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post #421 of 650
Thanks for the feedback ted. Right now I'm looking into possibly building a dvr with some cablecard supported tuners from ceton or ati - if i do that i'll go with TWC - otherwise I'm going to try out dish i think.
post #422 of 650
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Originally Posted by merkk View Post

Hi guys,

My contract with directv just recently expired and I was wondering if the dvr from dish is any better/worse then the one from directv?

I looked over the packages i can get with directv and i can basically get all the channels i was getting from directv and save $30/mo or so it seems.

Some of the things i didnt like with the directv dvr:

moving around within it's menu's etc seems slow. I saw someone else's box from directv that was not a DVR - just HD tuner, and it was much more responsive.

I'd like some more recording space without having to buy an external drive

I'd like to be able to watch my recordings on my PC or through my PS3.

Right now i'm trying out time-warner's cable service and their DVR. But their DVR sucks compared to Directv's. Recording space seems smaller, speed is about the same or maybe slightly faster, it's nosier - i can hear the HD seeking. The interface stinks - remote is over-crowded with buttons, no 30 second skip, no timeline when playing back to show you where you are in the recording. Listing of tv shows is crappy - doesn't just collapse them into subfolders like dtv does. And it seems to have a tendency of cutting off the first minute or two or cutting off the last minute or two of a recording. The timing on directv is MUCH more accurate. The only thing TW has going for it is they offered me more channels and a 2nd tuner box and for $30 less then what dtv was charging.

I am in a similar boat. Just switched from DirecTV (getting way too expensive) for Dish Network. My install is scheduled for Sat. What are the chances I will get a ViP722? I have 1 HDTV & one standard TV. I have heard good things about this DVR.
post #423 of 650
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Originally Posted by cgello View Post

I am in a similar boat. Just switched from DirecTV (getting way too expensive) for Dish Network. My install is scheduled for Sat. What are the chances I will get a ViP722? I have 1 HDTV & one standard TV. I have heard good things about this DVR.

Pretty good. Let us know how it goes!

Ted
post #424 of 650
Switched from DTV to the dish...looks the same to me picture wise...surround sounds more crisp. Looks like more room on the hard drive...got the vip722k brand new....do not like the fact that second tv id not hd now....which box will give me hd and still let me record off the dvr....do like the dvr function in both rooms....

will try to find more information about the 211 that i read about
post #425 of 650
You will need a second HD box, probably a 211, to get HD on that second TV. There are no DVRs that give two outputs in HD. That is unless you are willing to see the same program on both TVs. The 722 can do that, but it's a bit of a hassle.
post #426 of 650
Well still not bad...I will miss the NFL sunday ticket but not the 1500 bucks this year going out the window....more like 400. HD channels looks just as good. I figured that the guy tied the other tv by cable to the dvr....thus if you record you can atch a different channel on both tv's...one tv have to watch the recorded program....would have been nice to have 3 tuners.
post #427 of 650
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Originally Posted by kchill View Post

Well still not bad...I will miss the NFL sunday ticket but not the 1500 bucks this year going out the window....more like 400. HD channels looks just as good. I figured that the guy tied the other tv by cable to the dvr....thus if you record you can atch a different channel on both tv's...one tv have to watch the recorded program....would have been nice to have 3 tuners.

If you have the 722k and an antenna, you can add a over the air (OTA) tuner module that will allow you to record your local channels on 2 additional tuners.

Ted
post #428 of 650
I had a brand new 722k installed this past Sat. I'm fairly impressed. HD channels seem a little soft in comparison to my old HR20 from DirecTV.

The remote for TV2 is not very responsive. Is there anything I can do to help the remote to get a better signal from the remote antenna?
post #429 of 650
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Originally Posted by cgello View Post

I had a brand new 722k installed this past Sat. I'm fairly impressed. HD channels seem a little soft in comparison to my old HR20 from DirecTV.

The remote for TV2 is not very responsive. Is there anything I can do to help the remote to get a better signal from the remote antenna?

What i did to increase the range was use a RG6 cable in between the antenna and receiver. It allowed me to move the antenna to the top of my metal equipment rack rather than inside it where the signal was not getting thru too well and the TV2 remote was able to used at a great distance with no problem. Not sure where you have your receiver or if that is possible and how it would look, but that is something consider... Moving the antenna may improve the performance. Good Luck!
post #430 of 650
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Originally Posted by cgello View Post

I had a brand new 722k installed this past Sat. I'm fairly impressed. HD channels seem a little soft in comparison to my old HR20 from DirecTV.

The remote for TV2 is not very responsive. Is there anything I can do to help the remote to get a better signal from the remote antenna?

My TV2 is a long way from TV1. When Dish did the install they remoted the TV2 remote's antenna to the TV2 location. They did this by installing a combiner at the TV2 site and a splitter at the TV1 site to connect the output to the 622 remote antenna. This way they used the coax going to the 622 for satellite down, TV2 analog up, and the remote antenna down.

