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post #121 of 613
And I think it is cool that the Masquerade may have cost more than your PJ. I believe the days are coming sooner then we think when the majority of home theater owners will add a screen/masking system into the cost with their PJ decisions. After having mine now set up for just over 24 hours I honestly don't think I could go back!
post #122 of 613
Wow again was what I heard when we started POTC: 3 At World's End tonite. My neighbor said the theater screen looked very commercial like. Whatever that is supposed to mean? Anyway, I started the movie and as the 2.35:1 aspect ratio went into effect I then hit the 2.35:1 on the remote and everyone's jaw dropped.
It reminded me of the first time I had a movie night and at the end when the credits rolled I had my remote lights come on half way (for effect) which added that real theater-like feeling. Same here.

As I posted before I can't go back... Once you go black... Anyway, you get my point!
post #123 of 613
I have had the "Masquerade" 102" setup for a little over a month now, and thought I could stop enjoying it for a moment to post a comment. I have made several home theater changes this year but, while I’m happy with all these upgrades I would say the best upgrade was the screen change.

Infocus 7210 to JVC RS1
Snell to Paradigm S4’s
Stewart Grayhawk to Masquerade

The Masquerade is amazing, now every time I switch from HDTV to any aspect the picture frame is amazing. Also, I think it improves the perceived contrast opposed to having black bars. The picture jumps off the screen when viewing all formats now.

One thing mentioned in a prior post was the jogging, and I agree a smaller jog adjustment would be nice to fine tune, but I would not let that keep me from this upgrade. The jog adjustment always seems very close and I don’t miss the ½” or so.

Lastly, my only real complaint about the system is that it wasn’t available sooner. I would be kicking myself if I had just got it and it had been out for a long time.

Very happy customer
Thanks Carada
post #124 of 613
I am looking forward to getting my Wife's family's opinions sine they are all due in today.
I know for the little ones we are planning Ratatouille blu ray then A Christmas Story and Polar Express HD DVD. Adults, who knows. I will let them vote but I was already asked if I could do Transformers... If that is it the HD DVD kicks butt with picture and sound. So maybe that one and a newer recent release. Either way I am looking forward to seeing their reactions to the Masquerade. Should be a fun couple of days...
post #125 of 613
Well my opinion on the jog feature has now changed. I thought that it was only continuous and slight adjustments were hard to make. But now you say that adjustments can be made in 1/2 inch increments....thats great!! Especially if macros would work with this to get other aspect ratios.

Im going to work on my wife immediately to approve the purchase!! haha. Im going to show her these reviews. Im definitely sold on it.

Thanks to everyone who has reviewed the system. It really aids in the decision making.
post #126 of 613
My Wife loves it! Which is a shocker because she really does not get into any of my electronic habits (as she calls them). We were starting to watch a movie last night and she instantly reminded me to use the black drapes. I was going to but it cracked me up that she was all over it. I gave her the remote and she really liked removing the gray bars herself. She thinkis it is the coolest purchase I have made in a long time.
post #127 of 613
So far so good. All of the relatives think it is really cool when I "adjust" the screen. They are taking turns (changing the aspect ratio with the remote) when we watch movies!
post #128 of 613
do you guys know if carada makes sizes other than what is listed on the website? I have a 120" diag stewart screenwall deluxe and i dont see a 120" option.

i need to directly contact them but was wondering if any of you got a custom size from them?
post #129 of 613
Carada will do custom sized/shaped screens for you. No worries.
post #130 of 613
Can you take pictures of a 2.35:1 movie with and without the mask deployed? I don't have my system yet and I'm curious to see the difference. I know you can't take a picture to show the awesomeness of your screen changing sizes at the push of a button, though .
post #131 of 613
I doubt a picture could show the effect it has like being in person...
post #132 of 613
Now how about a side masking system for a 2.37:1 screen?

