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Sony XBR5 vs. Samsung 81 series LCD???

post #1 of 8
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I pre-ordered a Sony XBR5 52" a month or so ago...and now that it's getting close to being shipped...10/22 I think. Anyway, as the order has not shipped, I can still switch to another unit.

So, should I consider the Samsung LN-T5281F? I originally choose the Sony because I felt it provided a better picture when watching "standard" resolution show. Most of the LCD looked pretty good when watch HD, but when I got the salesmen to switch to regular programming...the picture quality really suffered.

With that being said, I haven't found the time to search out the Samsung 81 series to compare...but the excitement surrounding the new Samsung has peaked my interest.

So here's the question...not considering price, which unit is the KING of 52" LCD's?
post #2 of 8
The Samsung. In my opinion. I've been looking for awhile. I went back to Best Buy last night and had never seen the Samsung before then. I was very interested in the Pioneer 5010 full 1080p plasma (which was not on display). And I'm telling you the Samsung is riveting. I found myself not believing I was watching an LCD. The advantages are very evident to me. I just wish they were not so expensive.

And I like Sony, as well -- big fan of their XBR. Next -- oddly enough -- they had a Toshiba that looked really good. I was surprised because I had been reading so many bad stories on Toshiba's color woes.

But if I counted the number of times I went back to a specific set and sat down in front of it -- that darned Samsung LED LCD was the winner. My biggest concern on the Plasmas is glare. And they look very dim and greyish to me. No real sharp whites. I've grown used to that with my Sharp Aquos 37". Yes, they do great blacks, but everything looks dark to me -- except when the room, itself, is really dark. I notice it particularly when the screen shows a light or white background.

The thing I hate (maybe love) is I thought I only had two real choices when I move up to a 50" or so set. Now I have three -- LCD, LED LCD and Plasma. Of the three, the Samsung resolved every concern I had with the Plasma vs LCD debate in my mind.

If it helps, Consumer Reports has a cover feature on HDTVs this month -- the LED Samsung is not in there, however. They put a Samsung in the top spot for LCDs, followed by the Sony. Although, they did not test too many 50" models.
post #3 of 8
My opinion is the same as Guy's and the 81 series hooked up to a quality blu-ray player is something to see. But I also believe LED LCD is the future of LCD but needs to mature. Next year all the TV makers will have one out and you'll see it mature. If you have to buy a TV right now get the XBR. Or wait awhile for LED. Just my opinion and also I've never been the early adopter type.
post #4 of 8
my advice would be to cancel the order and pick up a 1080p pany or pio plasma. you'll have deeper blacks, smoother motion, better viewing angles, and better SD.

LCD tech just isn't where it's at right now. see the post below on the HDguru tests.
post #5 of 8
I said this in another thread, but I was shocked at the Samsung glare problem when I saw it set up in a sunlit area of the store. It's shiny screen made it worse than any plasma. The black frame added to the whole glare factor. I have a small Samsung I like but it has a matte finish--apparently they switched to the shiny screen to make blacks look better. It sucks!
post #6 of 8
Glare is definitely an issue, depending on your viewing situation. Without it, the picture was amazing, to me, on the 81. In the BB stores, they have them positioned in such a way that I haven't seen the glare. Granted, this is in a darkened Magnolia viewing area (but not in their Studios, which they keep very dark).

I was thinking just yesterday -- all those decades of watching a CRT TV, and nobody EVER mentioned glare from those glass-covered sets. I guess people only notice it once we increase to a flat 37" or larger screen? Fortunately, to some extent, glare can be defeated. Greyish White cannot -- Plasmas hurt me there and I'm trying to figure out how to beat that.

But a huge winner, for me, was the viewing angle. One BB store had the 81 on a revolving mount (which I noticed carefully avoided any position that reflected anything) -- and the viewing angle as it rotated was incredible. That eliminates one of the big pitfalls of LCD -- guests sitting off to the side don't see as crisp a picture.

