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HTSA to Support Blu-ray Exclusively

post #1 of 21
9/24/07 at 3:05pm
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From Blu-Ray.com and Twice.com:

Home Theater Specialists of America (HTSA) has announced that they are now officially supporting Blu-ray as their sole high definition movie format. After conducting an internal survey of their customer base, they discovered that 92% of high definition players sold were Blu-ray, with the remaining 8% being HD DVD or combo players. HTSA based their decision to back Blu-ray on those numbers which clearly show the preference of their customer base.
Jay Vandenbree, President of Consumer Sales for Sony commented, "At a time when ever-changing technology tests just how much one can know about everything, HTSA has chosen Blu-Ray Disc as the format they support. I think it speaks volumes when support comes from those who specialize in home theater, and are closest to the consumer."

HTSA represents 62 home theater installers/retailers and $500M in sales.
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post #2 of 21
9/24/07 at 5:06pm
theres a nice discussion of this on the HDTV software forum.

it turned into a hddvd vs bluray thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=913217
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post #3 of 21
9/24/07 at 6:16pm
I'm as Blu as anyone, but how is 92 VS 8 percent even possible? Is that what the ratio is if you include the PS3 as a player?
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post #4 of 21
9/24/07 at 6:30pm
I believe those stats to be at least close to accurate. I mean think about it for a minute. HD-DVD has been called the trailer park HD format, while Blu-Ray is more expensive and as we know most people believe "If it cost more it must be better".

So, if you can afford a SPECIALIST to come in and do your home theater, do you want what some (Blu-Ray backers) consider "trailer park HD or do you want the more expensive one?

OR, I could be completely wrong! Just a thought, but it made cents to me, well not actually pennies, but you get my drift.
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post #5 of 21
9/24/07 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by wipron View Post

I believe those stats to be at least close to accurate. I mean think about it for a minute. HD-DVD has been called the trailer park HD format, while Blu-Ray is more expensive and as we know most people believe "If it cost more it must be better".

So, if you can afford a SPECIALIST to come in and do your home theater, do you want what some (Blu-Ray backers) consider "trailer park HD or do you want the more expensive one?

OR, I could be completely wrong! Just a thought, but it made cents to me, well not actually pennies, but you get my drift.

Well to be honest... I would rather have the one that includes more internal hardware... and that's hd dvd.. 2 video encoders... modem... etc. Twice the hardware for 1/2 the price.
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post #6 of 21
9/24/07 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

Well to be honest... I would rather have the one that includes more internal hardware... and that's hd dvd.. 2 video encoders... modem... etc. Twice the hardware for 1/2 the price.

HD DVD certainly has more features than my BD10, I like interactive features. I have BD movies and HD DVD movies, next generation features so far has NOT been in the BD court.
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post #7 of 21
9/24/07 at 9:59pm
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Originally Posted by bigbarney View Post

Well to be honest... I would rather have the one that includes more internal hardware... and that's hd dvd.. 2 video encoders... modem... etc. Twice the hardware for 1/2 the price.

I agree with you. However, I don't believe a person who hires a Home Theater Specialist will know much about what he's buying. More likely to believe what they're told.(from the HTSpecialists)

I mean, could you just hear some rich guy saying, "OK it all sounds Great, but give me some bandwidth numbers, what about those bit rates, EXTRAS! Who needs 'em, I just wanna watch the damn Movie!"

Anyway, since both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray pretty much same PQ & AQ. I'm sure they can make more money selling more expensive items. Hence Blu over HD-DVD. NOT for me but for people who actually use a HTSpecialist.
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post #8 of 21
9/24/07 at 10:10pm
The ratio of 92/8 doesn't surprise me since most of the major CE companies are behind Blu-ray and for HD DVD during the first 16 months of release it was basically just Toshiba making HD DVD players. For Blu-ray the decision of HTSA is good news though how much effect it will have is hard to say.
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post #9 of 21
9/24/07 at 10:20pm
HD-DVD wouldn't have gone the cheap route if it wasn't for he format war, it would be at or near what prices are with Blu-Ray... I don't think those number to be that accurate, maybe 80-20 or 70-30... As far as the added features of HD-DVD, most of your movie buffs this will sell, but your push play and sit back masses don't care. I know bigbarney your pushing HD-DVD even in these forums.. Nice spin though.....
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post #10 of 21
9/24/07 at 10:53pm
people do care about features. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be 2-disc special editions which do sell very well.
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post #11 of 21
9/25/07 at 3:02am
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Originally Posted by steven975 View Post

people do care about features. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be 2-disc special editions which do sell very well.

