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I'm looking for a deal on the Martin Logan Stage

post #1 of 44
9/23/07 at 12:50pm
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Hello,

I would be looking for a deal on the Stage in dark cherry. The dealer I spoke with was looking for MSRP. I managed to get a deal on my cinema from a dealer that has moved and I can't find any more. I'd love to get a new Stage but only if I can find a deal from an authorized dealer. I'm in Southern California. I'm not sure if there are any on line dealers.

Any suggestions- feel free to PM me if you know of a deal or good price.

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post #2 of 44
9/23/07 at 1:55pm
That would be a bad choice for a center speaker, with no vertical dispersion you will have a very very narrow listening spot for the ESL section and will often miss most of that information.
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post #3 of 44
9/23/07 at 8:14pm
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OK - I don't seem to notice that but it might not be the best. I've found it for about 30% less than list but if you know of a better center for about $2K I'm open to suggestions since I haven't bought it yet.
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post #4 of 44
9/23/07 at 9:46pm
What are you matching it to?
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post #5 of 44
9/24/07 at 6:12am
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VR-4s
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post #6 of 44
9/24/07 at 9:13pm
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Anyone recommend a better fit besides the $3500 VR Visiun?
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post #7 of 44
9/24/07 at 10:35pm
You definitely don't want to go mixing different brands of center speakers with your mains, or even different model centers made by the same company if you want to come close to anything resembling a coherent front soundstage. A good deal on the wrong speaker is a bad deal. If you are serious about good sound, by the center that was made to match your VR4's.
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post #8 of 44
9/25/07 at 7:11am
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Thanks - unfortunately due to the design of the Visiun - it will really only work for people with flat panel displays. I do not have one and probably won't for another 2 years as my Mitsubishi 65" RPTV still looks about as good as any TV out there. Or I'd have to have a siginificantly larger living room as it really only works on a stand in front of the TV. My current ML sits on top of my TV (ok a shelf resting on the sides of my TV to prevent any bowing from the speaker) and aims correctly at the viewers. I could potentially have a sloped wedge created to down aim the Visiun but I'd be paying $1800 more for a speaker no dealer has for me to listen to. Furthermore if I ever do get a bottom cabinet, the Visiun could never fit in it so I'd still have put it in front of the cabinet or build a shelf over the next TV I buy. My next TV will probably be a 80" so I couldn't put the speaker on top of the cabinet as it would block the view of the TV.
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post #9 of 44
9/25/07 at 11:49am
Boe - I know just what you are going through. When I had a RPTV I had to make the same considerations when trying to find the right center. I have a 58" plasma now with a cabinet below it that was custom made to fit my center. This hobby aint cheap that's for sure. Hope you figure something out. Good luck.
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post #10 of 44
10/2/07 at 9:48pm
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Thanks hifisponge. I'll have to go with the stage for size sake. I had a great deal lined up but I took so long making a decision the dealer sold the one I planned on buying and he won't order me one at the discount we had negotiated since he was just clearing stock.
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post #11 of 44
10/2/07 at 9:59pm
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Thanks hifisponge. I'll have to go with the stage for size sake.

I hope you tie your head and keep it in the sweet spot.
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post #12 of 44
10/2/07 at 10:02pm
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I've auditioned it twice and don't identify with your issue. I walked about the room and it doesn't seem terribly limited. I have ML cinema now and it sounds fine from numerous seating positions - have you actually listened to it yourself or are you repeating what someone else said?
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post #13 of 44
10/2/07 at 10:03pm
But it has no vertical dispersion! So obviously you do not miss/notice the missing information that the ESL Pannel produces?
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post #14 of 44
10/2/07 at 10:09pm
So the frequencies between 450 Hz and 2700 Hz were not noticed?
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post #15 of 44
10/3/07 at 7:24am
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I've auditioned it twice and don't identify with your issue. I walked about the room and it doesn't seem terribly limited. I have ML cinema now and it sounds fine from numerous seating positions - have you actually listened to it yourself or are you repeating what someone else said?

