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post #151 of 1422
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Originally Posted by indianrider View Post

I am in the market for speakers and Axiom is top on my list. I am planning to go with M60's for the fronts, vp100 for center and QS8's for the surround + rears. Here are my questions that i need your help on.

1) Pioneer VSX-94TH OR Denon 3808CI
2) What sub to go with and what model? I am considering HSU or SVS and probably the budget for the sub is around 700$.

Thanks a ton, guyz.

I can only comment on the 3808 and say it powers my m60's, VP100, EP350 and non_axiom rears great. Music and movies both sound incredible.
post #152 of 1422
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Originally Posted by jaseman View Post

What is it you are trying to accomplish by upgrading??? In fact, I'm not sure that any speaker that costs the same as the ones you have would be considered an upgrade at all.

Which sub are you using? Maybe a better sub will give you what you want. Do you have a very large room that the M60's can't handle? Speakers can last many, many years without any degradation in sound quality. Yours are just toddlers right now and have many more years to go. Save your money. My $0.02

Great question and I have no idea. I think it's just typical of this hobby. Always on the lookout for the next purchase.

I'm using an SVS PB12/plus2, so the sub isn't an issue. My current room is 20x14 and hopefully I'll be building a dedicated theater room. Size yet to be determined as this will come when we sell this house and buy our next house. I can tell you for I'm not looking at anything w/o a large unfinished basement. So size will be entirely up to me.
post #153 of 1422
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Originally Posted by indianrider View Post

I am in the market for speakers and Axiom is top on my list. I am planning to go with M60's for the fronts, vp100 for center and QS8's for the surround + rears. Here are my questions that i need your help on.

1) Pioneer VSX-94TH OR Denon 3808CI
2) What sub to go with and what model? I am considering HSU or SVS and probably the budget for the sub is around 700$.

Thanks a ton, guyz.

All I can say is great choice on Axioms...I just got mine and can't even begin to tell you how much I love them. I would personally suggest going with the VP150, I think its a perfect match for the M60's. (talking with Axiom they stated the same) I had been concerned about some of the off axis issues I'd heard about the center, but after hearing it I'm certain you'd never hear anything out of it you don't like. I'm running everything with a Sony 5300 ES receiver and its no problem, Axioms are very easy to drive.

My setup M60's, VP150, QS8, and HSU 3.3 - I personally wouldn't change anything about my setup (room is 13x19x10). It can litterally shake the second floor. I almost went with SVS, but the HSU was on sale. SVS is great as well
post #154 of 1422
Well I finally ordered my Axiom's at the end of last week. Went with 2 M60 towers, a VP150 center, and 4 QS8's for the rear surrounds (all in black). I already have a SVS 20-35 PCi sub sitting at home. I think this will be a decent 7.1 setup. These will be put in the theater area of my basement that I am almost done building. I haven't bought new speakers in some 15 years so I am eager to get these hooked up. They seem like a decent value for the money. The theater will be used for 85% movies, 15% music. All the theater chairs have the mini buttkickers in them too to round out the base experience for movies/TV.

Unfortunently due to my layout I will have to ceiling mount the 4 rear surrounds. I went with Axiom's own ceiling mounts. I will post my thoughts on this once I get them all hooked up (about a month from now).

Will be using my Onkyo TX-SR805 to power the setup.
post #155 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Driving_Hamster View Post

Well I finally ordered my Axiom's at the end of last week. Went with 2 M60 towers, a VP150 center, and 4 QS8's for the rear surrounds (all in black). I already have a SVS 20-35 PCi sub sitting at home. I think this will be a decent 7.1 setup. These will be put in the theater area of my basement that I am almost done building. I haven't bought new speakers in some 15 years so I am eager to get these hooked up. They seem like a decent value for the money. The theater will be used for 85% movies, 15% music. All the theater chairs have the mini buttkickers in them too to round out the base experience for movies/TV.

Unfortunently due to my layout I will have to ceiling mount the 4 rear surrounds. I went with Axiom's own ceiling mounts. I will post my thoughts on this once I get them all hooked up (about a month from now).

Will be using my Onkyo TX-SR805 to power the setup.

Great choice...can't wait to see the final pictures!
post #156 of 1422
Hey Axiom folks!

