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Sammy 5000 or XA2/PS3 combo?

post #1 of 41
Thread Starter 
Looking for some input.

I was currenty using a 360 add-on for HD-DVD and just purchased an XA2 for 24p and bitstream lossless (pending fw update). I was planning on getting a PS3 for BR but the bitstream audio and decoding of DTS MA has me a bit bummed.

I have the Samsung on pre-order. Will I be sorry if I get rid of the XA2 (un-opened) and forgo the PS3 for the 5000?

post #2 of 41
I say "No"...
post #3 of 41
I'm looking forward to reading some reviews of the Sammy. If it's as good as I keep hearing it will be, I'd much rather have a dual format player than two separate stand-alones. I'm hearing it has the Reon chip and should look as good as the XA2. I'd love to see it street for 600 or under by next year so I can pick one up!
post #4 of 41
Get the 5000. My PS3 works perfectly fine but the fan noise is ridiculous. I'm selling the PS3 as soon as I can get a 5000.
post #5 of 41
As long as you are not using analog for the audio, you should be fine going with the Sammy.
post #6 of 41
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I was aware of the lack of setup options in the 5000 but I'd be using HDMI for audio. I was more concerned with the omission of any color controls (contrast, brightness etc.) but that's not something I really have used in the past. Just seems nice to have if you need it .

Having one box for all formats definitely has it's appeal though . I just hope the SD upscaling of the 5000 is on par with the XA2.

Again thanks for the feedback.
post #7 of 41
I think it really depends on your setup (receiver, HDMI inputs free, number of analog inputs free, shelf space).

Personally, I'm going with the Sammy, based mostly on the above factors.

However, assuming there is no clear winner in the format war anytime soon, I could easily see someone going with the PS3 and XA2 since both are somewhat future proof (assuming the PS3 can be updated to Blu-Ray 2.0).
post #8 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jive_devil View Post

...(assuming the PS3 can be updated to Blu-Ray 2.0).

That is an assumption I have been hesitant to make .
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by Cilent1 View Post

Looking for some input.

I was currenty using a 360 add-on for HD-DVD and just purchased an XA2 for 24p and bitstream lossless (pending fw update). I was planning on getting a PS3 for BR but the bitstream audio and decoding of DTS MA has me a bit bummed.

I have the Samsung on pre-order. Will I be sorry if I get rid of the XA2 (un-opened) and forgo the PS3 for the 5000?


Where did you pre order ?
post #10 of 41
Thread Starter 
Onsale
post #11 of 41
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Originally Posted by Cilent1 View Post

Onsale

Good price.
post #12 of 41
Thread Starter 
Will be even better IF they deliver. ETA first week of Oct.. I'm not holding my breath .
post #13 of 41
I am thinking of selling my PS3 and HD A2 for the Samsung just as you.
post #14 of 41
I plan to sell my HD-A1 (too slow) and PS3 (too noisy) for the Sammy 5000. Also it will be nice not to have to worry about which player to use for playing a disc--just put the damn thing in and go.
post #15 of 41
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Originally Posted by FLBoy View Post

I plan to sell my HD-A1 (too slow) and PS3 (too noisy) for the Sammy 5000. Also it will be nice not to have to worry about which player to use for playing a disc--just put the damn thing in and go.

Totally Agree!!!
post #16 of 41
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Originally Posted by FLBoy View Post

I plan to sell my HD-A1 (too slow) and PS3 (too noisy) for the Sammy 5000. Also it will be nice not to have to worry about which player to use for playing a disc--just put the damn thing in and go.

Sums it up nicely!
post #17 of 41
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Originally Posted by Vader424242 View Post

As long as you are not using analog for the audio, you should be fine going with the Sammy.

What's wrong with the analogue outputs?
post #18 of 41
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What's wrong with the analogue outputs?

If the 1400 is any indication (and every previous Samsung BR player), it will not have speaker distance settings, and the crossover is fixed at 100Hz. So, unless your speakers are all equidistant, the analogs are pretty much useless...
post #19 of 41
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Originally Posted by tyree91 View Post

What's wrong with the analogue outputs?

Nothing, especially if your receiver allows you to adjust speaker distances like mine does.
post #20 of 41
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if your receiver allows you to adjust speaker distances

True, if your receiver allows for processing on the analog inputs, where most only allow for speaker trim settings over analog. Only a few have the capability of re-digitizing the analog input to do any processing. Otherwise, unless your setup is such that all speakers are the same distance from your listening position, the Sammy is severaly crippled in this regard. That's not to mention the fixed crossover. Depending on what other speakers you have, a variable crossover is essential to blending your sub in with the rest of your system (also, most AVRs do not allow for any bass management over analog). For most, 100Hz is on the high side, leading to the possibility of a "hole" in the 80-110Hz region (depending on the roll-off of the Sammy, of which I have no idea - either 12dB/octave or 24 dB/octave).

