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post #2131 of 2539
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

You guys are assuming that everyone involved in the Nazi ark expedition died on that island but I'm sure there were some bureaucrats that signed off on it that didn't make the trip or the submarine crew that stayed in the boat.

Didn't they put the arc in a cave with a woman and 2 brothers prior to the plane crashing?
I am sorry , feeling a little Lost:D
post #2132 of 2539
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Originally Posted by MRM4 View Post

Raj and Stewart probably make a funnier duo than Raj and Howard, especially now that Howard is married and can't go trolling.

The only thing I don't like about the new season is making Bernadette and real b!#ch. I assume they will be taking that somewhere soon.

You may be on to something based on the description of the next episode. frown.gif
post #2133 of 2539
Some of those busy-bodies that were flying around might heading out to sea in search of such submarine. rolleyes.gif
post #2134 of 2539
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

The ark would of stayed lost if they all died, thus ensuring that it stays lost in history as it should of been. It didn't want to be discovered (since you die if you open it), so that would of been the best thing to happen if Indy wasn't there. They all die and no one knows about it. The story SHOULDN'T be told sicne it should not be discovered/recovered.

But if the story isn't told, then we have no movie smile.gif
post #2135 of 2539
Guys, it's so simple. If Indy isn't there, Marion dies. Most likely in her own bar, but definitely somewhere. Isn't that enough? Hero action.

I loved Sheldon's assessment of Pride and Prejudice, though.
post #2136 of 2539
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Originally Posted by Spiky View Post

Guys, it's so simple. If Indy isn't there, Marion dies. Most likely in her own bar, but definitely somewhere. Isn't that enough? Hero action.

Maybe that would have saved us from the fourth Indiana Jones movie!
post #2137 of 2539
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Originally Posted by Spiky View Post

Guys, it's so simple. If Indy isn't there, Marion dies. Most likely in her own bar, but definitely somewhere. Isn't that enough? Hero action.

I loved Sheldon's assessment of Pride and Prejudice, though.

Why does she die, the Nazis come in, want it, she has to give it to them because there is no Indy there to save her, they leave with it.
post #2138 of 2539
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Why does she die, the Nazis come in, want it, she has to give it to them because there is no Indy there to save her, they leave with it.

Oh the Nazis wouldn't have thought twice about killing her. They already had her detained when they were about to burn her with the hot poker. If Indy weren't there they, at the very least, would have tortured her (until she told them where the medallion was or they found it)...because they're Nazis.

But Indy was totally relevant because if Indy hadn't shown up first (to talk to Marion) then she likely would have never taken the medallion from around her neck. Had the fight and fire had not started, one COULD question whether the Nazis would have found where she hung the medallion. I would think they would think it was in a more secure or hidden type location. Of course, this factors out any torture to get her to talk. But, call it fate if you like, but Indy DID show up first and his conversation with Marion effectively caused her to take the medallion from around her neck to reflect and ponder. Indy was further relevant because he showed up again while the Nazis were there, started the fight and the resulting fire. Medallion gets hot, Nazi tries to grab it...we all know the story. Because of that, the Nazis would never have found the Ark or at least it would have taken a whole lot longer because they had the wrong measurements.

Beyond that, you could argue that it was Indy's fault that the Bellocque (sp) and the Nazis found the Ark because had he never pursued it they (the Nazis) would never have seen where he was digging. But being an archeologist, that in and of itself wouldn't make sense. Of course he's going to go after it. The fact that the Nazis were also looking for it in close proximity created the sense of urgency. Not to mention he "had" to go there to save Marion.

Sorry if you all already understood all of that wink.gif Now, my "issue' with Amy's issue with ROLA is that she made it sound as if the movie was about the Ark. It was about Indy and his adventures, which in this case was pursuit of the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark wasn't as relevant as Indy's adventure along the way. I was disappointed that the braniac BBT crew missed that. wink.gif
post #2139 of 2539
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Oh the Nazis wouldn't have thought twice about killing her. They already had her detained when they were about to burn her with the hot poker. If Indy weren't there they, at the very least, would have tortured her (until she told them where the medallion was or they found it)...because they're Nazis.