I've been researching speakers for a while now and I want to go ID. Its about a 6 hour round trip to audition anything live from where I am. I don't want to deal with the only local shop here, had some attitude issues and I'm not a fan lets say :P.

I think I've decided on Axiom and am getting ready to order but I thought I'd ask a couple questions first.

I'm trying to keep costs somewhat down right now, so I was planning on picking up floorstanders. How big is the difference between the 50s and 60s? I'm on the fence about just ordering an entire package.. but I'm not sure I can swing a full 5.1 package right now so I was thinking about picking up a pair of 50s/60s and maybe a VP150 and run that without rears for now. Is that worthwhile? Or should I just pass on the 150 until I can get the rest of the setup. Will this work without a sub for a (good) while?

Also, will my Yamaha 6060 reciever have any issues driving these?

Thanks for any reply in advance =P
post #157 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Driving_Hamster View Post

Well I finally ordered my Axiom's at the end of last week. Went with 2 M60 towers, a VP150 center, and 4 QS8's for the rear surrounds (all in black). I already have a SVS 20-35 PCi sub sitting at home. I think this will be a decent 7.1 setup. These will be put in the theater area of my basement that I am almost done building. I haven't bought new speakers in some 15 years so I am eager to get these hooked up. They seem like a decent value for the money. The theater will be used for 85% movies, 15% music. All the theater chairs have the mini buttkickers in them too to round out the base experience for movies/TV.

Unfortunently due to my layout I will have to ceiling mount the 4 rear surrounds. I went with Axiom's own ceiling mounts. I will post my thoughts on this once I get them all hooked up (about a month from now).

Will be using my Onkyo TX-SR805 to power the setup.

very much looking forward to some pics and your thoughts on the speakers. i will placing my order this coming week. still on the fence as to M22s or M60s for my fronts.

later.
post #158 of 1422
Driving Hamster,

You will have no problems with the Qs8's on the ceiling. I have mine hanging from a drp down area about 7ft up and they are fantastic and very forgiving on placement due to their design.
post #159 of 1422
Draemon,

Keep another thing as an option, you can order from their factory outlet, which most of us do, and save 10%, plus another 5% if you order 5 or more items, including accessories.

The 50's are a little more laid back. I've owned 60's and currently 80's, and the 60's are fabulous speakers with killer bass and great detail. For HT you can turn off the center channel in the reciever and the mains will be in phantom mode to simulate the center channel, if budget is an issue.
post #160 of 1422
Oh, neat. I saw that section but passed over it for some reason. What exactly are the blemishes? Problems with the wood? I see it says the problem isnt with any of the components..

What do you think about 2x M60, 1x VP150, 2x Single QS8 without a sub? This is around 1600 before taxes. Or drop the QS8s and pick up a sub instead?

Could just add an EP125 to the first list which puts it to 2k before taxes.. I could go up to 2k but then you add on taxes and cables and what not.

Should mention this is mostly for movies / games. Not too much music.
post #161 of 1422
Axiom has high standards when it comes to quality control during manufacturing. If a speaker even has the slightest nick or blemish, most times impossible to find, it gets discounted. They carry the same warranty, and are technically the same as the A stock. The standard line and custom shop are in a vinyl wrap, as most companies mfg. They do have a custom wood shop as well at a premium price.

I started a poll a few years ago on the Axiom thread, if memory serves me correctly, about 60% of the people who took the poll, purchased all or part of their speakers from the outlet.

My first 7.1 setup in mansfield beech and current 7.3 setup in Ebony Pica came from the outlet, and I have yet to find anything wrong cosmetically.

The left/right surrounds are pretty important for movie watching, as is a sub. The 60's put out some great bass, but won't reach as low as the sub channel. Some people leave out a center, and use the mains in phantom mode, which is done by turning off the center channel in the receiver. The VP100 is also a great center and very similar to the VP150. For large rooms the VP150 does a little better.

If your room is small the EP125 would be fine, but I would try to get the new EP350v3 if budget allows, it is killer over the previous EP350v2. I just figured from the factory outlet if you got 2 x 60's, 2 x Qs8's, 1 x vp100, 1 350v3 it would be $2,175 total. You could leave off the center or sub for now, but keep in mind you need to purchase 5 items to get the extra 5% on top of the 10% from the FO.

In regards to cables, buy everything from Monoprice.com , don't waste your money on Monster or other expensive hype cables.

