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post #14251 of 14743
I had D* for many many years but moved and needed wireless receivers. This was late December and my promotion with Uverse tv is going to expire in a couple of months so we are looking at going back to D*. Are the wireless receivers available to the public yet? Are these HD as well? Which HR model supports wireless? I saved our owned HR20 with a 1.5 tb drive in it, AM-21, and wireless connection kit for when we did come back to D*.
post #14252 of 14743
Ugh! I just wasted an hour and a half with Directv customer service regarding the missing guide info for OTA channels I get thru my AM-21.

I always thought my Directv box preloaded all the local OTA digital channels, including subchannels, based on a database at Directv. The reason I thought this is because I enter my home zip code and a zip code for a secondary market in case I can receive those signals. Directv customer service tells me the program guide info is pulled from the information provided by the OTA signal, not a Directv database.

In the past, I entered my zip code for Kearney, Nebraska and then the zip code for Omaha, Nebraska. My antenna is 150+ miles from Omaha. The Directv box, until recently, always had the program guide info for all the stations for my local TV market and all the Omaha market. Was I truly getting program guide info from the Omaha stations' OTA signal even though I only receive their signal when the weather is just right? I always thought the box was getting the info from a Directv database. Directv says the channels popping up in my guide are only the result of what it picks up when it scans for available local OTA signals.

Any help or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
post #14253 of 14743
Direct is correct. What ever market you are in, the guide listing will only list for those Spot beams that you are allowed to receive, where you live. Unless you have an actual OTA antenna high enough to allow you to get past the curvature of the Earth, which is around 75 miles, you would have a very hard time picking up stations at 150 miles.
post #14254 of 14743
Hope somebody out there with technical D* expertise can help me out here. My neighbor and his wife has been with D* for about 5 yrs now but D* never installed them a HD oval dish or give them a HD-dvr. when they came out for the install. And because they don't know squat about HD, never knew what they were getting or not getting. But they do have a nice Vizeo 1080p LCD. Their DVR looks like a HR-21 but it's not HD.

Can they use my spare HD-dvr with their SD round dish?. They don't want to mess with customer retention or having to deal with a 2 yr ext.
post #14255 of 14743
Oh btw their receiver did have HDMI so I took out their composite video and gave them one of my spare HDMI cable. The picture was of course much improved but it was still NOT HD. That's really odd that a SD dvr has HDMI input but it's not HD...
post #14256 of 14743
Well you DO understand (your neighbors) have several issues why they are NOT getting HD:

- ALL HR2x receivers are HD capable, period.

- They might have an R16 DVR; they were using these for awhile for SD-only subs, but it too IS HD capable - but they will NOT turn on HD service, if that is the ONLY (HD) receiver on their account. They'll have to get it upgraded to an HR2x or Genie DVR - or add another HD DVR to their account to make their R16 HD capable.

- How DO you expect them to get (any) HD channels - when they do NOT have the required HD dish to GET those channels??? Pretty much make the rest a moot point... wink.gif

- Besides having the correct HD dish, D* DOES charge an "HD access" fee of $10/month; if you do NOT pay that fee, you don't get any HD - simple as that.
(there are ways to get the fee waived, but w/out the proper dish, again, it's a moot point...)

- If you looked at the front of the DVR, you would see that the 720p/1080i lights are NOT lit. Also, if you looked at the guide, you would see they have NONE of the HD channels even available. Again, no HD dish/no HD fee - no HD, period.

Bottom line - they could VERY easily get things upgraded properly for HD, & most likely FREE - but they most likely WILL have to do a 2 year ext...
Edited by dishrich - 4/20/13 at 7:52am
post #14257 of 14743
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Can they use my spare HD-dvr with their SD round dish?. They don't want to mess with customer retention or having to deal with a 2 yr ext.
No.

You need a dish can bring in all the signals from the various satellites the programming comes from. The round dish (and even the later triple LNB model) can't do that.

There are a whole lot more birds up there than when the round dish was introduced and was meant only to point at 101.
post #14258 of 14743
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Originally Posted by PAULSTORM View Post

Ugh! I just wasted an hour and a half with Directv customer service regarding the missing guide info for OTA channels I get thru my AM-21.

I always thought my Directv box preloaded all the local OTA digital channels, including subchannels, based on a database at Directv. The reason I thought this is because I enter my home zip code and a zip code for a secondary market in case I can receive those signals. Directv customer service tells me the program guide info is pulled from the information provided by the OTA signal, not a Directv database.

