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post #151 of 14741
and how many years away is 1080p or will we never see it (in my lifetime anyways)
post #152 of 14741
Well said.

What I wonder is this. Do you think their data shows that the average viewer (obviously not the AVS member) prefers stretched content to pillars? Or zooming etc?

Given a comparison I can't imagine that's the case. But as a practical matter they're basing the decision on something.


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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

Note to networks:

1) Your HD channel should be your premium offering. Tuning to that channel should offer viewers the best way to experience your network. You should not force viewers to tune into your SD channel to get the best quality for the 80% of the time you are sending SD content. IOW, Do not distort, crop or zoom the standard definition programming (unless it is formatted letterboxed on the SD feed).

2) Don't call upconverted standard definition programming "HD" in the program guide - you aren't fooling us. Those that you do fool, what do you gain? You're just as likely to have viewers form a negative opinion of your "HD" compared to other network's actual HD.
post #153 of 14741
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Originally Posted by tim99 View Post

What I wonder is this. Do you think their data shows that the average viewer (obviously not the AVS member) prefers stretched content to pillars? Or zooming etc?

Given a comparison I can't imagine that's the case. But as a practical matter they're basing the decision on something.


They're basing it on the assumption that people will be confused if they tune in an HD channel and it isn't all "HD".

What's asinine is, if they all did the right thing, the education learning curve of the general public would be virtually immediate. It wouldn't take long for people to realize that not all programming is available in HD. We've come to expect up to 20 or more hours of older/rerun programming on each cablenet - we'll (collectively) quickly realize that a sizable portion of the programming is not available in HD either.
post #154 of 14741
Everything working great here. I'm setting up all of my new SL's and I'm having trouble with ones on Discovery HD. I can't get Mythbusters to show up on the HD feed to set up a SL. Will it show up in time?
post #155 of 14741
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I do respect your opinion. But, to my eyes, the differences are not great enough to invest millions of dollars in 1080p.

Well if you've ever seen a 1080P display, the difference is stunning. A much more drastic difference than what we've seen in these new HD channels. Some have posted here that 1080P is comparable to Blueray and HD DVD.
post #156 of 14741
..just viewing one program on Animal PlanetHD and they are doing thing very nicely. Also, the Science Channel seems to be OK on first viewing.

The quality of top programming brought to us by Directv looks very good. So, good that a person can begin to see the 'differences' in quality of HD cameras and the way the program was shot.
post #157 of 14741
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and how many years away is 1080p or will we never see it (in my lifetime anyways)

Well that is the big question. Probably a few years away.
post #158 of 14741
[quote=mp11;11732913][quote=richard korsgren;11732820]
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Well if you've ever seen a 1080P display, the difference is stunning. A much more drastic difference than what we've seen in these new HD channels. Some have posted here that 1080P is comparable to Blueray and HD DVD.

Have seen Blueray and HD DVD many times (and very impressed) .. my views expressed above still stand. I believe the present method of sending forth HD content (720p and 1080i) will remain with us for many years. Only time will tell of course.
post #159 of 14741
Q. Is DirecTV still doing HD-Lite with the new MPEG4 channels.


A. First at this specific time we cannot prove what resolution and bitrate each HD channel is being broadcasting in by DirecTV. So this is based on my staff and member reports regarding picture quality.

Thus far all new HDTV MPEG4 channels that were broadcasting a show in HDTV have had stunning picture quality. Some reports including my own view on it is that the picture quality is on par with Comcast and Verizon FIOS picture quality.

So as of today with current MPEG4 offerings I'd say its a very very safe bet to say heck no its not HD-Lite.
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1048570-post1.html
post #160 of 14741
Did I tune in late or something? Several people have mentioned how great CNN looks in HD. I'm getting sidebars with an HD logo embedded; I'm on the right channel because my HR-20 says 1080. I'm not a complainer, but that's not my idea of good HD. Same with the weather channel.
post #161 of 14741
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Originally Posted by Mozvz View Post

Own two H20's. Slim line dish. Northeast PA resident. Latest software upgrade. Gone through setup more times then I can count.

I've had the 771 error since this entire implementation of these new HD channels. Cold boots, warm boots, reseating the BBC's, spent an hour with D*'s tech support and nothing but that searching for satellite 771 error. HD lite subscriber since the dino's roamed the earth. Patience will prevail unless someone has a silver bullet.