Nate
post #133 of 613
David,

Im just putting in another vote for a Carada CIH system.
post #134 of 613
We did The Kingdom lastnight and everyone freaked out when I started the movie then as it began (got thru the Universal screen) applied the masking. I did not tell them I even had the Masquerade system. One of the couples thought my screen was falling! They all thought it was amazing how much better the picture looked to their eyes with the Masquerade doing its job...
post #135 of 613
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Originally Posted by sauroneru View Post

Can you take pictures of a 2.35:1 movie with and without the mask deployed? I don't have my system yet and I'm curious to see the difference. I know you can't take a picture to show the awesomeness of your screen changing sizes at the push of a button, though .

The pictures do not justify the amazing effect of masking. You have to see it in person. Having said that, here are two pictures that I took.
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post #136 of 613
Nice pics! I stand corrected...
post #137 of 613
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Originally Posted by levansoft View Post

The pictures do not justify the amazing effect of masking. You have to see it in person. Having said that, here are two pictures that I took.

Interesting pictures. Thanks.

It would have been best to keep the same exposure, though, for each picture, because as it is the image looks richer on the masked image because of a different exposure.
post #138 of 613
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

It would have been best to keep the same exposure

Yeah I for one do not trust digital camera images at all--there's just too many ways the images can fail to represent what the human eye detects. Not to mention of course this computer display I am viewing them on!

Having said that, I can readily accept that masking has a (great?) impact on perceived image quality. I'm a brand-new FPJ owner experimenting with screen size using a 10' wide piece of gatorfoam, and have been thinking "I don't need no stinking masking!"

But there's so much talk about the impact of proper masking here, including "black velvet works much better than black paint"-type comments, that I must concede my simple gatorfoam screen will not live unchanged forever...
post #139 of 613
Which is why I have always refused to take pics. I even picked up a Canon G9 for my PJ shots but most don't trust them so I figured why bother.

The Carada Masquerade is definitely a HUGE upgrade to anyone's set up. Now that I have had it a couple of weeks I know if I were to take it down I would truly MISS it!
post #140 of 613
I would love to see a masking system/screen that could handle 2:35/2:40 as well as 16:9 - masking both horizontally and vertically.

IE you have your anamorphic lens (1.33 X horizontally) and a really wide screen - but with the lens off, the masking adjusts to maximise 16:9 as well. Best of both worlds.

Obviously, the screen would need to be able to handle the extra width as well as the height too

Does the Masquarade do this?
post #141 of 613
The effect of masking could be more accurately portrayed by taking levansoft's first shot, in which you can see the gray bars, and simply cropping out the picture (cropping out the gray bars) and placing the picture against a black background. That way it's the same image/exposure, the only difference being in one the gray bars are removed, as happens with the Carada masking system. (Of course the effect on a real screen is more significant - when you mask away the gray bars on a projected image this really cool 3D, looking-trough-a-window thing happens, with more image pop too, that is hard to convey until you see it).
post #142 of 613
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Interesting pictures. Thanks.

It would have been best to keep the same exposure, though, for each picture, because as it is the image looks richer on the masked image because of a different exposure.

Sorry that I uploaded the wrong pictures. Here are the two of the pictures that have the same exposure. Both were taken with Tv 1/8 and Av 4.0. I only resized the pictures in PS. I didn't do any adjustment to the contrast or level.

The point I was trying to make was that it is hard to see the gray bar in the picture. We all know how the gray bar looks like on the screen no matter how good your projector is. If the gray bar doesn't bother you at all, maybe you don't need a masking system.

You can do an experiment yourself when you watch a 2.35:1 movie. Try to cover the lower gray bar with a dark colored bed sheet. It doesn't have to be a black sheet and you will see the difference.
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post #143 of 613
Awesome job with the pics! The Masquerade is looking good (when you can see it)...
post #144 of 613
Sory fellas, but the pricing of all these masking systems is just rediculous. Sure the Carada pricing is MUCH better than the competition, but that does not mean it is a good deal. It is only a relatively good deal. I am seriously shocked at the pricing of a motorized masking system.

As impressed as my wife would be with this type of thing, I will tell you what impresses her even more. I can achieve the same effect for a grand total of $20. The only difference between my system and these motorized systems is just that. I have to get up and manualy put the velcroed black velvet from one side of my screen to the other. Takes about 2 minutes. So basicaly I turn everything on, and by the time the HD or BR player is ready to go, the projector is at full light, my mask is up. I would honestly have a hard time enjoying the movie knowing how much I spent so I could push a button from my couch to achieve the same affect.