There is no tax.
post #162 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Sirquack View Post

Driving Hamster,

You will have no problems with the Qs8's on the ceiling. I have mine hanging from a drp down area about 7ft up and they are fantastic and very forgiving on placement due to their design.

Thanks for the input. The speaker wire just arrived so all I need now are the axiom speakers! Hopefully will be here in about 2 weeks.

PS: I also ordered from the factory outlet. Allowed me to stay on budget and go with 7.1 surround .
post #163 of 1422
Much appreciated for the responses Sirquack.

The room is 17.5 x 15.3 x 8.10h. Not too big. Is the V150 not too much better than the V100? My thinking is to get components I'll be happy with and add on to them as I can, but I'd like to buy the right things once. =P

Also, I'm in Canada so I have a 13% tax on the purchase. =( Basically the 15% FO / 5 Peice discount will pay for my taxes =P
post #164 of 1422
I've never heard the VP100, but others on the Axiom forum are happy with it in rooms your size and bigger. The 150 can handle more power than the 100 and it has more tweeters. I was just looking for ways to save you some money.
post #165 of 1422
Ive to a set of Axiom Audio Epic 80 speakers in black at my house that have been packed away in storage for some time in the San Francisco Bay area. I dont have the sub anymore but I have the front, rears, and centers. If anyone is local and wants them $500 cash takes it all.
post #166 of 1422
Has anyone decided on 3 M80 v.2's across the front instead of 2 M80 v.2's and a VP150 v.2? I am curious as to the pluses and minuses in doing this. Any insight is much appreciated
post #167 of 1422
I think I've decided to go with Axiom, I shot their support guys an e-mail and he suggested adding a third surround because of my odd seating arrangement (which was why I sent them the mail :P). I'm curious about the difference between the QS4 / 8s if anyone has any insight?
post #168 of 1422
The 8s will reach a little lower in frequency and will play a little louder (is more suitable for larger rooms). In practice, they should not sound significantly different.
post #169 of 1422
So, if I'm running three QS Surrounds in a 17x16 room would the 4s be sufficient? Pairing these with M60s and a VP 100/150.

Edit: Ok I've run through a bunch of options now, I've got this list in my head now. Two M60s, 3 QS8s, One EP350 Sub. Its a little bit over budget, and my concerns are A Do I need a sub that big for a 17x16 room? B) As far as a sweet seating spot there really isn't one in my room, most of the furniture is off center from the TV by about 5 feet. Is a phantom center going to be sufficient?

Should I maybe just get my mains, sub and center and get the surrounds later?
post #170 of 1422
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Originally Posted by micromax View Post

Has anyone decided on 3 M80 v.2's across the front instead of 2 M80 v.2's and a VP150 v.2? I am curious as to the pluses and minuses in doing this. Any insight is much appreciated

I plan on doing it. Presently I have 2 M80v.2s as mains and a VP150v.2 center. What's convinced me to eventually make the switch to 3 M80s across the front is running a phantom center using the M80 mains. The quality of the sound and the depth of the soundstage across the front is so much better with center channel coming from the M80s it's no contest. The only reason I haven't done it is because I live in an apartment and don't want to mount it upside-down above the TV or invest in a projector/acoustically transparent screen until I have a house with a more permanent setup.

The pluses are that it's ideal to have all matching speakers across the front and the M80 is a much better speaker than the VP150. Considering how much content there is mixed into most center channel tracks I would want the center to be one of my best speakers. The cons are cost and placement. Basically you need the screen to be acoustically transparent or have it above the speakers. Even the best acoustically transparent screens have some effect on sound and you need extra distance from the wall for the screen to fit the speaker behind it with some breathing room both in front of and behind the speaker. Placing the screen above towers like the M80s might be problematic if you sit to close to the screen as the sound might seem detached (below) the action.

For now I mostly use a phantom center which works about 95% of the time with movies and video games. On a few occasions the center channel track on a disk is mixed so low I need to use the VP150 so I can separately boost the volume. As a temporary fix I've considered using an M22 or two (above/below) as a center which some people find preferable to the VP150 and then moving the M22s to rear duty when I get a bigger room and another M80.

If you haven't already check out the Axiom forum. I know I've see someone post pictures of 3 M80s across the front so you might get some better feedback.

Dean
post #171 of 1422
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Originally Posted by draemon View Post

Hey Axiom folks!

