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post #13261 of 14319
7/18/12 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

Are you suggesting that even with an OTA station with 2 or 3 sub channels, coverage of that station OTA is not better quality than on cable/satellite (with their further compression); that is, you will not see a difference on a 50 inch 1080 plasma?

It's VERY possible & DOES happen...particularly if your DMA has (HD) networks as (SD) subchannels on the OTA signal - while the local cable system or sat companies gets a direct HD feed from the TV station. (ie: NOT as an OTA pickup)

examples include WGEM-Quincy & WHSV-Harrisonburg
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post #13262 of 14319
7/18/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

It's VERY possible & DOES happen...particularly if your DMA has (HD) networks as (SD) subchannels on the OTA signal - while the local cable system or sat companies gets a direct HD feed from the TV station. (ie: NOT as an OTA pickup)
examples include WGEM-Quincy & WHSV-Harrisonburg
Your example is an interesting, but different situation.

The post I was questioning, was discussing the situation when the primary channel was HD with several SD sub channels deteriorating the original quality of the HD signal.

While I am not familiar with WGEM-Quincy & WHSV-Harrisonburg specifically, your example is smaller markets with fewer OTA channels that carry additional networks on their subcarriers (for example The CW is carried as sub channels in many smaller markets). Obviously both the network and the Cable company would prefer the Cable company to carry it in HD and hence make a direct connection rather than an OTA capture.
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post #13263 of 14319
7/18/12 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR What You Missed on Tuesday's The Daily Show:
NOTHING!!!
MOMENT OF ZEN: Eight years was awesome!

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I guess I'm dense... Why did I miss nothing? Why didn't you?

Perhaps you missed this post (to give it context)...

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AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR What You Missed on Today's The Daily Show:

Edited by MichaelLAX - 7/18/12 at 8:59pm
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post #13264 of 14319
7/18/12 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post


The one you linked to is not HDCP compliant, it supports HDCP pass-thru, which means, since your problem is due to a handshake issue between your receiver and the display device, this won't change that. It will be useless. The powered one I mentioned here IS a bit more, at $33.50, but it clearly says it's HDCP compliant, and it is because it works (for me).

I checked with Monoprice about HDCP handshake. They said that one or both output devices has to be on for the handshake to be accomplished. The splitter is just pass-through. It does not generate an EDID signal. What is this "A bit more" that you have indicated?
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post #13265 of 14319
7/19/12 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Assuming your OTA station isn't running 2 or 3 subchannels...

Bingo. Bonus points for trying to run two 720p Sub-channels simultaneously ... plus one more 480i for good measure. The Orcs have won, HDTV is dead.
Edited by HDTVChallenged - 7/19/12 at 12:31am
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post #13266 of 14319
7/19/12 at 5:49am
TCM HD added today. Channel 256.
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post #13267 of 14319
7/19/12 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

Are you suggesting that even with an OTA station with 2 or 3 sub channels, coverage of that station OTA is not better quality than on cable/satellite (with their further compression); that is, you will not see a difference on a 50 inch 1080 plasma?
In some cases, the original signal is bad enough that the very small amount of compression a company like D* might add becomes unnoticeable in the mush.

For example, my ABC affiliate here has visible compression artifacts no matter what source I use to view it. At a certain point, comparing them is like wondering which hammer hurts more when hit in the head with it.
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post #13268 of 14319
7/19/12 at 11:07am
I was reading that directv and Viacom updates and noticed that Epix was a channel that directv does not want. Why? My inlaws have dish network and I love watching epix and they play the Marvel movies too. The more channels the better!
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post #13269 of 14319
7/19/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

I was reading that directv and Viacom updates and noticed that Epix was a channel that directv does not want. Why? My inlaws have dish network and I love watching epix and they play the Marvel movies too. The more channels the better!

They want half a billion for it according to Direct.
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post #13270 of 14319
7/19/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post


The one you linked to is not HDCP compliant, it supports HDCP pass-thru, which means, since your problem is due to a handshake issue between your receiver and the display device, this won't change that. It will be useless. The powered one I mentioned here IS a bit more, at $33.50, but it clearly says it's HDCP compliant, and it is because it works (for me).

I checked with Monoprice about HDCP handshake. They said that one or both output devices has to be on for the handshake to be accomplished. The splitter is just pass-through. It does not generate an EDID signal. What is this "A bit more" that you have indicated?
I don't thnk that they are correct. I have the splitter powered on al the time. Before I used it, if I started a playback of a movie from HBO say, and I turned off the television, the picture would go off within a minute or so, and an info box would come up instead. There is nothing connected to the splitter but the one television, the other side is open. When I start a playback now, and turn off the TV, the playback continues. All I can say is--it works for me! Whatever the splitter is doing, it satisfies the HR22 that it is connect to.