I have yet to see a Plasma that does not have glare -- or, worse yet, a greyish white. That dull white really bothers me more. I do read all the arguments between the Plasma fans vs LCD, but then I try to close my eyes in the stores and avoid looking at the brand names. When I open my eyes I scan across the wall to see which images look best. The past two weeks, I'm surprised to say that two stand out almost every time -- the 81 and the Toshiba Regza. Both are LCDs. The greyish cast on Plasmas affects every color tone for my eyes. I know I'm not testing these units scientifically -- I'm just reacting to what I see. I don't understand the descriptions that Plasma creates a more natural picture. How so? Does everyone live in haze-filled inner-cities? I would certainly love to see an ISF-adjusted set to see if that eliminates the grey haze from any Plasma. I have yet to read anything that explains just why Plasmas have this grey character to them. It just seems to be an accepted thing.

Having said that, there are quite a few nice sets out there. It is getting increasingly harder to state, emphatically, that this-or-that set blows away the competition. They have to REALLY stand out, now, to see the differences. One clear point, with me, is that the Samsung 81 is the very first HDTV showing a Blu-Ray image that has me actually considering buying a $500 Blu-Ray player (or any HD DVD unit) just to go along with it. That really surprised me! Heck, I'm searching for Lord of the Rings on Blu-Ray, now, in the hopes of settling down Christmas Eve with a big bowl of popcorn and watching it on a new 81 -- but it isn't out in Blu-Ray, as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'm addicted to a clean white, now. But even text on the LCD screens of the Toshiba and 81 looks better. I'm starting to follow the thinking of a few of the Members here that the deepest black is not the end-all it's cracked up to be. A set can have incredible blacks, but if the white looks grey -- what's the point? The clips they were playing made the women look like they had on grey pantaloons when viewed on the Plasmas. Plasmas -- and I'm trying really hard to like them -- look like they have a layer of grey film over them.

I still agree with Consumer Reports that the Panasonic plasmas offer a great value, but, possibly, only because I cannot find the Pioneer 5010FD on display. As a Purchasing Agent for a large graphics house, I have to do a lot of research into High-Def display units and get a lot of requests from associates on what HDTV to buy. I've usually recommended the Panasonic plasmas -- and those that have bought them still tell me two years later that they are very pleased.

After looking for two solid weeks, I still cannot find a Pioneer 5010FD actually on a wall and running. BB says they have them on display, but they can't find a store in the Washington, DC area that actually does. One Sales Rep said they have too many 720p sets remaining to display these. It won't happen, supposedly, until the beginning of November, although they have 150 in their warehouse. Makes no sense. Put the 5010FD on the wall -- then discount the 720p sets if you feel they'll suddenly stop selling.

Getting back to the original question -- Sony vs the Samsung -- the Sony had one of the most-natural images I had seen on LCD when you place it next to other LCDs in the store. The subtlety of color rendition, I think, is quite good. Flesh tones, in particular. But I gravitate to the Samsung 81 every time I see it. If I was concerned about glare, I'd choose the Sony between these two sets. If I wanted the best resolution and viewing angle, I'd choose the Samsung. If I plan on watching Blu-Ray or HD DVD -- Samsung.
post #7 of 8
Hi,

I agree with much of what you say and find your comments interesting since I'm betwixt and between several TVs.

With Sammy, it wasn't just the unbelievable glare problem I saw in the store. It was also the motion blur. If you are close to the set, there is a lot of judder during action as opposed to Sony, Panny or Pio.

I have a small matte-screened Sammy that I love. Samsung gets great reviews. It was going to be my next TV, but the glare problem with the motion blur are important issues for me. Sammys have a small PIP, which is a nice something the others don't have (except Pio with it's PSP). If a person is not going to sit too close and doesn't have too much artificial/bright lighting on the TV, then Sammy does have a great pic.

I feel the way you do about the plasmas being very dark. I like the lightness of the LCD's. However, when the Pio and Panny were set up in decent lighting conditions, they had outstanding, finely detailed pictures and the glare problem was much less than Sammy. I have great eyesight so every little blur shoots out at me and annoys me.

Though I still like the overpriced Sony and the few frills Panny, I am leaning towards Pio.

I am confused about what to buy.
post #8 of 8
I just read on a consumer reports user review that the PIP is useless, but the user loved the set.

Consumer reports just came out with their dated and useless reviews. They put the 4661 first, then the Sony s3000.
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