I've been researching speakers for a while now and I want to go ID. Its about a 6 hour round trip to audition anything live from where I am. I don't want to deal with the only local shop here, had some attitude issues and I'm not a fan lets say :P.

I think I've decided on Axiom and am getting ready to order but I thought I'd ask a couple questions first.

I'm trying to keep costs somewhat down right now, so I was planning on picking up floorstanders. How big is the difference between the 50s and 60s? I'm on the fence about just ordering an entire package.. but I'm not sure I can swing a full 5.1 package right now so I was thinking about picking up a pair of 50s/60s and maybe a VP150 and run that without rears for now. Is that worthwhile? Or should I just pass on the 150 until I can get the rest of the setup. Will this work without a sub for a (good) while?

Also, will my Yamaha 6060 reciever have any issues driving these?

Thanks for any reply in advance =P

it just so happens i bought myself a yamaha 6060 couple of weeks ago and trust me it works great with my m60's, vp100 and QS4's. personally i'd go for m60's and the rears and get the center later, but i'm a surround freak. if you get the m60's you'll get some descent base out of them so you don't REALLY need a sub right away. Also the sub is more of an addition to your sound system not an upgrade from lower quality speakers so i would leave the Sub as the last piece to get.
post #172 of 1422
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Originally Posted by draemon View Post

So, if I'm running three QS Surrounds in a 17x16 room would the 4s be sufficient? Pairing these with M60s and a VP 100/150.

Edit: Ok I've run through a bunch of options now, I've got this list in my head now. Two M60s, 3 QS8s, One EP350 Sub. Its a little bit over budget, and my concerns are A Do I need a sub that big for a 17x16 room? B) As far as a sweet seating spot there really isn't one in my room, most of the furniture is off center from the TV by about 5 feet. Is a phantom center going to be sufficient?

Should I maybe just get my mains, sub and center and get the surrounds later?

Assuming a standard 8' ceiling height, your room would come in around 2200 cubic feet. IMHO, that's a small to mid sized room, and the QS4s would work fine.

A phantom center means that all information meant for the center channel is split evenly between the left and right main speakers. This is only effective if you are sitting directly between the two main speakers. When you move to one side or the other of direct center, the center channel information (dialog, voices, etc.) will be coming from the main speaker (left or right) that is closest to you rather than from the actors/singers on the screen.

Each element in a surround system (mains, center, surrounds, sub) is important. However starting with some of the elements, and then adding the rest when the budget allows is a good way to build a system with which you're really happy. Regardless how you do it, when you add the element(s) you initially omitted, you'll be delighted with what they bring to the surround experience, and wonder how you got along without them in the first place.

Personally, I'd go with the mains/center/sub first, or mains/center/surrounds because using a phantom center with off center seating would drive me nuts. However, only you can decide which elements are the most important to you.

Another option would be to save a little money by substituting a different subwoofer such as the Epik Valor or Knight, or the av123 MFW-15, both of which are highly regarded around here, and put that money toward other elements. The downside to this suggestion is that these subwoofers are victims of their own success and all are on backorder, and to save money, you'd have to go with the satin black finishes.
post #173 of 1422
First post so I'll lay it all out but try to be brief. Just bought an Epic 60-500 (don't have required posts to list the URL) running 5.1 through a Denon AVR-4308ci. My first impression (prior to any amp adjustment) was that the M60s sound bright in the midrange and not very spatial. Listening area is 17'W x 14'D with vaulted ceilings and large space behind.

Set up the receiver many, many times, tried countless different settings. Got an acceptable sound in 5.1 watching a movie (Shoot 'em Up). However, never really got a great sound running 2.1 for CDs. Cycling through the many possible surround modes did not help. Ran a side by side compaison with my OLD speakers (Infiniti SM 120s, circa 1990). These speakers were $500 almost 20 years ago and simply sound better (better low/mid/high balance, less directional).

I am very impressed with the amount of base in the EP500 and the dispersion of the QS8s. VP150 neither impresses nor disappoints. I'm pretty sure I have to send the M60s back. Not sure about the rest of the equipment.