I quite agree... they spend a lot of money on extras in the dvd arena. They wouldn't do it if there was no pay-off.
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post #12 of 21
9/25/07 at 3:09am
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

I know bigbarney your pushing HD-DVD even in these forums.. Nice spin though.....

Well to be honest, I couldn't give a rats rear end about playing back Hollywood movies... both formats do that equally well. It's the disk burning I really care about. Toshiba has 3X dvd capability which is a major advantage. I can create HD DVD's with full menus/chapters for the price a double layer dvd... and because it's part of the Toshiba spec, you can play it back on ANY HD DVD player. If it wasn't for this, I wouldn't be pushing either one.
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post #13 of 21
9/25/07 at 4:27am
In my opinion, it's pretty foolish for any retailer to be picking sides at this point.

Who at the HTSA wants to field the calls on Sept. 25 with the customer wondering why they can't find Top Gun or Knocked Up to play on their fancy Blu-ray player? Or on Oct. 16 when they have to watch Transformers in lowly SD DVD?

Any responsible custom installer would either sell a combo player, or at least have both options. There's simply too much exclusive content on BOTH sides to justify only one format's hardware being offered.
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post #14 of 21
9/25/07 at 4:58am
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Originally Posted by tdavis21484 View Post

In my opinion, it's pretty foolish for any retailer to be picking sides at this point.

Who at the HTSA wants to field the calls on Sept. 25 with the customer wondering why they can't find Top Gun or Knocked Up to play on their fancy Blu-ray player? Or on Oct. 16 when they have to watch Transformers in lowly SD DVD?

Any responsible custom installer would either sell a combo player, or at least have both options. There's simply too much exclusive content on BOTH sides to justify only one format's hardware being offered.

Agreed. I find it really strange that someone paying a large amount of cash for a custom install hasn't got the insignificant amount of money to install an HD-DVD player alongside BD. There's something weird going on here.
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post #15 of 21
9/25/07 at 8:06am
I'm guessing HTSA supplies to high end houses, custom installs? Wouldn't these people just rather pay an extra $500 for an XA2 along with whatever BR and be safe. I doubt people using HTSA installers are that strapped for cash. Stupid decision on any company (incl blockbuster) to go one way or the other right now.
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post #16 of 21
9/25/07 at 8:27am
The faster CE choose a side (witch be HD DVD or Blu-Ray) the shorter the war will be, the better it will be for the future, maybe not for the Loosing side, witch will have to get the hardware but i'am thinking 2-3-4 years into the future..
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post #17 of 21
9/25/07 at 12:19pm
Folks, this one is easy. This organization represents members that sell and install systems that will be used by people that will not tolerate system glitches. They expect to touch one icon on their automation control screen and watch an entire movie without glitches. HD DVD player and software glitches are well documented so there is need to argue the point.
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post #18 of 21
9/25/07 at 12:23pm
What sort of enforcement does the HTSA have? AARP endorses certain products, but you can buy whatever you want....even if you are an AARP member. Just one example. Perhaps HTSA just pocketed some money for this endorsement.....anyone can endorse anything and it does not matter if it does not have enforcement......
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post #19 of 21
9/25/07 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by steven975 View Post

people do care about features. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be 2-disc special editions which do sell very well.

It seems people who don't care about features are the people who bought 1st/2nd gen standalone BD players. I keep hearing it all the time.
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post #20 of 21
9/25/07 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by steven975 View Post

people do care about features. If that wasn't the case there wouldn't be 2-disc special editions which do sell very well.

I care about special features, but as you just said they don't have to be on the same disk and thus playable at the same time. I don't want a pip in the middle of my movie, thats not needed and neither is click and buy, whats next - popup adds?
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post #21 of 21
9/25/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Folks, this one is easy. This organization represents members that sell and install systems that will be used by people that will not tolerate system glitches. They expect to touch one icon on their automation control screen and watch an entire movie without glitches. HD DVD player and software glitches are well documented so there is need to argue the point.

This was such a foolish point I can't believe I'm responding.

While HD DVD does have its share of glitches, are you trying to say Blu-ray is a solid, reliable platform that never has glitches? Many owners would differ with you there.


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Originally Posted by plazman View Post

What sort of enforcement does the HTSA have? AARP endorses certain products, but you can buy whatever you want....even if you are an AARP member. Just one example. Perhaps HTSA just pocketed some money for this endorsement.....anyone can endorse anything and it does not matter if it does not have enforcement......

HTSA is a buying group. They basically work together to get better prices on hardware to compete with larger sellers.

If an individual dealer wanted to install HD DVD, all they have to do is call up their local distributor and order a player. It wouldn't be through HTSA's supply channels, but they could get one through an Authorized source at a wholesale price. No problemo.
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