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post #121 of 330
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Originally Posted by jostenmeat View Post

I have Summits. They are awesome. Some haters for sure here, mostly due to limited sweet spot and compression. Anyways, live recordings are amazing. My better choral works sound like they are in a cathedral, and better jazz recordings sound like I am in a club. I just received about 10 new orchestral recordings in the mail. The stuff sounds fantabulous. The four 10" sealed woofers are all powered each by a 200w ICE amp, just need to amp the panels. You do need space from boundaries, and just need space to breathe in general. However, Im sure all of the speakers you will look at require similar things. Oh yes, people have complained about integration of the hybrid, but the Summits are very nicely done. Top notch CS, as Im sure all these brands must have. Some owners buy aftermarket spikes for a more vertical alignment. Crazy aficionados in general

Best of luck, and keep us posted.

edit: sorry, the msrp has recently gone a bit over 10k. I've seen them used from 5k to 7.5k. I almost got my grubby paws on a pair that sold for 5.2k from the 'gon.

I agree with you, the Summits are among my favorite ~$10,000 speakers out there. If you are able to set them up just right (toe in, rake forward, proper spacing from rear wall) and feed them the electronics they need to fully utilize the panel (considering it dips to 1ohm at 20khz), they are amazing! I think they are among the best I have heard in a small, intimate environment.

Others that I like include the Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor, a used pair of Wilson Sophia, and probably a used pair of BW802D.

If you can get your hands on a used Vandersteen 5A, you will be treated with great and cohesive sound as well.

But my loyalties remain with the ML Summits.

If you can stand the narrow listening spot (meaning: 1 person only) and the picky speaker that it is (positioning, room, and electronics)... it's a speaker that demands the best and is able to perform superbly.

Are there better? Of course.... but at a cost IMO.

PS
I didn't know Deftech was going to be such a hot topic in this thread... yeesh!
post #122 of 330
this is better than the mac vs pc stuff.
post #123 of 330
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If you can stand the narrow listening spot (meaning: 1 person only) and the picky speaker that it is (positioning, room, and electronics)... it's a speaker that demands the best and is able to perform superbly.

Joey_V, you are one of the first pro ML owners that tell it like it is.
post #124 of 330
I haven't seen the Ushers in this thread and imho the Dancer series
is the best value for your money.
They are great full range speakers and beautifull build.
Also Avalon would be recommended. They are expensive but on
the secondhand market you should be able to find some in your
price range.
post #125 of 330
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Originally Posted by scorch123 View Post

Hawk_Eye,
An interesting thread here. I find it hard to believe that the sound from your current setup with Paradigm & Arcam is unenjoyable. I would watch your budget during your upgrade effort.

Studio 60 v3 and Arcam avr-350 setup is good for most of music genre, but when it comes to live music recording and a large orchestra recording, I feel that the reproduced sound does not feel "fully" resolved, thus it sounds flat.
post #126 of 330
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Originally Posted by AudioArchitect View Post

Hawk_Eye. Word of advice use this forum for exposure to brands, but dont rely on it to make a decision for you. Locate some local dealers that you can listen to this stuff. In your price range, there is an insane amount of options, and all of us have different biases and experiences that form our opinions.

Dynaudio Contour S 5.4
Focal Electra 1027Be
Revel F52
Dali Euphonia MS4
B&W 803D
Monitor Audio Platinum PL300
Thiel CS3.7
Aerial Model 9

This list will get you started in your price range. Check out some dealer locators to find dealers in your area. Some of the dealers might even have several of these to compare side by side. If you need my help finding any local dealers in your area, I would be happy to do so.

Thank you A.A. That's a good list IMO. I really love to listen Thiel CS3.7 but no dealers in Toronto carry the product. I love the look of B&W 802D and it has many positive reviews from audio magazines, how do you compare 802D against Thiel CS3.7?
post #127 of 330
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Originally Posted by bluray_1080p View Post

Joey_V, you are one of the first pro ML owners that tell it like it is.

