Originally Posted by mdavej
But that's all you're doing. If not, can you please state your argument in one sentence, because I have no idea what it is.
This subject started when one poster essentially stated that TCM HD doesn't show any HD. Unless I'm missing something, you argued essentially that it's too complicated and expensive for them to show any HD. Fine. We all understand that. It doesn't change the fact that calling themselves an HD channel is fraud. If it's not, then I think a stupid analogy is in order. I'll go open a restaurant and call it Bob's Steaks. You come in and order a steak, and I'll serve you a hamburger molded in the shape of a steak. You'll say, "hmm, this isn't a steak. But that's ok, I wouldn't expect a steak house to serve real steaks. It must be really complicated and expensive to get and serve real steaks". But all my other customers will tell me I have no right to call my restaurant a steak house and call me a fraud, and rightly so.
The subject started when Adam and Eve entered the Garden of Eden. However, for me, the subject started when MWS192 posted that DirecTV was now testing Turner Classic Movies-HD.
Slimoli responded: "I wouldn't expect a lot of HD content on TCM." I asked Slmoli: "Are you saying that because: 1. You do not expect Turner Classic Movies to obtain HD prints; or 2. You are confused about the fact that 35mm (and above) film is by its very nature high definition and with the proper master materials they can be converted to HD video for cable/satellite viewing and/or Blu-Ray release?" To date, Slimoli has never responded to my question.
At this point mdavej jumped in and said that "last he read" TCM is up-converted version of their SD channel, that it looks that way when he has viewed it on cable or DISH and linked to some screenshots to "prove it." I replied by saying those screenshots were over one year old, but speculated that: "Maybe TCM will upgrade its content to HD with more HD subscribers becoming available; as did most of the other cable channels once their HD subscriber base increased. Remember when TBS and TNT first went HD...?"
NetworkTV jumped in with the observation that it did not take TNT and TBS 3 years to start showing HD content. I suggested that was an unfair comparison as TBS and TNT "specialize in showing current and recent programing easily provided in HD, whereas TCM must convert virtually all of its programming to HD (or be provided it..." This is where the conversation took a dramatic turn!
NetworkTV then makes his flawed argument that many of the movies cablecast by TCM are already mastered in HD: arguing that BluRays are available and that SONY-HD and HDNet[Movies] airs many of the same movies. I respond.with two facts: a movie existing on BluRay is not the same as the version required to cablecast it on TCM and while, yes, SONY-HD and HDNet[Movies] obviously have cablecast HD masters, that does not mean that the copyright owners of these specific movies will license them to TCM for HD cablecast.
At that point the "discussion" degenerates into an ad hominem
attack on me and my "defense" of TCM! Let me cut to the chase:
As for you, mdavej, I NEVER responded to you, until your post 13053, where you repeat the unsubstantiated arguments that: "So they have the HD masters already, they have the technology, but they just choose not to broadcast HD in the US for some mysterious reason (many of which are speculated about in the TCM HD thread)." JMCecil jumps in here and again reiterates that they do have the masters, licensing and facilities. HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Lastly, I have never seen TCM-HD; I am only looking forward to its inclusion on DirecTV, as I frequently watch TCM and sometimes digitize from it. In this current thread, I have NEVER suggested that it is a good thing or a good practice for TCM-HD to call itself "HD." I will worry about that issue when TCM-HD is available to me, since I DO pay $10 per month extra for the inclusion of HD versions of channels.
So, why you make an analogy to Bob's Steakhouse is only satisfying to YOU, I have never responded to your points about TCM-HD being called that...
Calling it TCM-HD is an important issue to you! Please do not assume how I feel about that issue, as I have not addressed it in these posts other than a brief suggestion that it does seem misleading for one who pays extra for HD channels and they should file a complaint.Edited by MichaelLAX - 7/11/12 at 12:00pm