The short of it is, do not assume the bass management/crossover settings in your AVR extend from SPDIF to analog, because most don't. If you are lucky enough to have one that does, I'm jealous...
post #21 of 41
If my Arcam AVR350 has speaker distance settings and bass crossover settings then I should be ok right? This is how I run multi-channel SACD and DVD-audio. Unfortunatly, it does not support HDMI audio.
post #22 of 41
From the Arcam AVR350 user manual (page 7):

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The AVR350 switches these analogue inputs directly to the analogue outputs via its own volume control circuit. This direct path maintains the best possible sound quality for DVD-A and SACD sources; it has the side-effect that there is no Bass-management for DVD-A or SACD players. In this case, the bass-management functionality of the player itself should be used.

So, when using the analog connection, you are limited to the processing done by the player, and the only control the 350 allows is speaker trim (used when balancing individual channel levels). All BM functions, inlcuding crossover, and the speaker distance settings (for delay) must be handled by the Sammy...
post #23 of 41
Damn. But thanks for the info. I currently use a Denon 2910 for dvd/sacd/dvd-audio and it has speaker distance settings and bass management. So, the Samsung will not have this? I have been really looking forward to this player, now I do not know what to do? I am crushed...
post #24 of 41
and we are sure the Samsung will not provide this feature? My Denon 2910 was less than this player, and it features it.
post #25 of 41
We will only be sure when the 5000 final specs are announced (or someone gets one to confirm). However, none of the previous Sammys have had them, and even the current 1400 is crippled in this regard. In an early hands-on review done by Gary Merson, he states that there are no speaker distance settings, and there might be additional options for the sub (which might include a variable crossover), but the option in his pre-release review unit was glitched. So, yes, there is hope for at least some of it...

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Answers

Its glossy on the front, top and sides like a Drakes " Ring Ding" (for those of you in Drakes Cakes territory.

From a Samsung spokeperson "After the firmware upgrade, the player will support both HDMI and analog output for not only Dolby TrueHD, but also DD+, dts-HD HR and MA."

The choices for speaker management are off/small/large and there appears to be options for the .1 subwoofer, but they were glitched on the pre-production sample.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...6&postcount=21
post #26 of 41
From your comments, (and those of most everyone in the Dual Format Forum) it appears as if your only use for the PS3 is as a Blu-Ray player.
If that is the case then the Sammy 5000 is a no brainer.
The PS3 is able to provide many other entertainment options btu if you don't use or need them the 5000 will be a much better option for you.

E.
post #27 of 41
I am totally devasted by this news. I have been waiting and waiting for this dual player. This sucks. It makes no sense to me why they would not include this? Thanks for the info though, I am glad I found out before I bought it. I dont know what I am going to do now. This format war sucks!
post #28 of 41
2 is better than 1. If your 5000 is down you cant play either.
post #29 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by EHughes View Post

From your comments, (and those of most everyone in the Dual Format Forum) it appears as if your only use for the PS3 is as a Blu-Ray player.
If that is the case then the Sammy 5000 is a no brainer.
The PS3 is able to provide many other entertainment options btu if you don't use or need them the 5000 will be a much better option for you.

Good point E. I am a gamer so I realize the PS3 has more than just BR playback to offer. My 360 handles the bulk of my gaming software and the PS3 would mainly run BR for the most part. Even if I stay the 5000 route, I eventually will get a PS3 on the cheap for the few gaming titles they have I want to play (need to hear that RFM in discreet 7.1 ) .

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Originally Posted by kulims View Post

2 is better than 1. If your 5000 is down you cant play either.

I can always break out my trusty 360 add-on for backup .

To be honest, I know nothing is free. I believe SOMETHING had to be cut or paired down to fit two formats into such a small form factor. I mean, the XA2 is built like a tank, it friggin feels like it has large heat sinks on it or something. Plus you got that Big Ass PS3. You squeeze'em together and BAM, we give you the 5000 at less than 4" tall and 16.9" wide? NICE... I think.

I guess that's the reason for the omission of any tuning controls or analog audio setup options (although from reading it seems Sammy has never offered this?).

Hell as long as it'll give me a pure uncorrupted feed from the disc (WHICHEVER format I put in) at 24p I'll be happy. Unfortunately this seems to be easier said than done .
post #30 of 41
Depends how long you want to wait,
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