It looks very simple but I guess you need to know what you are doing to make it work.

Rick R
post #431 of 650
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Originally Posted by cgello View Post

I had a brand new 722k installed this past Sat. I'm fairly impressed. HD channels seem a little soft in comparison to my old HR20 from DirecTV.

The remote for TV2 is not very responsive. Is there anything I can do to help the remote to get a better signal from the remote antenna?

You might try reading through this link:

How to increase TV2 remote range by moving to band B

You can also try a different remote antenna. I have a box in the basement and attached a cheap RCA model rabbit ears antenna to the remote antenna lead and have no problems controlling the box from two floors away.
post #432 of 650
I wish the 722 had an "undelete" feature to restore deleted recording (if nothing else was recorded over the deleted files).

Computers have this function, and 722 is running linux. So why not the 722?
post #433 of 650
Have 722K that sits on top of shelf that I can hear 10 feet away.About every 5 min the fan kicks into high gear and is really(to me) loud.Can hear the fan even if it is not on. Is this normal for the 722K ?
post #434 of 650
We have just moved to Dish from Comcast - getting expensive and missing some HD content we wanted. We had their HD-DVR for several years and before that had a SD DirecTivo for about 4 years.

We are very disappointed with the Dish ViP 612. Whilst the Dish programming is good and the user interface is approaching the friendliness of Tivo's (current litigation notwithstanding!), the 612 just doesn't work right. We just can't understand why Dish would produce a DVR like this.

So we are trying to find out if the 722 fixes our major gripes with the 612:-

Despite having 2 tuners, you can't watch 2 programs -
However, it will record one program whilst you watch another but if you go check on the recording whilst the ads are on, when you come back to the live program, all of the buffered data is gone! Again,

We are so used to having these features that the swap button on our Comcast remote has all but stopped working! Please tell me I can do these simple things with a ViP722 and we can stay with Dish - otherwise we'll have to go back to Comcast or DirecTV.
post #435 of 650
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Originally Posted by sg999 View Post

We have just moved to Dish from Comcast - getting expensive and missing some HD content we wanted. We had their HD-DVR for several years and before that had a SD DirecTivo for about 4 years.

We are very disappointed with the Dish ViP 612. Whilst the Dish programming is good and the user interface is approaching the friendliness of Tivo's (current litigation notwithstanding!), the 612 just doesn't work right. We just can't understand why Dish would produce a DVR like this.

So we are trying to find out if the 722 fixes our major gripes with the 612:-

Despite having 2 tuners, you can't watch 2 programs -
However, it will record one program whilst you watch another but if you go check on the recording whilst the ads are on, when you come back to the live program, all of the buffered data is gone! Again,

We are so used to having these features that the swap button on our Comcast remote has all but stopped working! Please tell me I can do these simple things with a ViP722 and we can stay with Dish - otherwise we'll have to go back to Comcast or DirecTV.

I don't have a 612 but with the 722 if I want to retain the buffer for two programs and switch between the two I just use the PIP swap button on the remote. As opposed to changing channels back and forth which will of course reset the buffer each time.
post #436 of 650
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Originally Posted by sg999 View Post

We have just moved to Dish from Comcast - getting expensive and missing some HD content we wanted. We had their HD-DVR for several years and before that had a SD DirecTivo for about 4 years.

We are very disappointed with the Dish ViP 612. Whilst the Dish programming is good and the user interface is approaching the friendliness of Tivo's (current litigation notwithstanding!), the 612 just doesn't work right. We just can't understand why Dish would produce a DVR like this.

So we are trying to find out if the 722 fixes our major gripes with the 612:-

Despite having 2 tuners, you can't watch 2 programs -
However, it will record one program whilst you watch another but if you go check on the recording whilst the ads are on, when you come back to the live program, all of the buffered data is gone! Again,

We are so used to having these features that the swap button on our Comcast remote has all but stopped working! Please tell me I can do these simple things with a ViP722 and we can stay with Dish - otherwise we'll have to go back to Comcast or DirecTV.

If you get a 722, then you can swap between 2 programs. I do it all the time.

-Ted
post #437 of 650
Thanks nextoo and ncted for your replies.

I just want to double-check; when using the PIP SWAP button, I don't lose any buffered program on either tuner, correct?
post #438 of 650
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Originally Posted by sg999 View Post

Thanks nextoo and ncted for your replies.

I just want to double-check; when using the PIP SWAP button, I don't lose any buffered program on either tuner, correct?

That is correct. Just like a Tivo or many cable company dual-tuner DVRs.