Using a multiswitch? I had to get a new one as my powered Terk wasn't compatible with the new sat.
post #162 of 14741
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Originally Posted by yampan View Post

Did I tune in late or something? Several people have mentioned how great CNN looks in HD. I'm getting sidebars with an HD logo embedded; I'm on the right channel because my HR-20 says 1080. I'm not a complainer, but that's not my idea of good HD. Same with the weather channel.

only material from nyc studios is HD at the moment.
post #163 of 14741
Hey guys,
I have an H20-100 and HR20-700. On the H20, I see all of the new HD channels (although they aren't the first ones that appear like on my HR20 downstairs). However, on the H20...I am currently getting a searching for satellite message on Discovery, CNN, and VS. The rest of the new HD channels show up. I reset and did a repeat satellite setup to now avail. Any other thoughts? Looks like all of them on the HR20 work fine.
post #164 of 14741
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Originally Posted by yampan View Post

Did I tune in late or something? Several people have mentioned how great CNN looks in HD. I'm getting sidebars with an HD logo embedded; I'm on the right channel because my HR-20 says 1080. I'm not a complainer, but that's not my idea of good HD. Same with the weather channel.


Have you even seen black pillars look that black? It's tremendous.

Not a whole lot to judge yet.

>Really looking forward to FOOD, sad it didn't make the first cut.
post #165 of 14741
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Originally Posted by yampan View Post

Did I tune in late or something? Several people have mentioned how great CNN looks in HD. I'm getting sidebars with an HD logo embedded; I'm on the right channel because my HR-20 says 1080. I'm not a complainer, but that's not my idea of good HD. Same with the weather channel.

You must understand that sending out HD programming is somewhat new to many providers. They are still replacing their equipment..cameras..and so on with HD equipment. It costs a lot of money.
On new HD channels there will continue to be quite a lot of SD content. Be happy it is being shown in original format (side bars) and not stretched (with serious distortion) like on some channels. It will take months (maybe years) for all programmers to come totally ino the HD era. This morning,. earlier, CNN was in full HD and it looked excellent. Bottom line..this 4 x 3 content is shown within a 16 x 9 space so something has to be added to the sides. The quality on this content should be excellent, for the most part.
post #166 of 14741
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Originally Posted by rlp2955 View Post

Hey guys,
I have an H20-100 and HR20-700. On the H20, I see all of the new HD channels (although they aren't the first ones that appear like on my HR20 downstairs). However, on the H20...I am currently getting a searching for satellite message on Discovery, CNN, and VS. The rest of the new HD channels show up. I reset and did a repeat satellite setup to now avail. Any other thoughts? Looks like all of them on the HR20 work fine.

A person on DBSTalk was having the same issue. He said he pulled the power plug for 30 seconds, then powered back up and the H20 was now working. I need to try the same thing when I get home, because I was having the same issue with mine this morning before I left for work. Let us know if that fixes your H20 problem.
post #167 of 14741
I suspect the splitter issue. Of my 3 tv's I only get the 771 error on the one that uses the splitter (which I knew might have probs beforehand). My other 2 tv's are getting the channels.

Guess I have to call 'the guy' to help fix this one since our receiver is located under our dresser so not easily accessible to move connections around when wanting to switch from ota channels to sat channels. Hope it is not a complicated issue.
post #168 of 14741
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Originally Posted by tim99 View Post

Well said.

What I wonder is this. Do you think their data shows that the average viewer (obviously not the AVS member) prefers stretched content to pillars? Or zooming etc?

Given a comparison I can't imagine that's the case. But as a practical matter they're basing the decision on something.

This is absolutely the case. The casual viewer (and to an extent, myself as well) doesn't want bars on the sides of their TV. They want it to cover the screen. The thinking is, why pay for a 42" display when I'm only seeing 32" of it? (An exaggeration, but you get my point)
post #169 of 14741
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

>Really looking forward to FOOD, sad it didn't make the first cut.

My wife's mad because this one isn't on yet. She went "awww man"
post #170 of 14741
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

You must understand that sending out HD programming is somewhat new to many providers. They are still replacing their equipment..cameras..and so on with HD equipment. It costs a lot of money.
On new HD channels there will continue to be quite a lot of SD content. Be happy it is being shown in original format (side bars) and not stretched (with serious distortion) like on some channels. It will take months (maybe years) for all programmers to come totally ino the HD era. This morning,. earlier, CNN was in full HD and it looked excellent.

I think he was just questioning the reviews for CNN HD when they are showing SD content.

Should be noted for those that viewed CNBC's "HD" plans in the other thread as "real HD" because their ticker and graphics are in HD that even the current CNN HD programming has HD pillarbars and an HD ticker at the bottom. They should all be pleased even without the NY studio HD content.
post #171 of 14741
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Using a multiswitch? I had to get a new one as my powered Terk wasn't compatible with the new sat.

Yes, using a multi switch.. That could be the problem. I don't have a Terk as we built a new home and whatever the electrician used, I have no idea. I'll check when I arrive home tonight.

The only way to troubleshoot is probably purchase another one? If so, any suggestions of where I could find one that is compatible?

Is there a list (idealistic??) of multi switches that are NOT compatible with the new sat??

