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post #1291 of 1416
7/8/12 at 6:42pm
If I had a bunch of money I wouldn't buy either...your YMMV.
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

If I had a bunch of money and nothing to do with it, I would have all Paradigms in my system. But since the Millenium One surrounds cost twice what the M2s cost, I decided to save the extra throusand dollars and use it to pay for a little over half my projector instead. smile.gif


just saying...wink.gif.
Edited by Billy p - 7/9/12 at 11:09am
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post #1292 of 1416
7/9/12 at 6:33am
LOL True - but if I had a moderate amount. smile.gif
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post #1293 of 1416
7/9/12 at 11:07am
Understandable.

After the profit from selling my QS8's and the discount from my salesman, I'm only paying $300 out of pocket for the upgrade so it's perfectly acceptable to me smile.gif
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post #1294 of 1416
7/9/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Understandable.
After the profit from selling my QS8's and the discount from my salesman, I'm only paying $300 out of pocket for the upgrade so it's perfectly acceptable to me smile.gif

You made a profit from selling the Q8's....I'll be looking to swap out my Q4's at some point with something that is better voiced to my fronts. Untill then they'll have to do...smile.gif
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post #1295 of 1416
7/9/12 at 11:44am
Not a profit compared to what I originally bought them at, just meant as a profit earned towards the Paradigm's I'm getting.

Again, not slamming the QS8's at all. Loved them. Just finally have the opportunity to round out my entire system with Paradigm speakers for once.
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post #1296 of 1416
7/12/12 at 7:29pm
I was pretty much almost at the M80v3 price with my custom M60v3's so I decided to get the M80v3's with die-cast baskets, dual binding posts and black spikes. Should be able to get louder since they are 4ohm. Can't wait. Maybe my ZA5.5tt, ZA5.3t, and ZA5.3c will become my rear section and the M80v3's and VP180 will be my LCR.
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post #1297 of 1416
7/15/12 at 1:34am
This has probably been asked a thousand times, but I'll go for it anyway: Is there any reason to buy the M2's over the M3's?. The $40 price difference is minuscule.

Also, are Axiom considered good movie only speakers? I wont ever be listening to music on them (headphone junkie)
Edited by eric.exe - 7/15/12 at 1:42am
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post #1298 of 1416
7/15/12 at 3:13am
Why would you buy M2's over M3's? With the 6.5 inch driver you'll get better lower freq extension, and the M3's are more efficient then the M2's.

Also Axiom is mostly HT oriented so I would say yes, they are good movie only speakers. They'll do anything you want them to do.
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

This has probably been asked a thousand times, but I'll go for it anyway: Is there any reason to buy the M2's over the M3's?. The $40 price difference is minuscule.

Also, are Axiom considered good movie only speakers? I wont ever be listening to music on them (headphone junkie)
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post #1299 of 1416
7/15/12 at 6:47am
The main reason to buy M2s over M3s is if you have a space limitation...the M3s are bigger. That was my reason to buy some of my M2s instead of M3s. I own both models and I can say the M3s are FAR superior to the M2s. So much so that I am going to be replacing one of my sets of M2s with a set of M3s and using the M2s to replace a set of M0s I have. I am using the On Wall version.

I do not listen to music on them, but the surround sound in a movie comes out crisp and clean. I disconnected my front three speakers and tested the surrounds while playing Transformers Dark of the Moon and I could clearly hear shell casings tinking onto the ground from a gatlin gun (which normally would have been overpowered by the rest of the gun if the front three were installed). It was amazing clear.

The M0s do work - but unless you have a VERY small space to put them in, they are more or less useless. They add a little (using them for front heights), but using the M2 or M3 would be much better.
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post #1300 of 1416
7/15/12 at 8:09am
The M3's have a bump in the midrange(meant to say mid bass redface.gif) which seemingly make them sound better or louder. The M2 and M22 are voiced similar and have a flatter respose making them sound a lot more natural....which some...like myself prefer.....YMMV though.

Regards, Bill

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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

This has probably been asked a thousand times, but I'll go for it anyway: Is there any reason to buy the M2's over the M3's?. The $40 price difference is minuscule.
Also, are Axiom considered good movie only speakers? I wont ever be listening to music on them (headphone junkie)

Edited by Billy p - 7/15/12 at 8:55pm
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post #1301 of 1416
7/15/12 at 8:36am
The M3 is 2 inches higher, 1 inch wider, and 1/4 inch smaller in depth. That isn't exactly a blockbuster difference for most people. Now the in-wall version I can see being more concious of the size, especially if you are replacing a speaker of the same dimentions. The M0's being on wall, again unless you have space restrictions because of near by objects or wife imposed aesthetic limits biggrin.giffrown.gif there is more difference between the 3 inch, 5.25 inch, and 6.5 version, but not too bad..


