Originally Posted by openwheelracing
really? 3808 uses "16" PCM-1791A DACs? Where is your source on this?
Without worrying about parts, how does the AVR perform for you?
Denon's own spec-sheet. If you look at the "Detailed Specifications" link under the product's profile on the Denon website, you'll see that in the field where the DAC is listed it states "PCM-1791A - 2 x 8 channels". I realize that description is somewhat cursory, but you can certainly pose the question to "DenonJeff," who is currently posting in a sticky thread for this forum.
As a side-note, if you're wondering where your $7,000 MSRP is going, the AVP-A1HDCI uses DACs in a "double" differential configuration, meaning 4 per channel. Now that's some serious noise reduction.
I was venting a bit in my previous post. There's no doubt this is a great receiver, and an exceptional receiver at the price I bought it. I was just frustrated with the marketing placement of the product so close to its siblings, and, frankly, the misdirection and blatant lies that were fed to me by the authorized Denon dealer I purchased my unit from.
They told me unequivocally that this model's signal path and processing would be essentially identical to that of the 3808ci, and that the only features I would be missing would be PC-connectivity and a more robust amplifier section. I thought, "well, suckers, I'll take the cheaper unit, hook it to my exceptional Sherbourn amplifier and laugh all the way home." Well, the joke's on me and they'll only take it back for store credit now, but their price on the 3808ci is silly compared to what it can be had for elsewhere so I can either stay with the 2808ci, or pay significantly higher than the going street price to upgrade.
I'm in the same situation as portbarton. The issue here is that I would gladly have paid a few hundred dollars more for the 3808ci if I had been privy to the compromises this unit made in certain components. I'm not contending that Denon doesn't make some wonderful products because they clearly do. My issue is that I, too, had a level of trust in this company that lulled me into believing the claims made by its representatives, and I do consider an "authorized" dealer a representative of the company.
Until the full specifications were published, which happened very recently, I do believe that the perception given by Denon's "abbreviated" description was that this unit was just like the 3808ci, but with a slightly truncated feature list. I think that the obvious differences, such as HDMI inputs, Denon Link III, networking, PC control, more powerful amplifiers with a more robust power supply, were all justifiable in the pricing structure, but with inferior signal processing, I frankly feel like I've been taken for a ride. This is a 2308ci with pre-amp outputs.