Has anyone bought any M60s/80s and been dissappointed by the sound quality? I will post in the 4308 as well but I need some feedback as I have been driving myself crazy for the last 48 hours.
post #174 of 1422
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Originally Posted by herrzuba View Post

First post so I'll lay it all out but try to be brief. Just bought an Epic 60-500 (don't have required posts to list the URL) running 5.1 through a Denon AVR-4308ci. My first impression (prior to any amp adjustment) was that the M60s sound bright in the midrange and not very spatial. Listening area is 17'W x 14'D with vaulted ceilings and large space behind.

Set up the receiver many, many times, tried countless different settings. Got an acceptable sound in 5.1 watching a movie (Shoot 'em Up). However, never really got a great sound running 2.1 for CDs. Cycling through the many possible surround modes did not help. Ran a side by side compaison with my OLD speakers (Infiniti SM 120s, circa 1990). These speakers were $500 almost 20 years ago and simply sound better (better low/mid/high balance, less directional).

I am very impressed with the amount of base in the EP500 and the dispersion of the QS8s. VP150 neither impresses nor disappoints. I'm pretty sure I have to send the M60s back. Not sure about the rest of the equipment.

Has anyone bought any M60s/80s and been dissappointed by the sound quality? I will post in the 4308 as well but I need some feedback as I have been driving myself crazy for the last 48 hours.

more seasoned axiom users can be found here http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/.

later.
post #175 of 1422
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Originally Posted by herrzuba View Post

Has anyone bought any M60s/80s and been dissappointed by the sound quality? I will post in the 4308 as well but I need some feedback as I have been driving myself crazy for the last 48 hours.

It's probably all just what your ears like. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. That's one bad thing about buying online speakers; you can't test them before buying them and shipping to return the items can add up. Too bad it didn't work out.

There are some options on Axiom to check your area for owners to listen to them. But those options might limit you from doing side-by-side comparisons.

To me you can test the m80 by listening to B&W704s. There are subtle differences but they sound so close to non-audiophile ears. I can't attest to the m60.
post #176 of 1422
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Originally Posted by micromax View Post

Has anyone decided on 3 M80 v.2's across the front instead of 2 M80 v.2's and a VP150 v.2? I am curious as to the pluses and minuses in doing this. Any insight is much appreciated

I did 3 M80s across the front and love it. It results in a very full, and very clean center signal. It's kind of neat when running tests to calibrate speakers, to hear absolutely no difference between the fronts and the center.

If you have the room for it, do it!

- Nuke
post #177 of 1422
Nice to see an Axiom owners thread here. I have had my Axioms for about 3 1/2 years now and an quite satisfied with them. I have a 7.1 setup, M80 mains, VP150 center,4 QS8s and an SVS 39PCi sub. I drive all this with a NAD T773 receiver. The NAD works great with these speakers, not at all "too bright" I believe the NAD mellows that aspect some. I have an acoustically difficult, open room, 26.5 x16 over all with a vaulted ceiling, about 3500 cubic feet I guess. I have one half for the HT side and the other half a quasi living room area. The main speakers face into the vaulted ceiling peak....the room is like a big Klipsch tweeter horn! I have an on going obsession, tweaking of speaker levels, positioning, the hanging of acoustical absorbers, moving furniture etc, etc. Its getting there and I think the Axioms have never sounded better I am going to add another sub and do wish the 150 was a tad better speaker. the M80 center sounds intriguing size wise maybe a M60 would work better? Or not?

I researched for about a year before getting my HT together auditioned many different speakers the ones I really liked were outside of my budget. I took a chance on the Axioms after hearing such good reviews of them. I am glad I did. I think you would be hard pressed to find any speakers at this price point that sound as good.
post #178 of 1422
in the house!

post #179 of 1422
Good stuff! Here is my Axiom equipped home theater. The whole project was sparked by a purchase of M22s (got it cheap via e-bay). The M22's have been performing quite well, (HSU VTF3.3 for the low end) so I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. Next purchase will be QS8s to replace the Bose satellites being used as surrounds

post #180 of 1422
Hi All,
I normally can be found in the NHT thread but since I just ordered a pair of QS8s I figured i'd pop in and say "howdy". Ive been searching for rear speakers for a bit to complement my NHT Classic 4 fronts and NHT Classic 3 center. Though I could have p/u an NHT set of direct radiating rears my seating arrangement dictated a bipolar/dipolar rear solution which the Axioms provide. Having read the reviews im very excited to hear them in action.

Regards,
Ricky
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