a 989 over a 2808ci? Thanks again.

You're welcome, my pleasure. That 989 is a good find, I'd for sure go with a 989 over a 2808. Besides, a Harmony remote is even better than the fancy Denon remote. Yes the 989 has a very solid build and metal faceplate. The 989 was the replacement for the 988 and simply added features with no losses AFAIK.

IIRC there's precious few differences from 98x to 280x besides the remote, something about zone 3 capability I think. You can find my early posts comparing my 988 to my 2809 in the 989/2809 thread and see the first post in that thread for lots of good info.

This guy seemed to really like his 989 over his 988 too.
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post #3128 of 3723
4/13/10 at 8:58am
Is there a way to pull video only from 1 HDMI source and audio from another source? In this case I would like to be able to play my PS3 and listen to music from my Denon iPod docking station (or any other analog input). Any help would be appreciated. If necessary I would do it with component connections for PS3 but I would prefer to do that with HDMI.

Edit: I just noticed this in a similar thread ("Official" Denon AVR 2809CI/989 Thread )
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5th question in the FAQ: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html

Q: Can I mix the audio and video from two different sources? For example, can I watch the game on TV while listening to music on my CD player?

A: Denon AVR's have for years had a "Video Select" function (sometimes labeled on the remote as "V.Select") which allows you to mix the audio and video from different sources. The functionality is explained well in the manual (for once).

Go to the source you want to hear audio from, and then keep hitting "V.Select" until the display indicates that you are getting video from the source you desire. For audio-only sources, like the "CD" input, you can also pre-assign the Video Selection in the INPUT SETUP menu.

Unfortunately, however, there is one major hangup with newer Denon models - you cannot use the Video Select function with any HDMI sources!! This is a pretty big bummer, and is one of the (many) reasons it is probably better to leave your cable box hooked up via component video + digital audio as opposed to HDMI. You cannot mix the audio and/or video from ANY HDMI source using Video Select at all.

There are workarounds -- for example, you could temporarily go into INPUT SETUP and actually reassign the audio input you desire to match with the video input you are watching. Or you could run a second audio connection to the input you get the video from (for example, "TV/CBL") and use the "input mode" buttons to switch from HDMI audio to "digital" or "analog". But, of course, if you forget to change it back your wife will be wondering why she is trying to watch TV and only gets sound from the CD player!


unfortunately, the Video Select function cannot be used with HDMI sources! So there is no way to do this directly. I am assuming your SACD player is connected with analog multich cables right? And you just switched Input Mode to EXT IN to mix SACD + HDMI video?

Something similar can be accomplished as a workaround if you are able to split the audio output from the ipod dock so that the RCA audio feed also goes into whatever input the PS3 is assigned to (e.g. if your PS3 is assigned to "DVR" you could feed the analog audio from the ipod split into the "DVR" RCA input jacks). Then, by switching Input Mode to ANALOG it would mix HDMI video from PS3 with analog audio from the ipod dock.

Unfortunately, there is no way to get it to worth though without resorting to a workaround like this...
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post #3129 of 3723
4/13/10 at 2:00pm
I have a 7.1 setup with the Amp Assign set to 7.1. All of the speakers are properly configured during the automatic setup and calibration.

When an input signal is Dolby Digital I cannot get the 2808 to use the rear speakers. It will only play in 5.1 mode.

Is there any way to get the rear speakers to duplicate the signal for the rear surrounds?
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post #3130 of 3723
4/13/10 at 2:10pm
have you tried hitting the STANDARD or CINEMA button to engage PLIIx Cinema mode?

you can also do this in the PARAMETERS section of the OSD, there should be an option for SB CH OUT (see pg 39 of your manual). You can set how you want it to matrix the rear channels with 5.1 content.
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post #3131 of 3723
4/13/10 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

have you tried hitting the STANDARD or CINEMA button to engage PLIIx Cinema mode?

Hitting the Standard button has no effect. I have not tried the Cinema button but will do so tonight.

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

you can also do this in the PARAMETERS section of the OSD, there should be an option for SB CH OUT (see pg 39 of your manual). You can set how you want it to matrix the rear channels with 5.1 content.

Did not know about that but will also check that tonight as well.

Thank you for the tips and guidance!
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post #3132 of 3723
4/13/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by KayakJim View Post

Hitting the Standard button has no effect. I have not tried the Cinema button but will do so tonight.

Unlike the 2010 models, there is no separate Cinema or Music button on the 2808 remote. The rears should work by simply pressing the STD button (either Dolby Digital for a 7.1 signal or Dolby Digital + PLIIx for a 5.1 signal). What specific BD/DVD are you playing and what specifically does the display read when you do?
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post #3133 of 3723
4/13/10 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Unlike the 2010 models, there is no separate Cinema or Music button on the 2808 remote. The rears should work by simply pressing the STD button (either Dolby Digital for a 7.1 signal or Dolby Digital + PLIIx for a 5.1 signal). What specific BD/DVD are you playing and what specifically does the display read when you do?