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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

The main reason to buy M2s over M3s is if you have a space limitation...the M3s are bigger. That was my reason to buy some of my M2s instead of M3s. I own both models and I can say the M3s are FAR superior to the M2s. So much so that I am going to be replacing one of my sets of M2s with a set of M3s and using the M2s to replace a set of M0s I have. I am using the On Wall version.

I do not listen to music on them, but the surround sound in a movie comes out crisp and clean. I disconnected my front three speakers and tested the surrounds while playing Transformers Dark of the Moon and I could clearly hear shell casings tinking onto the ground from a gatlin gun (which normally would have been overpowered by the rest of the gun if the front three were installed). It was amazing clear.

The M0s do work - but unless you have a VERY small space to put them in, they are more or less useless. They add a little (using them for front heights), but using the M2 or M3 would be much better.

Edited by YearZer0 - 7/15/12 at 9:00am
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post #1302 of 1416
7/15/12 at 2:29pm
Here is my limitation...the M2's will stick down by about 1/2 inch, which Is quite acceptable. At least according to the home improvement management department (aka, wife).

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post #1303 of 1416
7/16/12 at 12:06am
You using them as 'height' speakers?
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post #1304 of 1416
7/16/12 at 5:48am
Front Heights. If you look above the screen, on the soffit, you will see two M0 speakers. These are the front height speakers. They are used with either Audyssey DSX or DTS Neo:X to create a more full front sound stage.
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post #1305 of 1416
8/11/12 at 7:40am
I have come to the conclusion the M0 speakers are only good for small areas and I need to replace them. I think I will get M3 wall mounts to replace the two M2's on the side and put the M2s where the M0s currently reside.
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post #1306 of 1416
8/20/12 at 6:57am
I'm looking for in-ceiling right/left surround speakers. Axiom recommended installing their M2 in-wall speakers in the ceiling. I wish they had speakers where the grill was flush with the ceiling. I'm not sure I'd like both a speaker frame and grill protrude from my ceiling. I haven't seen any pictures of an installation like this.

Has anyone here used Axiom in-wall speakers in their ceiling?

Alternatively to using all Axiom, what flush mount in-ceiling right/left surround speakers would be a good match to Axiom M22 & VP150 for LCR?
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post #1307 of 1416
8/20/12 at 7:50am
Paradigms match up nicely with Axioms, and I am using both together (Paradigm for my front three and subwoofer, Axiom for all my surrounds). You can find in ceiling Paradigm's here:

http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/in-wall-in-ceiling

Depending on your needs, the SIG-1.5R-30 v.3 has the speakers sitting at a 30% angle in the hole so the sound is angled towards the sitting position instead of firing directly downwards. The hole you need in the ceiling is much bigger, though. They are also not completely flush, as the grill itself sits on the ceiling, but that is so it covers the hole you made for the speaker. Take note that Paradigm is MUCH more expensive than Axiom (which is why I used Axiom for my surrounds). The direct downward firing speakers are $400 - $500 each depending on the model, and the 30 degree firing onee are over $600 each.

Here is a picture of them in the ceiling:
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Here is a picture of the Axiom M2s sitting in a wall, for comparison sake. It definately does stick out more:

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post #1308 of 1416
8/20/12 at 8:18am
Do the Paradigms have sealed enclosures? I have bedrooms above to which I want to minimize noise.

The Paradigm flush mounts appear flush enough for me.
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post #1309 of 1416
8/20/12 at 9:32am
No, they do not (which is another reason I like the Axioms). They have a backer box you can buy, but it is expensive.

I would create a thread in the speakers forum to ask for replacement suggestions. I only know about these two companies, but there are many others out there. I am sure you will get a lot of good advice from people on other speakers to use. smile.gif
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post #1310 of 1416
8/26/12 at 11:30am
Are the die-cast woofer baskets worth the small upgrade over the heavy-duty stamped steel woofer baskets? What are the benefits? I couldn't find any information on this.
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post #1311 of 1416
8/27/12 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by vivatech View Post

Are the die-cast woofer baskets worth the small upgrade over the heavy-duty stamped steel woofer baskets? What are the benefits? I couldn't find any information on this.