But Indy was totally relevant because if Indy hadn't shown up first (to talk to Marion) then she likely would have never taken the medallion from around her neck. Had the fight and fire had not started, one COULD question whether the Nazis would have found where she hung the medallion. I would think they would think it was in a more secure or hidden type location. Of course, this factors out any torture to get her to talk. But, call it fate if you like, but Indy DID show up first and his conversation with Marion effectively caused her to take the medallion from around her neck to reflect and ponder. Indy was further relevant because he showed up again while the Nazis were there, started the fight and the resulting fire. Medallion gets hot, Nazi tries to grab it...we all know the story. Because of that, the Nazis would never have found the Ark or at least it would have taken a whole lot longer because they had the wrong measurements.

Beyond that, you could argue that it was Indy's fault that the Bellocque (sp) and the Nazis found the Ark because had he never pursued it they (the Nazis) would never have seen where he was digging. But being an archeologist, that in and of itself wouldn't make sense. Of course he's going to go after it. The fact that the Nazis were also looking for it in close proximity created the sense of urgency. Not to mention he "had" to go there to save Marion.

Sorry if you all already understood all of that wink.gif Now, my "issue' with Amy's issue with ROLA is that she made it sound as if the movie was about the Ark. It was about Indy and his adventures, which in this case was pursuit of the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark wasn't as relevant as Indy's adventure along the way. I was disappointed that the braniac BBT crew missed that. wink.gif

Well, they would of dug in the right spot if they had both sides to the amulet (if I remember right), if they got everything themselves they would of dug right (weren't they digging in the wrong place because of Indy?) Been a long time since I saw it, and frankly I don't really care anymore. smile.gif
post #2140 of 2539
Did you all miss the end when they flat out state that without Indy no one would have known and it would be on the island instead of locked up?
post #2141 of 2539
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Well, they would of dug in the right spot if they had both sides to the amulet (if I remember right), if they got everything themselves they would of dug right (weren't they digging in the wrong place because of Indy?) Been a long time since I saw it, and frankly I don't really care anymore. smile.gif

Yes they would have. But they didn't because of Indy.
post #2142 of 2539
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Did you all miss the end when they flat out state that without Indy no one would have known and it would be on the island instead of locked up?

I caught that. Indy brought it back to the warehouse (instead of the museum as originally intended) thus I guess the ability to "tell the story" if you argue that Indy was pointless to the story. But I "argue" that the ark isn't the story, but rather Indy is. And the story doesn't play out like it did without his visit with Marion in Nepal.
post #2143 of 2539
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Why does she die, the Nazis come in, want it, she has to give it to them because there is no Indy there to save her, they leave with it.
It was already posted, but to expand: She wears it around her neck. To remove it, Spectacles would have killed her. Possibly: gleefully.
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Did you all miss the end when they flat out state that without Indy no one would have known and it would be on the island instead of locked up?
That was easily picked apart here, although I can't remember how they ended the episode discussion of the point. Afraid that just doesn't counter Amy's point.

We have two very plausible ways to disprove it here. 1) Hero story. 2) Adventurer story. (ie, not 'ark' story)
Edited by Spiky - 10/16/13 at 9:21am
post #2144 of 2539
The ark was just the McGuffin.
post #2145 of 2539
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Originally Posted by hcady View Post

The ark was just the McGuffin.

Ironically, it's more like Indy himself is the macguffin.

Indy has little to no relevance on the plot, yet we all understand why the ark is important! Although, the ark is definitely still a macguffin (it brings all the characters together for the central conflict).
post #2146 of 2539
I think this conversation proves that Big Bang Theory fans are just as geeky as Big Bang Theory characters. biggrin.gif
post #2147 of 2539
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

Ironically, it's more like Indy himself is the macguffin.

Indy has little to no relevance on the plot, yet we all understand why the ark is important! Although, the ark is definitely still a macguffin (it brings all the characters together for the central conflict).

No. The Ark is NOT a MacGuffin. MacGuffins DON'T kill all the bad guys. That's not how they work.