On top of all this, it only masks 2:35! It cant even do a side mask for 4:3, or do a 1:85 mask, etc.....If I were somebody who would pay this kind of money for a masking system it better be able to mask ANY AR. Unbelievable!

Bottom line....When the lights go out and the movie starts, the affect between the $20 method and these stupidly priced motorized versions is 100% identical, but I can enjoy the movie much more knowing I did not throw money at something that is nearly double the price of my Stewart Luxus Deluxe screen.



Just my opinon, flame on.
post #145 of 613
No flames needed. You get what you pay for.

My Wife and friends are more impressed with being able to push a button from my seat after previews then watching me have to jump up and apply the black velvet. Even if it only costs $20.

And remember, prices are relative... What is expensive to you and "overpriced" may not be to others... Besides, a good home theater set up adds value to one's home...
post #146 of 613
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

No flames needed. You get what you pay for.

My Wife and friends are more impressed with being able to push a button from my seat after previews then watching me have to jump up and apply the black velvet. Even if it only costs $20.

And remember, prices are relative... What is expensive to you and "overpriced" may not be to others... Besides, a good home theater set up adds value to one's home...


I have a phenominal HT setup without a stupidly priced motorized masking system that adds value to my home

Joerod and others who own one of these, glad you enjoy them, but even though I can afford one no problem and do have money to burn, there is no way I am paying nearly 2 times my screen price for something that I can do (and am doing) for $20 and get 100% the same effect. Not to mention I can also mask for 1:85, 4:3, etc.....

I dont watch previews by the way.



This is the most rediculously priced area of HT I have ever seen by far.
post #147 of 613
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Originally Posted by DonnerHead View Post


As impressed as my wife would be with this type of thing, I will tell you what impresses her even more. I can achieve the same effect for a grand total of $20.

And did you know that you could probably also cover your window by plastering it with a copy of the New York Times (or failing that, a bath towel or old blanket)? And if your wife is mostly impressed with price vs aesthetics and convenience, make sure to tell her it'd be cheaper too!

But, for most of us, aesthetics and convenience have their place. Which we understand will cost more. (I use commercially built blinds )


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Originally Posted by DonnerHead View Post

The only difference between my system and these motorized systems is just that. I have to get up and manualy put the velcroed black velvet from one side of my screen to the other.

I've been manually masking my display for years. I can do it quickly too. But it's precisely because of having to mask manually for years that I want to quite having to do that manually. That's why a remote controlled system is so appealing to me. I mean, I could also walk over to my audio receiver and adjust the volume manually. But I'm certainly willing to pay money for a remote control so I can do it from the convenience of the viewing seat.

Same with Constant Image Height systems. You can always just zoom your lens (as I intend to do for now), but most opt to pay thousands for an anamorphic lens especially for the convenience of not having to manually adjust. People are willing to pay for convenience, especially if it's something they do a lot (like watch movies, for some folks).



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Originally Posted by DonnerHead View Post

On top of all this, it only masks 2:35! It cant even do a side mask for 4:3, or do a 1:85 mask, etc.....

Most people don't have constant image height projection systems, so no side masking is needed or desired. Nor do most people watch many movies in 4:3 (and even if they do, it's likely not often enough to be hot and bothered by side bars). With the exception of the old 4:3 AR, the Carada system can be adjusted to mask for the vast majority of film formats.


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Originally Posted by DonnerHead View Post

Bottom line....When the lights go out and the movie starts, the affect between the $20 method and these stupidly priced motorized versions is 100% identical,

Bottom line: whether you drive to work in an old Yugo or a spanking new Ferrari F355, once you're at work what does it matter how you got there?

Oh...that's right...one of those ways would be more enjoyable.

And some people find that worth paying for.