Sound quality wise the cast baskets don't offer and improvement in sound according to those that have heard them (axiom speakers). I think the driver tech that Axiom uses doesn't benefit from cast basket like some other woofers. They are fairly small compact and don't have the high xmax excursion of some woofers like Arx 5.25" xbl woofers and Ascend Sierra 5.25" woofers. Both have high excursion and higher motor force compared to basic woofers like Axiom and some others. Cast baskets are also non magnetic and have tigher tolerances which allows for more precise alignment of all the motor assembly components, cast baskets also benefit from better cooling performance.

I had Axiom speakers for along time and I didn't see a reason to spend the extra on a cast basket. Like I said earlier some woofers see a benefit while others won't.
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post #1312 of 1416
8/28/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by gtpsuper24 View Post

Sound quality wise the cast baskets don't offer and improvement in sound according to those that have heard them (axiom speakers). I think the driver tech that Axiom uses doesn't benefit from cast basket like some other woofers. They are fairly small compact and don't have the high xmax excursion of some woofers like Arx 5.25" xbl woofers and Ascend Sierra 5.25" woofers. Both have high excursion and higher motor force compared to basic woofers like Axiom and some others. Cast baskets are also non magnetic and have tigher tolerances which allows for more precise alignment of all the motor assembly components, cast baskets also benefit from better cooling performance.
I had Axiom speakers for along time and I didn't see a reason to spend the extra on a cast basket. Like I said earlier some woofers see a benefit while others won't.

Thanks for the real-world experience, gtp! I had separately asked Axiom the same question- very odd they don't mention anything about this on their website. This is how Brent at Axiom just responded this morning:

"The cast basket is more rigid that lessens any chance of resonance. It also has less chance of warping at excessive outputs or when tightening to the cabinet. Acoustically, there is no dofference in performance between either a die casr driver or a stamped driver."

$15/set is not that much extra money for the die-cast upgrade, but it sure sounds like it's not even really worth it.
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post #1313 of 1416
9/27/12 at 7:12pm
Does anyone here use QS4/8 as surround with Energy RC fronts? I have RC-30/RC-LCR/ESW-V8 sub, need surround to complete 5.1 setup.
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post #1314 of 1416
9/27/12 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 View Post

Does anyone here use QS4/8 as surround with Energy RC fronts? I have RC-30/RC-LCR/ESW-V8 sub, need surround to complete 5.1 setup.

I had that exact set up front with the Q4's...they worked very well together moreso for movies than music. AAMOF... I'm still using them with my current speakers(Ascend Sierra Towers) but will endeavour go with Ascends for surround duties because of the voicing differences between the 2 brands.
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post #1315 of 1416
10/1/12 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Billy p View Post

I had that exact set up front with the Q4's...they worked very well together moreso for movies than music. AAMOF... I'm still using them with my current speakers(Ascend Sierra Towers) but will endeavour go with Ascends for surround duties because of the voicing differences between the 2 brands.


So would you say the voicing is pretty close between the Energy and the Axioms?
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post #1316 of 1416
10/1/12 at 2:28pm
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So would you say the voicing is pretty close between the Energy and the Axioms?

Lets just say the Axiom/Ascends are further apart vs. the Energy/Axiom having compared their speakers too. So...yeah" they imaged closer and sounded more similar than not..any differences might likely be heard with music.... movies OTOH...were hardly negligible...from what I can recall.

Axiom offers in home auditions..if your inclined...smile.gif

Any concerns here... you might want to look into some Energy RC-Rs... at the time I bought my Q's they were cheaper and up to the task. Maybe...ask around the Energy thread about some deals I've being outta the Energy loop for awhile since... Klipsch killed the brand...frown.gif

Good luck...Bill...smile.gif
Edited by Billy p - 10/1/12 at 4:12pm
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post #1317 of 1416
10/12/12 at 10:25am
I am looking at buying QS4s for my surrounds. I currently have AV123 x-ls fronts and AV123 x-cs center. Just wondering how they would match up. Another question, Can these be mounted from the ceiling at an angle and if so what mounts should I use?
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post #1318 of 1416
2/4/13 at 1:05pm
After using the M0s for a while now, I have to amend my previous statement...they are definitely powerful enough to be used as front heights. I am still planning on replacing them eventually with M2s, but it is no longer a pressing issue. smile.gif
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post #1319 of 1416
2/12/13 at 4:37pm
I'm considering selling my Axiom setup and would like to gauge interest. These were purchased in late 2007 and have had minimal use (much less than I anticipated when I bought them). Here is what I have...

Pair of M60 Towers
W150 On Wall/In Wall Center Speaker
Pair of QS8 Surrounds

PM me or respond to this thread if interested. Thanks.
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post #1320 of 1416
2/13/13 at 6:00am
If you had M2 or M3 onwall speakers I would be interested. Sorry!
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