Thanks man!

Lots of speakers for lots of folks... it all depends on your taste, your use, and your bank account.

I truly like my Summits. I'm a single guy (gf, but not married) who lives in an apartment in the city of Chicago, as a student... I dont have a family with me (my parents/brothers are in the 'burbs) with whom I view movies with. These speakers are for me and me alone.... so I enjoy the 1-man sweetspot.

If I was looking for a speaker to entertain more people, I'd probably want something that was a bit more "group friendly". But, I still wont deny that a well-done ML system is just killer at the sweetspot.
post #128 of 330
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Originally Posted by Hawk_Eye View Post

Thank you A.A. That's a good list IMO. I really love to listen Thiel CS3.7 but no dealers in Toronto carry the product. I love the look of B&W 802D and it has many positive reviews from audio magazines, how do you compare 802D against Thiel CS3.7?

I really loved them in their price range. They were a bit boomy though, but that isn't a terrible thing in a big room.
post #129 of 330
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Dynaudio Contour S 5.4
Focal Electra 1027Be
Revel F52
Dali Euphonia MS4
B&W 803D
Monitor Audio Platinum PL300
Thiel CS3.7
Aerial Model 9

Add the Pioneers
post #130 of 330
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Originally Posted by Hawk_Eye View Post

Thank you A.A. That's a good list IMO. I really love to listen Thiel CS3.7 but no dealers in Toronto carry the product. I love the look of B&W 802D and it has many positive reviews from audio magazines, how do you compare 802D against Thiel CS3.7?

The B&W 802 was the first speaker that I auditioned when I was looking in this price range and I like them, they are a good speaker. I strongly prefer the Thiel CS3.7, however although both are good speakers.
post #131 of 330
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Originally Posted by DOMAIN64 View Post

You know all this talk about the speakers and no thought of what amplifiers it will take to drive them sufficiently......u really need to understand that u are going to need to spend at least 2-5k on a quality amp, not to mention preamp/receiver and a quality source....IMO sound comes as a result of all 4 products working together.......so what have you allocated for the entire system? ....you will probably need an additional 7-10k for the entire package to achieve the best sound from your choice of speaker in that range....

The amp is important if the speakers are very low efficiency/low impedance or if they are going to be played very loud. Otherwise pretty much any amp (or receiver) will do nicely.
post #132 of 330
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Originally Posted by JasonColeman View Post

Where are the Def Techs?

J.

I am sure it must have just been an oversight.
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J.
post #134 of 330
Good to see Pulliamm's found a new flavor, and he's just as inexplicably right as ever.
post #135 of 330
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Originally Posted by smb2301 View Post

The B&W 802 was the first speaker that I auditioned when I was looking in this price range and I like them, they are a good speaker. I strongly prefer the Thiel CS3.7, however although both are good speakers.

If you had to list 3 things that Thiel CS3.7 does better than 802D, what are they?
post #136 of 330
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Originally Posted by armystud0911 View Post

Good to see Pulliamm's found a new flavor, and he's just as inexplicably right as ever.

An old flavor, actually. I have had them for more than 7 years.
All my experiments between then and now were failed attempts to find something even better. (Looking back on it, it is obvious that those attempts were doomed to failure because there is nothing better.)
post #137 of 330
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Originally Posted by Hawk_Eye View Post

If you had to list 3 things that Thiel CS3.7 does better than 802D, what are they?

Thats pretty tough lol!

I would say that the bass sounded more accurate/neutral in the CS3.7. I felt the 802d had an artificially boosted mid-upper bass.

Other than that, I liked the midrange of the CS3.7 more than the 802d.

You would have to compare them yourself to get a feel for them.
post #138 of 330
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

because there is nothing better.)