There's always a cheaper way of doing something. But people are not silly or stupid in paying for:

1. Professional Aesthetics.
2. Professional Reliability
3. Convenience.
4. Cool grin-on-your-face-factor.

You can see from the experience of those who own the Masquerade (and from the reports from AV reviewers) how much a factor even #4 is. All reports are that using the Masquerade is grin-inducing "wow" factor - a combination of aesthetics, convenience and coolness. How much would I pay to make the process of masking - something that is in no way fun now and which I have to do every time I change movie ARs - into something that is actually in of itself "cool" and fun?

About the price of a Masquerade system

I can't wait to get one.

Finally, your complaints about the price and Carada not being a 4 way masking system do not factor in how really difficult it is to build a professional, reliable, aesthetic 4 way masking system. And how relatively small the market is (at this point) for them (hence have to charge more...remember your economics). It isn't for nothing that Stewart, who offered one of the very few possible such systems to home users, charged so much for them.

I'm extremely excited that a masking system has come into an affordable range (and it's something I'm willing to spend some money on, just as I have with my other components).

Cheers,
post #148 of 613
The Carada masking screen does 1.78 on down to 2.70 and anything in between using a jog button. I love this screen, but it is not for the person who would rather make their screen or velcro pieces on the wall to save money.
post #149 of 613
Sorry guys I went off on a tangent, but I am shocked by this personaly.

Thanks for the correction that you can step the mask system. Now the only problem is no side mask for 4:3. I still watch a LOT of native 4:3 material in my theater and if I was one who would choose to pay this kind of money for a masking system it sure as hell better mask 4:3 as well.

I will gladly stick with a manual mask system which like I said is 100% identical when the lights go down. It is realy not any harder to get up and apply the mask as opposed to pushing a button from your seat, but there is a HUGE price difference. You guys enjoy.
post #150 of 613
You say that you are "seriously shocked" at the pricing of a motorized masking system, yet you own a fixed frame screen which has no motor, no electronics, and no moving parts whatsoever, but which costs almost as much as a similarly sized Masquerade. You didn't mention what size screen you have, but let's just assume it is a 110" diagonal (very common size). The last time I checked, the price for a 110" diagonal Luxus Deluxe was well over $2,000. So I don't understand your math when you claim that the Masquerade costs "2 times my screen price". In fact if you bought any Stewart Luxus Deluxe screen for half the price of a similarly sized Masquerade masking system, then it sounds like you bought the screen below dealer cost (congrats!)

But I'm not sure why you would expect a complex product like a motorized masking system to cost LESS than a fixed frame screen anyway. If you get a chance to really look at a motorized masking system, I think you might change your mind about the "stupidity" of the pricing. But just for kicks, what do you think the price SHOULD be? Let me guess - twenty bucks, right? In any case, at least you were nice enough to point out that the pricing of the Masquerade is "MUCH better than the competition", so thanks for that!

You also said "If I were somebody who would pay this kind of money for a masking system it better be able to mask ANY AR. Unbelievable!" What's so unbelievable about it? Most of the other screen companies offer two-way horizontal masking systems as well (Stewart's runs about $6K-$8K the last time I checked). We could have offered a full-blown 4-way masking system right off the bat, but if you don't like the price of our 2-way system, you definitely wouldn't be happy with the price of a 4-way system. We felt that a good looking, reliable, easy to install and use, 2-way system at a great price (or at least a "relatively good" price in your opinion) would make the vast majority of home theater enthusiasts VERY happy. Those who want motorized side masking as well will no doubt be willing to spend what they need to spend to get it (at least three times the cost of a 2-way Masquerade). BUT regardless of how much you're willing to spend, I'm glad that you at least are enjoying the benefits of masking anyway.

It sounds like you're simply ranting because you feel that motorized masking isn't worth what it costs (even when it is a "relatively good deal"). And you are certainly entitled to that opinion, although I'm not sure why you felt compelled to come here and use words like "rediculous", "stupidly", and "unbelievable". Masking systems have been around for a long time, and you've had ample opportunity to bash Stewart, Screen Research, Da-Lite, Draper, Vutec, etc. for their "stupid", "rediculous", and "unbelievable" pricing, but for some reason you waited until a "relatively good deal" came along to speak up. Strange timing...

In any case, if it's okay with you we'll keep right on building the Masquerade for the folks that DO want them.

David Giles
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