Indy is not the MacGuffin either. MacGuffins are NOT the protagonist of the film.

To sum up:

Edited by John dhein - 10/17/13 at 1:25pm
post #2148 of 2539
Thanks, but no thanks. I definitely know what a macguffin is.

If you want to get serious about it (and not jokingly, as I was in my earlier post), the Ark is most definitely a macguffin in the Raiders of the Lost Ark. By definition, the Ark is the object that brings all the characters together for the central conflict. The fact that it is also the executor of the deus ex machina at the end of the film is of little consequence, because the entire plot of the film up until that point is reliant on the Ark to get the characters (Indy, Marion, Nazis) involved. Nazi death at the end is merely a bonus feature. Sure, that one thing steps outside the bounds of a macguffin, but only because it has unique mystical powers.
post #2149 of 2539
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

I think this conversation proves that Big Bang Theory fans are just as geeky as Big Bang Theory characters. biggrin.gif
I would hope: more so.
post #2150 of 2539
Rosebud is a MacGuffin, The Ark is not.

The point of a MacGuffin is that it does not matter what it is. Calling The Ark a MacGuffin is the same as calling Debbie a MacGuffin in The Searchers. The Maltese Falcon is a MacGuffin. The One Ring i is NOT.

Characters that have vital parts to play in a story ARE NOT MacGuffins.
post #2151 of 2539
The Wikipedia article on "Macguffin" says different people say different things about the concept. The article quotes how George Lucas sees it, and it's pretty clear that he intended the Ark as the Macguffin for the film.
post #2152 of 2539
Sorry 'bout going off topic but I prefer Hitchcock's take on a MacGuffin (Hitch's spelling), in so much that he was 10x the filmmaker than Lucas.
post #2153 of 2539
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Originally Posted by Kib View Post

Sorry 'bout going off topic but I prefer Hitchcock's take on a MacGuffin (Hitch's spelling), in so much that he was 10x the filmmaker than Lucas.
I don't disagree with you there!

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post #2154 of 2539
TVtropes agrees with my assessment of the Ark as a macguffin, and EVEN goes so far as to give the same caveat that I do about the deus ex machina at the end. Just because it kills everyone at the end doesn't mean it wasn't a macguffin the whole time.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin
post #2155 of 2539
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

TVtropes agrees with my assessment of the Ark as a macguffin, and EVEN goes so far as to give the same caveat that I do about the deus ex machina at the end. Just because it kills everyone at the end doesn't mean it wasn't a macguffin the whole time.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MacGuffin

Yes. Yes, it does. A MacGuffin is a NOTHING. TVtropes is wrong.

The only way that The Ark is a MacGuffin is if you are using the term, in an incredibly broad way, as shorthand for "any object or item that is the focus of the plot, and which is used to bring the characters together." Not every plot driver is a MacGuffin.

But, what the hell.

That's just, like, my opinion, man.
post #2156 of 2539
They keep teasing us with Sheldon getting laid, I guess this is not happening soon, maybe end of season?

I wouldn't get tired of Bernadette though, even if her voice isn't the best out there...
post #2157 of 2539
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

They keep teasing us with Sheldon getting laid, I guess this is not happening soon, maybe end of season?

I wouldn't get tired of Bernadette though, even if her voice isn't the best out there...

Why are you talking about last night's episode? I thought this thread was about what is or is not a MacGuffin and what a MacGuffin actually is? tongue.gif

Back on topic -- I really enjoyed last night's episode. For a second there at the end I thought Sheldon was gonna apologize to Amy and seal the deal ... but I shoulda known better....
post #2158 of 2539
Debating what is/isn't a MacGuffin is the MacGuffin! I would really like to see Amy break up with Sheldon (if only temporarily). His behavior from last night's show was really out of line. Or, at least, have Amy exact some revenge of some sort.
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Oops.... wrong thread . . . wink.gif
post #2160 of 2539
Wow, the guys were in extra-rare form in that episode. First time in a while that I can remember them not resolving the fix they got themselves in with their ladies....
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