Bluray is a ML hater he will tell you not to get them unless you are the only one listening. If you already know that you can live with ML's centers then who cares what Bluray says.
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post #16 of 44
10/11/07 at 10:39am
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I'll be ordering tonght or tomorrow from the authorized dealer with the best price - anyone have a recommendation, please PM me.

Thanks
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post #17 of 44
10/11/07 at 3:27pm
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Bluray is a ML hater he will tell you not to get them unless you are the only one listening. If you already know that you can live with ML's centers then who cares what Bluray says.

Hate? I just post the truth.
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post #18 of 44
10/11/07 at 3:36pm
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Hate? I just post the truth.


Sure, you're not a hater........if you were not a hater regardless of what you thought of the speaker or its specs you would have told him to go and listen to it so that he could hear for himself the lack of vertical dispersion.
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post #19 of 44
10/11/07 at 4:03pm
Always a hater.

Never a positive thing to say, ever...
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post #20 of 44
10/11/07 at 4:06pm
One of my uncles has the ML Stage.

Never heard any dispersion problems.

I think the Stage sounds great...
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post #21 of 44
10/12/07 at 2:45pm
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Sure, you're not a hater........if you were not a hater regardless of what you thought of the speaker or its specs you would have told him to go and listen to it so that he could hear for himself the lack of vertical dispersion.

ML speakers are not suted for HT despite what you think.

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One of my uncles has the ML Stage.

Never heard any dispersion problems.

I think the Stage sounds great...

Sure, this just proves that you can not hear properly or did not even notice the missing information between 450, 2700 Hz. The stage has no vertical dispersion, that is fact so if your ears are not withing the 9.3 inches of the ESL pannel you will have a huge drop out.
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post #22 of 44
10/12/07 at 3:21pm
[quote=bluray_1080p;11889429]ML speakers are not suted for HT despite what you think.

I didn't tell him what I thought about them, you did and you sound like a hater. BTW I agree that ML are not well suited for HT however if someone loves Logans and can't have more than one set of speakers they will do for HT despite what you think.
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post #23 of 44
10/12/07 at 6:48pm
bluray sure sounds like Neverwinter2 more and more each day
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post #24 of 44
10/12/07 at 6:52pm
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I'll be ordering tonght or tomorrow from the authorized dealer with the best price - anyone have a recommendation, please PM me.

Thanks

I would always double check on an authorized dealer that is giving a deal on logans...they can be fairly tight on any kind of warrenty service (if you need it) if not purchased from a legit source.
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post #25 of 44
10/12/07 at 7:13pm
Logan will only allow a max 5% discount on all new in box items. (dealer showed me the sheet) if your dealer is going beyond this I would ask some questions about the dealer.

I happen to like the logans A LOT! however I have found that some people just don't like the sound. With any esl people ether love them or don't. Blu-Ray may just not have an ear for them. Some people realy like licorice some don't.
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post #26 of 44
10/13/07 at 1:26pm
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BTW I agree that ML are not well suited for HT however if someone loves Logans and can't have more than one set of speakers they will do for HT despite what you think.

Why spend that much money for something that will more or less jimmy rig your HT setup?

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Blu-Ray may just not have an ear for them.

Ears have nothing to do with it since they have such a low dispersion and no vertical dispersion on the center for the ESL section it makes for a very poor experience.
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post #27 of 44
10/13/07 at 4:24pm
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Why spend that much money for something that will more or less jimmy rig your HT setup?

Because some people care more about music than movies.
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post #28 of 44
10/13/07 at 9:16pm
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Because some people care more about music than movies.

How does that help the stage center that has no vertical dispersion? If you are one person then the center will work but you can not move your head around while listening to any matterial.
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post #29 of 44
10/14/07 at 5:50am
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How does that help the stage center that has no vertical dispersion? If you are one person then the center will work but you can not move your head around while listening to any matterial.

I'm beginning to think you argue just for the sake of argument. Why is it such a big deal to you that someone other than you is not getting the full experience out of their equipment.
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post #30 of 44
10/14/07 at 6:55am
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How does that help the stage center that has no vertical dispersion? If you are one person then the center will work but you can not move your head around while listening to any matterial.

No, you can't move your head up and down. Horizontal dispersion is fine. I typically don't stand up during HT, do you?
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