Ted
post #439 of 650
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I had TWC with 2 HD DVRs and was not happy with the content. Had a trial of U-Verse and the fact that they could only stream 1 HD channel at a time was a non-starter for me.
Do these DVRs have a limit? I know they have 2 tuners, but if I had 2 DVRs, is there a limit from the dish reception? Can i watch/record two HD programs on one DVR and record/watch 2 seperarate HD programs at the same time on the 2nd DVR? I've never had sattelite, always been a cable subscriber. Thanks for any insight.
post #440 of 650
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Originally Posted by medimo View Post

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I had TWC with 2 HD DVRs and was not happy with the content. Had a trial of U-Verse and the fact that they could only stream 1 HD channel at a time was a non-starter for me.
Do these DVRs have a limit? I know they have 2 tuners, but if I had 2 DVRs, is there a limit from the dish reception? Can i watch/record two HD programs on one DVR and record/watch 2 seperarate HD programs at the same time on the 2nd DVR? I've never had sattelite, always been a cable subscriber. Thanks for any insight.

Welcome to AVSForum! To answer your question:

Yes, you can have 4 tuners total. I think they may be increasing that limit if they have not done so already. I personally have 2 HD DVRs, each with 2 HD tuners. Works great!

I switched from TWC, and I can tell you the dual-tuner DVRs on Dish are miles better than what you get from TWC. The only way I would go back is if I went with a Tivo on cable. Even then, satellite has way more HD than most everything except Fios.

Ted
post #441 of 650
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Originally Posted by ncted View Post

Welcome to AVSForum! To answer your question:

Yes, you can have 4 tuners total. I think they may be increasing that limit if they have not done so already. I personally have 2 HD DVRs, each with 2 HD tuners. Works great!

I switched from TWC, and I can tell you the dual-tuner DVRs on Dish are miles better than what you get from TWC. The only way I would go back is if I went with a Tivo on cable. Even then, satellite has way more HD than most everything except Fios.

Ted

Thanks Ted!
Now I just have to figure out if this is the best provider for my needs. Is there a good thread to compare the different sattelite systems? This Dish DVR seems great and looks to have most of the features I want especially since I record a lot of HD programs.
I'm a little confused on the topic above about the double buffers. My old TWC Moxi box had two HD buffers so if i changed channels, it would still buffer my last channel if i hit the "last" button. They changed to Motorola boxes and it no longer buffers 2 channels.
post #442 of 650
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Originally Posted by medimo View Post

Thanks Ted!
Now I just have to figure out if this is the best provider for my needs. Is there a good thread to compare the different sattelite systems? This Dish DVR seems great and looks to have most of the features I want especially since I record a lot of HD programs.
I'm a little confused on the topic above about the double buffers. My old TWC Moxi box had two HD buffers so if i changed channels, it would still buffer my last channel if i hit the "last" button. They changed to Motorola boxes and it no longer buffers 2 channels.

I always had Scientific Atlanta boxes from TWC. The way the Dish boxes work is you have 2 independent tuners. If you are watching a channel on one tuner and change to a different channel by use of the guide or typing in the channel number, it changes the channel on the tuner you were actively watching. In that case, you lose the buffer on that tuner as it has changed channels.

If you want to keep the buffer for the channel you are currently watching while tuning another channel, you should press "swap" on the remote to switch to the other tuner, and then change the channel. Then you can press "swap" again to switch back and forth between the 2 buffers. I like it this way since I can manage how the tuners are used myself rather than hoping the DVR did what it was supposed to do.

AFAIK, DirecTV DVRs do not have dual live buffers. Although I will admit that it has been some while since I looked at them, so they may have fixed that. Someone more familiar with their current offerings should be able to provide a more definitive answer.

Ted
post #443 of 650
We just switched over to Dish and I am a little confused about how I can use my 722 DVR to the fullest considering our setup. Read through the thread and it has been helpful, but hoping to get some clarification. Sorry if this is in the thread somewhere, I looked and read most of it and didn't see anything.

We have two HDTV's and one 722. The second HDTV isn't watched much so we have the 722 hooked up so the main TV is in HD and the secondary one gets the SD signal. I have the local channel package, but need an antenna to get HD locals, even though the online Dish local guide says I should be getting ABC, FOX, and NBC (No CBS) in HD. I called and the guy was of no help and seemed lost at what I was telling him.

1. It seems that I can only record one OTA program at a time, is that correct?

A week ago when setting up timers, it would not let me record American Idol and Lost which were both OTA in HD as the times ran into each other. Yesterday my timers both indicated it was OK. I was like hmmm what is going to happen. Well 2 minutes before while watching Idol it started to count down. At 8 PM CST Idol stopped recording and Lost never started. I panicked and quickly flipped to Lost (wife was not happy :-) ) and at 8:01 it started recording it.

It also would not let me change channels once Idol started recording at 7 PM CST or it would have stopped the recording. Can I not watch anything else when recording an OTA program?