The phrase "a bit more" meant that the powered splitter at $33.50 is more expensive than the unpowered one at $10.15
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post #13271 of 14319
7/19/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

They want half a billion for it according to Direct.

Which is way too much money for one channel if you ask me.
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post #13272 of 14319
7/19/12 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

I was reading that directv and Viacom updates and noticed that Epix was a channel that directv does not want. Why? My inlaws have dish network and I love watching epix and they play the Marvel movies too. The more channels the better!

They [Epix] want half a billion for it according to Direct.

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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

They want half a billion for it according to Direct.

Which is way too much money for one channel if you ask me.
How about if it were 4 channels?:

EPIX: The flagship channel; blockbuster movies, first-run films, comedy and music specials and championship boxing.

EPIX2: Secondary channel; offers additional movies and specials, along with mixed martial arts events;

EPIX3: Similar to EPIX2, features movies, first-run films and original specials.

EPIX Drive-In: The channel features a mix of action, comedy, science fiction and horror films from the 1970s, '80s, '90s and today.
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post #13273 of 14319
7/19/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Demolition Man View Post

Which is way too much money for one channel if you ask me.
Which is why they don't go premium. It is not a premium channel, but they want premium revenue.
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post #13274 of 14319
7/19/12 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Mike4HDTV View Post

TCM HD added today. Channel 256.




Hopefully it won't be in stretch-o-vision.
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post #13275 of 14319
7/19/12 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Mike4HDTV View Post

TCM HD added today. Channel 256.

Cool...thanks for the reminder.

PQ looks better and its framed in 16:9.
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post #13276 of 14319
7/19/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Cool...thanks for the reminder.
PQ looks better and its framed in 16:9.

Actually, it will keep the OAR.Some programs will be shown in 4X3, as they should if that's the original format.
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post #13277 of 14319
7/19/12 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

Dear fells,
I am debating between Nomad for my mobile devices vs sling box pro hd and app. Would you mind referring to pro and cons?
Nomad is costing me $99 while the other system is around $250 plus $30 for app.

You owe it to yourself to check out the monsoon "vulkano" (correct spelling ) line. I was a slingbox user for many years (solo, hd etc.) and the vulkano beats it, using much more advanced encoding , like h.264, and wins on price as well. My vulkano was only $99 for the entire kit, and it has built-in wifi.

I have no first hand nomad experience.
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post #13278 of 14319
7/19/12 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by JMCecil View Post

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Originally Posted by Demolition Man View Post

Which is way too much money for one channel if you ask me.
Which is why they don't go premium. It is not a premium channel, but they want premium revenue.
What do you mean? It is in the same class as HBO/Showtime/Cinemax/TMC, etc.
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post #13279 of 14319
7/19/12 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by Mike4HDTV View Post

TCM HD added today. Channel 256.
The Adventures of Robin Hood in its original Technicolor 3-stripe never looked so good on TCM!
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post #13280 of 14319
7/20/12 at 4:26am
Viacom Channels Have Been Restored
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EL SEGUNDO, Calif., Jul 20, 2012 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- DIRECTV has reached a new long-term agreement with Viacom to restore 17 channels (including Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV, BET, Spike, CMT, TV Land and ten other channels) that Viacom had taken away from DIRECTV customers on July 10. Viacom has returned all affected networks.

Financial terms were not disclosed.

In addition to the channels' return, DIRECTV customers will also gain the ability to see Viacom programming on tablets, laptops, handhelds and other personal devices via the DIRECTV Everywhere platform. Carriage of the EPIX movie channel is not required as part of the new agreement.

"We are very pleased to be able to restore the channels to our customers and thank them for their unprecedented patience and support," said Derek Chang, executive vice president of Content Strategy and Development for DIRECTV. "It's unfortunate that Viacom took the channels away from customers to try to gain leverage, but in the end, it's clear our customers recognized that tactic for what it was."

Chang added, "The attention surrounding this unnecessary and ill-advised blackout by Viacom has accomplished one key thing: it serves notice to all media companies that bullying TV providers and their customers with blackouts won't get them a better deal. It's high time programmers ended these anti-consumer blackouts once and for all and prove our industry is about enabling people to connect to their favorite programs rather than denying them access."

The dispute helped generate significant public support from hundreds of thousands of customers and also, surprisingly enough, many high-profile DIRECTV competitors. The 850 small and independently owned local cable systems that make up the American Cable Association joined the anti-blackout chorus, as did Cox Communications, Time Warner Cable and Mediacom.

Links:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/directv-and-viacom-reach-agreement-for-return-of-viacoms-17-channels-including-extensive-new-digital-rights-for-directv-customers-2012-07-20

http://directvpromise.com/
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post #13281 of 14319
7/20/12 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by MichaelLAX View Post

What do you mean? It is in the same class as HBO/Showtime/Cinemax/TMC, etc.
Yes exactly, so why don't they want to go as a premium? Because they don't have the content to compete as a premium. What they wanted was a free ride on an open tier at a premium channel rate.