You need to tell us which receiver you are using w/your AM21 - as it DOES make a difference on how it works...

- If you have an H2x or HR2x receiver/DVR, the AM21 DOES, in fact, get ALL of it's OTA channel info from a database D* sends up in their data stream. It IS based on the zip code(s) you enter when you are setting your AM21 up. (it has NOTHING to do with the "spotbeam" you're in; you could even enter zip code 62704, & you would see our local OTA stations in your guide...it is NOT based on any type of "OTA scanning", like your HDTV's have) If D* does NOT have a particular subchannel listed in their database, your receiver(s) will NOT even be able to tune it in - & there is NOTHING you can do about that. mad.gif

Unfortunately, D* in its infinite wisdom, decided to stop doing OTA channel updates to their database - so any new or deleted subchannels within about the past year or so, will NOT be in your guide. According to sources over at the satellite boards, it's allegedly because their OTA EPG database is "too full", to allow any more updates - of course, D* would NEVER simply tell their users of this issue, so that at least their subs would not have to keep getting all of the FUBAR related to this issue. rolleyes.gif
It's one of the main reasons why I finally dumped them, & switched to E* - ALL their HD receivers do OTA scanning, & allow you to watch ALL OTA channels you can receive at your location; although they do have some subchannels that lack EPG info. But, you CAN at least watch them, & set up manual timers on the DVR.
(AND unfortunately...just like D*, E* has decided to pretty much stop updating THEIR OTA subchannel EPG database as well - again, I can at least set a manual timer to record any subchannels, even if there is NO EPG info for them...)

- If you have one of the new Genie DVR's, those receivers DO allow the AM21 to scan & find all receivable stations, which you can then watch - similar to how the E* receivers now work. However, you STILL will have the problem of no EPG info, for the same reason I stated above.
Edited by dishrich - 4/20/13 at 8:26am
post #14259 of 14743
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

Well you DO understand (your neighbors) have several issues why they are NOT getting HD:

- ALL HR2x receivers are HD capable, period.

- They might have an R16 DVR; they were using these for awhile for SD-only subs, but it too IS HD capable - but they will NOT turn on HD service, if that is the ONLY (HD) receiver on their account. They'll have to get it upgraded to an HR2x or Genie DVR - or add another HD DVR to their account to make their R16 HD capable.

- How DO you expect them to get (any) HD channels - when they do NOT have the required HD dish to GET those channels??? Pretty much make the rest a moot point... wink.gif

- Besides having the correct HD dish, D* DOES charge an "HD access" fee of $10/month; if you do NOT pay that fee, you don't get any HD - simple as that.
(there are ways to get the fee waived, but w/out the proper dish, again, it's a moot point...)

- If you looked at the front of the DVR, you would see that the 720p/1080i lights are NOT lit. Also, if you looked at the guide, you would see they have NONE of the HD channels even available. Again, no HD dish/no HD fee - no HD, period.

Bottom line - they could VERY easily get things upgraded properly for HD, & most likely FREE - but they most likely WILL have to do a 2 year ext...
Thanks Rich & Network TV. Ok interesting event today we took my HR21 in my living room which has everything HD and swap that with his R16 which again looks just like my HR21 except it's NOT as glossy. Well, after searching for sat signals I thought we were in business but what's strange is that he can't get a picture but it shows the channel display ie Food network or CNN but no picture and it keeps showing the message searching on sat 771 but it doesn't say anything about calling customer service tech. I guess he does need to get an oval dish in order to get a picture. I thought he could still at least get a better picture with my HR21 dvr even though he has a round dish.
post #14260 of 14743
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post


It's one of the main reasons why I finally dumped them, & switched to E* - ALL their HD receivers do OTA scanning, & allow you to watch ALL OTA channels you can receive at your location; although they do have some subchannels that lack EPG info. But, you CAN at least watch them, & set up manual timers on the DVR.

... or you could have just picked up a TiVo Premier while you can still get them with ATSC tuners ...
post #14261 of 14743
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

... or you could have just picked up a TiVo Premier while you can still get them with ATSC tuners ...