2. When recording two non-OTA shows at once, can you skip back and forth between these two shows? If they are both HD, do you have to record one on the second SD signal considering my setup? If so I assume my setup does not allow the recording of two HD programs at once? Example would be ESPN and HGTV in HD, can they record at the same time with both being recorded in HD?

3. If you can record two HD programs at the same time, can you do that and also one OTA program at the same time. Can this OTA program be recorded in HD?

My main goal is to record alot of these programs in HD, especially the shows me and my wife watch on the locals. If I need another HD receiver hooked up to the second HDTV then so be it. I know there is Dual mode and maybe that is hurting me here and I need to go into Single mode when trying to do alot of the above?

I appreciate any help I can get in answering these questions.
post #444 of 650
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Originally Posted by poster View Post

We just switched over to Dish and I am a little confused about how I can use my 722 DVR to the fullest considering our setup. Read through the thread and it has been helpful, but hoping to get some clarification. Sorry if this is in the thread somewhere, I looked and read most of it and didn't see anything.

We have two HDTV's and one 722. The second HDTV isn't watched much so we have the 722 hooked up so the main TV is in HD and the secondary one gets the SD signal. I have the local channel package, but need an antenna to get HD locals, even though the online Dish local guide says I should be getting ABC, FOX, and NBC (No CBS) in HD. I called and the guy was of no help and seemed lost at what I was telling him.

1. It seems that I can only record one OTA program at a time, is that correct?

A week ago when setting up timers, it would not let me record American Idol and Lost which were both OTA in HD as the times ran into each other. Yesterday my timers both indicated it was OK. I was like hmmm what is going to happen. Well 2 minutes before while watching Idol it started to count down. At 8 PM CST Idol stopped recording and Lost never started. I panicked and quickly flipped to Lost (wife was not happy :-) ) and at 8:01 it started recording it.

It also would not let me change channels once Idol started recording at 7 PM CST or it would have stopped the recording. Can I not watch anything else when recording an OTA program?

2. When recording two non-OTA shows at once, can you skip back and forth between these two shows? If they are both HD, do you have to record one on the second SD signal considering my setup? If so I assume my setup does not allow the recording of two HD programs at once? Example would be ESPN and HGTV in HD, can they record at the same time with both being recorded in HD?

3. If you can record two HD programs at the same time, can you do that and also one OTA program at the same time. Can this OTA program be recorded in HD?

My main goal is to record alot of these programs in HD, especially the shows me and my wife watch on the locals. If I need another HD receiver hooked up to the second HDTV then so be it. I know there is Dual mode and maybe that is hurting me here and I need to go into Single mode when trying to do alot of the above?

I appreciate any help I can get in answering these questions.

You apparently have a 722, not a 722K. The 722 has one OTA tuner so, you are correct, you can only record one OTA channel at a time.

Are you able to receive your local channels in SD? If so, your HD channels are there as well but at a different channel location. You can get your DVR to map down the HD locals this way:

On your remote, press Menu, 6, 9,go over to Channel Display, click HD & SD and click Enable, then click Done.

I believe that will let you see your local HD channels mapped down to their real channel numbers.
post #445 of 650
Thanks for the help Bobby, I will try that tonight. On their site when you look at the receivers, it doesn't list a 722K, only says 722. The description does say 722K when highlighting it though so that is odd. I searched for it on their site and found a white sheet PDF that shows a different remote for the 722K.

Do they not advertise this model? Is there a fee to get one of these, as I believe my 722 was free with the 2 year commitment.

So the 722K lets you do more then the 722? I don't see anything different when viewing these PDF's.
post #446 of 650
The 722K has an optional OTA tuner module that allows 2 OTA recordings at the same time. The module costs an additional $40. Without the module you get no OTA at all....
post #447 of 650
To respond to your comments in (1).

The DVR allows you to start the recording early and end late. If you start more than 1 minute early and end more than 2 minutes late and you try to schedule back to back recordings, it will not let you and will tell you you have conflicts. If you do not start more than 1 minute early or end more than 2 minutes late and you try to schedule back to back recordings, it will ignore the early start and finishes and do the back to back recordings switching at the scheduled time.

If you see the timer count down and want to cancel to scheduled timer hit the INFO button on the remote and follow the instructions.

Rick R
post #448 of 650
Thanks guys for the replies! I will have to play around and test some scenarios to figure out what I can do. I think if I can find my HD locals, I will have eliminated a main issue.
post #449 of 650
Well I found out why I don't get the HD local channels broadcast over satellite. They said it is a line of sight issue. I am out of luck in getting HD locals. So I am pissed now, but not sure if there is anything I can do.

So at the moment my big issue is recording two OTA HD programs at once. Is there any possible way to do it with no local HD channels? They said it is $17 a month for a second DVR, which I don't want to do. So far my move to Dish has been .
post #450 of 650
What city and State do you live in poster?
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