In your opinion, definitely not in mine and in many others here who have actually heard properly set up Def. Techs. Which by the lack of your response from my last post, I would have thought you had finally figured that out, but I guess not.
Oh well, despite all the entertaining bantering back and forth, all that really matters is that you truly enjoy your speakers. So you speak of Def. Tech. speakers as if they are the "Holy Grail", and that everyone should believe it because you say so. No big deal, people with their heads screwed on straight will figure it out for themselves. Whether that becomes their opinion too, or in my case and others the furthest thing from it.
What's the saying about opinions, everyones got one! That's a good thing! And smart people know the difference between that and fact.

MF
post #139 of 330
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Originally Posted by MusicFirst View Post

What's the saying about opinions, everyones got one! That's a good thing! And smart people know the difference between that and fact.

Exactly! That is why I don't bother with "IMO": Smart people know that it is implied. (Conversely, those who complain about its absence are implying that they are not so smart.)
post #140 of 330
are the def tech mythos ST junk too?

i never heard them but they are monopole

silly me, they are def tech and must be junk
post #141 of 330
going back to my original point, i don't think people would be giving PULLIAMM such a hard time if it wasn't def tech that he's posting about

when he liked b&w, he was "in the club"

he did sell his b&w's and keep his def techs. for somebody with 6,500 posts, that tells me a lot about his passion for this hobby. i don't know how someone with that much passion could ever part with something better
post #142 of 330
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

Exactly! That is why I don't bother with "IMO": Smart people know that it is implied. (Conversely, those who complain about its absence are implying that they are not so smart.)

Nope, you don't need to post IMO in every post, there are ways of eluding to it in posting style that are not arrogant and childish. People who are not smart enough to post in a more neutral style are the ones who need to check their IQ and specifically, their level of etiquette, and just plain treating people how you would like to be treated. The reason I have been posting things like opinion so much with you is to make a point!
Example: Saying I have not heard anything better than the BP7000sc speakers, is a lot different then saying the BP7000sc's are the best speakers anywhere near their price. There was no need to saying IMO or anything else.

Then again, from all the other posts I have read from you regarding this, it is quite apparent you don't get it and maybe never will. I guess that the many people that have called you on it are wrong, and you are right. Ever think it's odd you don't really have many supporters backing your opinion (otk and that is about it). Smart people can usually tend to figure these things out!

Btw otk: there were many posts calling him out on this same exact type of thing when he backed B&W, go back and search all the posts, they are easy to find.

Stand up (and smart) people can usually look at things from more than just one point of view. Not once have I ever seen a post of yours saying I can understand why people may not like the Bi-Polar Def. Techs. And maybe that is because you truly can't, which really says more about your level of understanding than it does anyones else's. I could go further, but I can see it would be a waste.

Some people actually wake up and want to learn something new every day, others think they know everything already, for the latter it is they who might want to check their level of intelligence.

Enough said. Have a good day, and I truly hope you enjoy your Bi-Polar Def. Techs.!

MF
post #143 of 330
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

going back to my original point, i don't think people would be giving PULLIAMM such a hard time if it wasn't def tech that he's posting about

when he liked b&w, he was "in the club"

he did sell his b&w's and keep his def techs. for somebody with 6,500 posts, that tells me a lot about his passion for this hobby. i don't know how someone with that much passion could ever part with something better

Yeah, B&Ws get more respect than they deserve while Def Techs get less. My B&Ws cost 50% more than my DTs, were not better in any way, and were not as good in some ways. This implies that they are not a good value. (I would call the 705s an excellent $600 pair of speakers.)
post #144 of 330
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Originally Posted by otk View Post

going back to my original point, i don't think people would be giving PULLIAMM such a hard time if it wasn't def tech that he's posting about

when he liked b&w, he was "in the club"

he did sell his b&w's and keep his def techs. for somebody with 6,500 posts, that tells me a lot about his passion for this hobby. i don't know how someone with that much passion could ever part with something better

Not true at all...

In regards to your first paragraph, I certainly gave him as hard of a time then as I always have. I didn't know he had gotten rid of them permanently until you made the above post...