AND have (ANOTHER) DVR fee to pay for, JUST to do OTA now & then...I don't think so... rolleyes.gif

(BTW. did I mention that E* also gave me the (2) OTA tuner modules at NO charge, along with a free Sling...as well as waiving my DVR fee for a year... biggrin.gif )
post #14262 of 14743
The problem for those neighbors is they still have vizio lcd. biggrin.gif
post #14263 of 14743
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

I had D* for many many years but moved and needed wireless receivers. This was late December and my promotion with Uverse tv is going to expire in a couple of months so we are looking at going back to D*. Are the wireless receivers available to the public yet? Are these HD as well? Which HR model supports wireless? I saved our owned HR20 with a 1.5 tb drive in it, AM-21, and wireless connection kit for when we did come back to D*.

I don't believe wireless receivers are available from D*. I haven't seen anything about them, although i don't follow upcoming news as much as other on this board.
post #14264 of 14743
Does anyone know if the Yankee games broadcast on My9 are also on the YES subchannels? My provider is Directv. Long story but I guess I'm too far from the spot beam to recieve Ch 9 WWOR.
post #14265 of 14743
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

You need to tell us which receiver you are using w/your AM21 - as it DOES make a difference on how it works...

- If you have an H2x or HR2x receiver/DVR, the AM21 DOES, in fact, get ALL of it's OTA channel info from a database D* sends up in their data stream. It IS based on the zip code(s) you enter when you are setting your AM21 up. (it has NOTHING to do with the "spotbeam" you're in; you could even enter zip code 62704, & you would see our local OTA stations in your guide...it is NOT based on any type of "OTA scanning", like your HDTV's have) If D* does NOT have a particular subchannel listed in their database, your receiver(s) will NOT even be able to tune it in - & there is NOTHING you can do about that. mad.gif

Unfortunately, D* in its infinite wisdom, decided to stop doing OTA channel updates to their database - so any new or deleted subchannels within about the past year or so, will NOT be in your guide. According to sources over at the satellite boards, it's allegedly because their OTA EPG database is "too full", to allow any more updates - of course, D* would NEVER simply tell their users of this issue, so that at least their subs would not have to keep getting all of the FUBAR related to this issue. rolleyes.gif
It's one of the main reasons why I finally dumped them, & switched to E* - ALL their HD receivers do OTA scanning, & allow you to watch ALL OTA channels you can receive at your location; although they do have some subchannels that lack EPG info. But, you CAN at least watch them, & set up manual timers on the DVR.
(AND unfortunately...just like D*, E* has decided to pretty much stop updating THEIR OTA subchannel EPG database as well - again, I can at least set a manual timer to record any subchannels, even if there is NO EPG info for them...)

- If you have one of the new Genie DVR's, those receivers DO allow the AM21 to scan & find all receivable stations, which you can then watch - similar to how the E* receivers now work. However, you STILL will have the problem of no EPG info, for the same reason I stated above.

Thanks for your reply. The DVR I have is the HR24-500. It USED TO work like you stated and that's what is frustrating about this. It always had the distant OTA stations program guide info and I know it couldn't have been getting it via the digital OTA signal since I only received those signals when the weather was just right. Could a recent upgrade to my box force it to only get the EPG info via the on-air signals instead of using the database? Thanks again!
post #14266 of 14743
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Originally Posted by hunter65 View Post

Does anyone know if the Yankee games broadcast on My9 are also on the YES subchannels? My provider is Directv. Long story but I guess I'm too far from the spot beam to recieve Ch 9 WWOR.
A quick look at the Yankees schedule compared to the YES schedule would lead me to say no, but the games are still available on the visiting team's regional channel (available via MLBEI)

However, if your receiver "moved to NYC," then you'll be blacked out of that. The WPIX games ARE simulcast of YES games, so those you'll still be able to get.
post #14267 of 14743
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Originally Posted by PAULSTORM View Post

Could a recent upgrade to my box force it to only get the EPG info via the on-air signals instead of using the database?

NO way; it's made to ONLY work from the database, sorry.
post #14268 of 14743
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Originally Posted by hunter65 View Post

Does anyone know if the Yankee games broadcast on My9 are also on the YES subchannels? My provider is Directv. Long story but I guess I'm too far from the spot beam to recieve Ch 9 WWOR.