This is when watching HD TV through my AT&T U-verse. The display reads "Dolby Digital".
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post #3134 of 3723
4/13/10 at 3:53pm
You might try connecting an optical cable and see if that works. AFAIK, there are still issues with DD over HDMI with the Uverse box which might be what you're experiencing.
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post #3135 of 3723
4/13/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You might try connecting an optical cable and see if that works. AFAIK, there are still issues with DD over HDMI with the Uverse box which might be what you're experiencing.

I am indeed using HDMI with my U-verse.

I don't have an optical but I do have a digital coaxial. How would I bypass the audio in the HDMI and use the optical / digital coaxial connection?

I also noticed that you have a link in your signature that points to 2 firmware updates for the 2808. I read the topic but was unable to find any files to actually download. Are they no longer there?
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post #3136 of 3723
4/13/10 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by KayakJim View Post

I am indeed using HDMI with my U-verse.

I don't have an optical but I do have a digital coaxial. How would I bypass the audio in the HDMI and use the optical / digital coaxial connection?

I also noticed that you have a link in your signature that points to 2 firmware updates for the 2808. I read the topic but was unable to find any files to actually download. Are they no longer there?

If you have the Uverse connected to HDMI (DVD), just connect coax cable to coax 1 (DVD). Then go into Input Mode and change it to Digital.
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post #3137 of 3723
4/13/10 at 6:54pm
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Originally Posted by KayakJim View Post

I also noticed that you have a link in your signature that points to 2 firmware updates for the 2808. I read the topic but was unable to find any files to actually download. Are they no longer there?

The updates are fixes for the specific problems listed in my post. If you need them, please PM me with a valid email address as requested in the post.
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post #3138 of 3723
4/14/10 at 6:53am
As jdsmoothie mentioned earlier, my system does not have a distinct Cinema button. I only have the Standard button.

While the display is showing Dolby Digital and the input does show 5.1 (speaker display on left side of display), pressing the Standard button has no effect.

I did go into the Parameters option and verified the surround rears were set to on as the default.

I did not get a chance to try out the coax cable but hopefully will be able to do so tonight.
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post #3139 of 3723
4/14/10 at 7:22am
What about the "output" boxes on the right side of the 2808 front display ... are 8 boxes showing (to include the rear speakers)?
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post #3140 of 3723
4/14/10 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What about the "output" boxes on the right side of the 2808 front display ... are 8 boxes showing (to include the rear speakers)?

The output or right side is also only displaying 5.1. Pressing the Standard button does not change that display nor the surround mode (i.e. Dolby Digital -> Dolby Pro Logic IIx -> DTS Neo:6). I only get DD in 5.1
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post #3141 of 3723
4/14/10 at 8:45am
I'm not sure but I think you need to toggle the "Surround Back" button
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post #3142 of 3723
4/14/10 at 8:47am
Have you EVER gotten PLIIx - Cinema to show up on the display (eg. w/DVDs) for a DD 5.1 or stereo source? If not, then Reset the Microprocessor (p. 50) and which will reset all settings to mfr default and require you to run AUTO SETUP again.
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post #3143 of 3723
4/15/10 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by sieberlf View Post

I'm not sure but I think you need to toggle the "Surround Back" button

Unfortunately that had no effect.
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post #3144 of 3723
4/15/10 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Have you EVER gotten PLIIx - Cinema to show up on the display (eg. w/DVDs) for a DD 5.1 or stereo source? If not, then Reset the Microprocessor (p. 50) and which will reset all settings to mfr default and require you to run AUTO SETUP again.

I just recently went from 5.1 to 7.1 and never took much notice of the display until I added the rear speakers.

I will take a look tonight.

Also, I wasn't able to try the coax audio connection because my AT&T U-verse does not have a Digital Audio out port only optical. I plan to purchase an optical audio cable tonight I my way home from work to give that a try.

Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions from everyone.
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post #3145 of 3723
4/15/10 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by KayakJim View Post

Also, I wasn't able to try the coax audio connection because my AT&T U-verse does not have a Digital Audio out port only optical. I plan to purchase an optical audio cable tonight I my way home from work to give that a try.

Thanks again for all of the help and suggestions from everyone.

Hi kayakJim, optical is digital.
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post #3146 of 3723
4/15/10 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi kayakJim, optical is digital.

My apologies for being unclear. By "digital" I meant digital coaxial.
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post #3147 of 3723
4/15/10 at 7:46am
Just to confirm ... when you added the additional rear speakers, you set AMP ASSIGN to 7.1 and reran AUTO SETUP, hearing test tones from the newly added rear speakers .... correct?
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post #3148 of 3723
4/15/10 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Just to confirm ... when you added the additional rear speakers, you set AMP ASSIGN to 7.1 and reran AUTO SETUP, hearing test tones from the newly added rear speakers .... correct?

Correct on both counts.
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post #3149 of 3723
4/15/10 at 8:36am
I would reset the microprocessor then as suggested in my earlier post as you should be getting all 7 channels.
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post #3150 of 3723
4/15/10 at 8:49am
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I would reset the microprocessor then as suggested in my earlier post as you should be getting all 7 channels.

I will start with that tonight then.
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