As far as the last paragraph, 6500 posts can mean many things, not necessarily passion. The words lonely, desperate, and obsessive/compulsive come to mind when I consider other potential things it could mean.
post #145 of 330
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Originally Posted by MusicFirst View Post

I guess that the many people that have called you on it are wrong, and you are right.

I am glad that you have finally figured that out.
post #146 of 330
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Originally Posted by PULLIAMM View Post

I am glad that you have finally figured that out.

You are truly sad! Funny thing is it makes me laugh someone could be so completely ignorant.
post #147 of 330
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Originally Posted by MusicFirst View Post

Nope, you don't need to post IMO in every post, there are ways of eluding to it in posting style that are not arrogant and childish. People who are not smart enough to post in a more neutral style are the ones who need to check their IQ and specifically, their level of etiquette, and just plain treating people how you would like to be treated. The reason I have been posting things like opinion so much with you is to make a point!
Example: Saying I have not heard anything better than the BP7000sc speakers, is a lot different then saying the BP7000sc's are the best speakers anywhere near their price. There was no need to saying IMO or anything else.

Then again, from all the other posts I have read from you regarding this, it is quite apparent you don't get it and maybe never will. I guess that the many people that have called you on it are wrong, and you are right. Ever think it's odd you don't really have many supporters backing your opinion (otk and that is about it). Smart people can usually tend to figure these things out!

Btw otk: there were many posts calling him out on this same exact type of thing when he backed B&W, go back and search all the posts, they are easy to find.

Stand up (and smart) people can usually look at things from more than just one point of view. Not once have I ever seen a post of yours saying I can understand why people may not like the Bi-Polar Def. Techs. And maybe that is because you truly can't, which really says more about your level of understanding than it does anyones else's. I could go further, but I can see it would be a waste.

Some people actually wake up and want to learn something new every day, others think they know everything already, for the latter it is they who might want to check their level of intelligence.

Enough said. Have a good day, and I truly hope you enjoy your Bi-Polar Def. Techs.!

MF

i can fully understand people not liking any brand or type of speaker but you have to admit, there is a grossly unfair jihad type attack against def tech on this site. i would bet that most people who bash them haven't even heard them, i can't prove that but i have a hunch

the def tech bashing at this site is only 2nd to the bose bashing

i would never dream of going into a b&w thread and talking **** about what they like but people feel free to come into the def tech thread with their trash talking

i'm the first person to say, go out and listen for yourself and trust your own ears but at least go listen

getting back to PULLIAMM , i think people like to play semantics with his words because they don't like his opinions. people are smart enough to decipher fact from opinion but whenever PULLIAMM posts, people jump all over him "well you liked this last week and this last month" so what?

i used to hate onions as a kid but now i love them. 10 years ago i loved sushi but now i'm sick of it, so what?

i also like PSB's top of the line speakers and it was in my first post of this thread

go listen, listen and enjoy and save the hate for your therapist
post #148 of 330
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Originally Posted by QueueCumber View Post


As far as the last paragraph, 6500 posts can mean many things, not necessarily passion. The words lonely, desperate, and obsessive/compulsive come to mind when I consider other potential things it could mean.

oh there are people here with way more posts than PULLIAMM, are you sure you want to stick with that?
post #149 of 330
otk.....

I have learned to read pulliam's posts and laugh. I honestly think they are ridiculous for the most part. That comes from reading his posts for the last year or so.

While you are defending his posts, I hope you realize it is a two-way street, and actually read pulliam's responses to other's opinions.
post #150 of 330
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

otk.....

I have learned to read pulliam's posts and laugh. I honestly think they are ridiculous for the most part. That comes from reading his posts for the last year or so.

While you are defending his posts, I hope you realize it is a two-way street, and actually read pulliam's responses to other's opinions.

i have had run-ins with him in the past but now that's he's in the def tech camp, posts against him seem to have ramped up a notch

maybe it's just me
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