Last year, I was able to receive the My9 broadcasts for NYY games. But at least one game recently, I noticed it was missing and I was only able to pick up the other teams broadcast in the extra innings channels (700+). I don't know if it is a permanent change or not.
post #14269 of 14743
Can somebody tell D* what "Ultimate" means
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultimate
Why is it the 2nd best package? lol
post #14270 of 14743
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

A quick look at the Yankees schedule compared to the YES schedule would lead me to say no, but the games are still available on the visiting team's regional channel (available via MLBEI)

However, if your receiver "moved to NYC," then you'll be blacked out of that. The WPIX games ARE simulcast of YES games, so those you'll still be able to get.

WPIX carries the Mets, not the Evil Empire. smile.gif Been that way for 15 years now.
post #14271 of 14743
I'm guessing the #1 package is called "The Super Ultimate Package"?

I couldn't agree more, ultimate should always be number 1, no matter the subject.

SMH
post #14272 of 14743
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Originally Posted by hunter65 View Post

Does anyone know if the Yankee games broadcast on My9 are also on the YES subchannels? My provider is Directv. Long story but I guess I'm too far from the spot beam to recieve Ch 9 WWOR.

Last night's game was broadcast on My9 and it was part of the MLB extra innings package so all is good.
post #14273 of 14743
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Originally Posted by Kingcarcas View Post

Can somebody tell D* what "Ultimate" means
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ultimate
Why is it the 2nd best package? lol

It's not the Ultimate package, that's why.

Its the Choice Ultimate package, or to expand on that, it is the highest/best/greatest of the Choice packages of which there are 3, Choice, Choice Extra, and Choice Ultimate (yes I know there are more when you talk about grandfathered packages, but we aren't talking about them here, and even if we were Choice Ultimate would be higher than them).
post #14274 of 14743
I have a 5.1 System and my D* Genie is hooked up via digital coax into my receiver and HDMI from Genie to TV. Whenever I watch a movie on D* with loud gunshots or explosions I can hear intermittent popping noises that coincides with the gunshot/explosions. I initially thought it was my system but started to wonder why I never heard those noises or any sound anomalies for that matter while watching Blu-Rays or playing PS3 Games. I tested Die Hard 2 on Cinemax HD with my sound system. Every time there were gunshots I could hear the popping noises. I rewound, turned off my system, and played back with TV speakers. They were still there. I even went upstairs and used our bedroom TV with the same results. It also does it with newer movies. Anyone else experience this or know of a fix?

P.S. My main system is all hooked up correctly with very nice HDMI 1.4 cables, (not Monster), and all sound settings are set to DD on D*.
post #14275 of 14743
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

I had D* for many many years but moved and needed wireless receivers. This was late December and my promotion with Uverse tv is going to expire in a couple of months so we are looking at going back to D*. Are the wireless receivers available to the public yet? Are these HD as well? Which HR model supports wireless? I saved our owned HR20 with a 1.5 tb drive in it, AM-21, and wireless connection kit for when we did come back to D*.
Anyone?
post #14276 of 14743
Wireless???
Nada, Nein, Nyet, Bupkis!
post #14277 of 14743
Yeah, if you really don't want to or can't run the wires, best to get a receiver that has the rf remote option, then use a wireless hdmi option (hundred bucks at Costco) to get the signal to the television.
post #14278 of 14743
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Originally Posted by No Clue View Post

Last night's game was broadcast on My9 and it was part of the MLB extra innings package so all is good.
Except, judging from his post, his receiver is assigned a NYC address (hence his WOR spotbeam comment), so he'd have been blacked out of MLBEI
post #14279 of 14743
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Originally Posted by DrDon View Post

Except, judging from his post, his receiver is assigned a NYC address (hence his WOR spotbeam comment), so he'd have been blacked out of MLBEI

Oh really? Bummer. I'll never see the 1 game a week on My 9. Even if I sub to MLB EI?
post #14280 of 14743
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Originally Posted by hunter65 View Post

Oh really? Bummer. I'll never see the 1 game a week on My 9. Even if I sub to MLB EI?
Games broadcast locally are blacked out on MLBEI within the team's territory:
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LOCAL BLACKOUT INFORMATION
If you live in a ZIP code that is within a Major League Baseball team's territory, that team's games will be blacked out from the MLB EXTRA INNINGS game package, but will generally be available as part of your regional sports network or team's over-the-air affiliate television station. Blackouts protect the local rightsholders who arrange separate distribution agreements with the teams for their exclusive territories.

However, if you "move" your receiver back to where you actually live (I'm assuming from your spotbeam comment you're nowhere near NYC), then you should be able to get all the games via MLBEI.
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