Thanks for your help,
Charles
post #172 of 14741
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Originally Posted by mx6bfast View Post

My wife's mad because this one isn't on yet. She went "awww man"


FOODHD has it's own programming and plays the same 3 shows over and over. You aren't missing anything besides the occasional HD good eats.

Maybe one day they will have a HD simulcast of the regular channel.
post #173 of 14741
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Originally Posted by chibul View Post

This is absolutely the case. The casual viewer (and to an extent, myself as well) doesn't want bars on the sides of their TV. They want it to cover the screen. The thinking is, why pay for a 42" display when I'm only seeing 32" of it? (An exaggeration, but you get my point)

and, if a person prefers distortion, there are channels that present HD that way. I believe it to be totally wrong but that is my opinion. I am a photographer and enjoy seeing sharp, clear and clean pictures. Thankfully, many channels have gone the other way and present the images in the format it was shot in..be it 4 x3 or 16 x 9 or some other 'movie' format. The worse thing is take an original HD tv program such as '24' shot in 16x9 and HD and show it the second time around, in a distorted manner. A and E HD done that this morning. And it looked awful.
post #174 of 14741
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Do you have some proof to back up this statement?

Of course he doesn't.

Ignorant comments like that are the reason I quit hanging around here a looooong time ago.
post #175 of 14741
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Originally Posted by Mozvz View Post

Yes, using a multi switch.. That could be the problem. I don't have a Terk as we built a new home and whatever the electrician used, I have no idea. I'll check when I arrive home tonight.

The only way to troubleshoot is probably purchase another one? If so, any suggestions of where I could find one that is compatible?

Is there a list (idealistic??) of multi switches that are NOT compatible with the new sat??

Thanks for your help,
Charles

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=WB68

This is the one that was recommended to me on another thread and is the same one that the D* repair guy gave me for free when he came out yetserday. I had scheduled the repair visit a few days ago before I knew about the splitter issue. He showed up, I told him what the issue was, he handed me the splitter and left.

I would almost guarantee that this is your issue if the house is more than a few months old.
post #176 of 14741
I'm getting all the channels I should relative to my programming package but CNN, NFL newtwork breaks up & Animal Planet HD searches for signals.
I checked my signal for 103' B & its pretty weak....time for an alignment tweak?
post #177 of 14741
[quote=mp11;11732913][quote=richard korsgren;11732820]
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Well if you've ever seen a 1080P display, the difference is stunning. A much more drastic difference than what we've seen in these new HD channels. Some have posted here that 1080P is comparable to Blueray and HD DVD.

It is all a matter of bandwidth. Broadcast TV is limited to something like 19.3 Mbps of data. I've seen Blu Ray going up to 38 Mpbs when sending out a 1080i/60 signal. That 1080i signal when upconverted by my SXRD to 1080p will provide more detail/resolution than any signal over broadcast TV.

They could broadcast 1080p/24 with the 19.3 bandwidth; but it won't provide more resolution/detail than 1080i and all equipment from the studios to your STB would have to be swapped out (i.e., billions of bucks of current infrastructure).
post #178 of 14741
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Originally Posted by chibul View Post

This is absolutely the case. The casual viewer (and to an extent, myself as well) doesn't want bars on the sides of their TV. They want it to cover the screen. The thinking is, why pay for a 42" display when I'm only seeing 32" of it? (An exaggeration, but you get my point)

That's ridiculous. If you want to zoom or stretch, you're free to do so if they pass it normal.

If you watch square programming on a rectangle TV, it's going to be a square - the 42" TV will yield a bigger square than a 32" TV - that's why you buy a bigger TV for a bigger picture.
post #179 of 14741
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Originally Posted by Mozvz View Post

Yes, using a multi switch.. That could be the problem. I don't have a Terk as we built a new home and whatever the electrician used, I have no idea. I'll check when I arrive home tonight.

The only way to troubleshoot is probably purchase another one? If so, any suggestions of where I could find one that is compatible?

Is there a list (idealistic??) of multi switches that are NOT compatible with the new sat??

Thanks for your help,
Charles

I know for a fact that these two work....

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=WB68

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=WB616

If you only need 8 tuners or less, the WB68 will do the job. This is the one I have installed.

Cheers,
John
post #180 of 14741
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Originally Posted by chibul View Post

This is absolutely the case. The casual viewer (and to an extent, myself as well) doesn't want bars on the sides of their TV. They want it to cover the screen. The thinking is, why pay for a 42" display when I'm only seeing 32" of it? (An exaggeration, but you get my point)

And those running relatively new plasmas don't want to take the risk of burn in, particularly during the first few hundred hours. Still, I can't stand how NBC loves to stretch programs, but not quite enough. They'll stretch it almost enough but they'll still leave little slivers on the right/left. Just broadcast them as 4:3 and let the end user decide how to stretch them!

Mike
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