EDIT: I'd be all for adding EPIX as a premium choice. No problem with that at all.

EDITx2: Also, I don't KNOW for a fact that they were trying to force open carriage ... that was the D* claim.
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post #13282 of 14319
7/20/12 at 8:10am
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Originally Posted by Filipinoyakuza View Post

Viacom Channels Have Been Restored
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/directv-and-viacom-reach-agreement-for-return-of-viacoms-17-channels-including-extensive-new-digital-rights-for-directv-customers-2012-07-20
http://directvpromise.com/

yup, just noticed the change on my family's living room and kitchen TVs that are hooked up to DirecTV when I woke up this morning.smile.gif
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post #13283 of 14319
7/20/12 at 8:30am
So no Epix?
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post #13284 of 14319
7/20/12 at 9:07am
Not at this time at least. Sounds like there is options for it in the contract they signed, but DirecTV has not commited to a launch date (that we know of yet).

Our chances do sound better than when the channel first launched though, back then DirecTV said they had no interest in the channel. Now they are just saying Viacom wanted too much, and they didn't like where Viacomm wanted the channel to be placed. Sounds like they would be willing to add it if they can make it it's own package like Cinemax, HBO, Showtime, and Starz, or possibly put it in the HD Extra pack, as long as Viacomm is willing to give them a reasonable price for doing it that way. Sounds like Viacomm wanted it to be placed in a regular package like Choice or Choice Extra, but still wanted premium type money like $10/month per subscriber.
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post #13285 of 14319
7/20/12 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

Not at this time at least. Sounds like there is options for it in the contract they signed, but DirecTV has not commited to a launch date (that we know of yet).
Our chances do sound better than when the channel first launched though, back then DirecTV said they had no interest in the channel. Now they are just saying Viacom wanted too much, and they didn't like where Viacomm wanted the channel to be placed. Sounds like they would be willing to add it if they can make it it's own package like Cinemax, HBO, Showtime, and Starz, or possibly put it in the HD Extra pack, as long as Viacomm is willing to give them a reasonable price for doing it that way. Sounds like Viacomm wanted it to be placed in a regular package like Choice or Choice Extra, but still wanted premium type money like $10/month per subscriber.

I have Dish and subscribe to the BB@Home package. Epix 1 - 3 are in it. They're nice but I would consider them semi-premium channels. Dish also has all four of the Epix channels in their own package for $7. Viacom expecting them to be put in a standard package while asking HBO money is a bit out of touch with reality.
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post #13286 of 14319
7/20/12 at 9:59am
Great, this means higher prices over time...
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The feud between the pay TV programmer and the pay TV provider ended this morning, the way every single one of these disputes has: The pay TV provider agreed to pay more for the programming, and will pass those fees onto its customers.

In this case, Viacom got a bump of more than 20 percent for its stuff. As Bloomberg reported earlier this morning, that means that CEO Philippe Dauman will get more than $600 million for his shows this year.
And because those fees will escalate over the course of a 7-year contract, that means the overall deal will be worth more than $5 billion, the programmer is telling Wall Street today. Which is why the company was perfectly content to take an estimated $14 million hit a week while its shows were off the air.

DirecTV can also claim victory, because it’s paying less than Viacom asked for originally. And Wall Street seems just fine with it for both companies, because the prices of their shares are basically flat today.

http://allthingsd.com/20120720/viacoms-5-billion-directv-deal-keeps-the-bundle-intact-for-seven-more-years/?mod=atdtweet
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post #13287 of 14319
7/20/12 at 11:55am
Oh man & i thought prices would go down.
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post #13288 of 14319
7/20/12 at 11:59am
Viacom was feeling the heat from advertisers. Everything being equal, a 3% increase per year seems about right.
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post #13289 of 14319
7/20/12 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

Oh man & i thought prices would go down.
I'm pretty sure the prices were destined to go up, even if the channels went away permanently. When G4 and a couple other stations disappeared, apparently never to return, there was still a price increase.

At least this way, you can blame it on Snooki...
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post #13290 of 14319
7/20/12 at 12:04pm
Epix sounds like it's designed to be a premium movie channel just like HBO, Cinemax, Starz, and Showtime. At the same time, Epix could be like Encore: the type of programming that cable and satellite providers don't necessarily package as a premium but is on upper-tier basic. So with DirecTV, Epix might be feasible in HD Extra Pack if HD Extra Pack went from $5 to $8 a month. Take something like Hallmark Movie Channel out of there and make that a regular choice-type channel (like Hallmark Channel) and those HD Extra Pack channels would be mostly movie channels anyway. (There is Sony Movie Channel, MGM, HDNet Movies, and the completely useless Shorts HD.)

How come Epix isn't being made available from more and more subscibers in addition to Dish Network?
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