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post #271 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Nuclear Waste View Post

I'm sure you won't find the 80/500 setup to be unbalanced. It's designed to work extremely well together.

Using a main for your center just cranks it up another notch (up to 11?)-- blew me away. But most setups won't be able to support it purely for size reasons.

And I don't have trained ears either. If anything, my ears have trained me!

- Nuke

Thanks for all the info Nuke. I played around with some positioning of an M80 as a center this weekend. While I'm sure it would give it that extra level, and I could go around telling my friends that this one goes to 11, while they tell me why I don't I just make 10 louder, it's hard to make it work from a spacing and look&feel perspective.
post #272 of 1422
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Originally Posted by iammongo View Post

Here's another thought for you. If you are OK with the factory outlet B stock pieces (I bought my entire system that way and braced myself for the worst, only to be amazed at how nice everything looked), then you might want to compare the cost of the axiom subwoofer to the HSU.

The HSU and the axioms are very similar in performance (i never owned both but the craigsub subwoofer ratings thread put the axiom HSU models at almost a tie)

IF you order all of the axiom speakers at the same time from the outlet then you get a total 15% savings -

EP500 would be 1045.50
ep350V3 would be 644.30

When you consider the cost of the HSU Plus the shipping cost that you don't have to pay with axiom you might find a little more wiggle room in your budget.

This is exactly what I did on an 80/500 set up. Don't be even the least bit worried about the factory outlets. Everything I had read, and my own experience point me to believe they are just about perfect. I found no issues at all.
post #273 of 1422
anyone running a 60.500 with a sony ES (3/4/5)200 or (3/4/5)300? if so would you mind posting which speaker size settings you used for everything and the subwoofer cross over? axiom's documentation/site is annoying. You get instructional videos telling you to use one initial setting and different documents/manuals telling you to use another. setup doesn't sound very good atm after using the autocalibrate (which i'm sure is 99% of the problem). was hoping someone has some good initial settings for my receiver/speaker combo.
post #274 of 1422
I would go with small for all speakers and 80 hz as the crossover to start as per THX settings then you can tweak everything from there to your liking. I have my M80s set to small and the crossover set to 60(sometimes 40) for them and 80 for the rest of the setup and it sounds great to me. I have even tried the center and surrounds at 60 but they just don't sound like they are dealing with the lower frequency well so I moved it back up to 80.
post #275 of 1422
Not sure how you can call their website annoying, has some of the most informative information if you understand what your reading. I agree with Jakewash as to the settings.
post #276 of 1422
Have you guys ever found a center channel mount that works with the vp150 for rear projection tvs. Axiom has the wall mounts but that puts the center channel only a couple inches from the wall. The front of the tv is about 24 inches from the back of the wall so that mount wont work well. The omnimount that sits on top of the tv is not a good idea with the samsung dlps because they have very thin plastic and bow the screen so that option is out. I put the center on my tv stand under the tv but i just do not like the sound. Any other ideas out there guys? A 24 inch deep shelf would be pretty tough to find plus being able to hold the vp150 might be even harder.
post #277 of 1422
oachalon,

I use one of these:
http://www.standsandmounts.com/index...OD&ProdID=5544

It is sitting in front of my (rather ancient now) Mitsubishi rear-projection HDTV. This stand is extremely sturdy (and heavy) and could easily manage a VP150. I have a VP100 sitting on it now.

Just one option.

Jim
post #278 of 1422
I use one of these:
http://www.omnimount.com/consumer/pr...b-1c3318a4fdf9

Works for my Polk CSi3 center speaker on top of my Sony rear projection LCD.




EDIT: Nevermind. Looks like you've already seen this one.
However, it does work with my Sony KDF-42WE655.

I'm not sure if the slop on the back of your Samsung is the same.
post #279 of 1422
Well I ordered some new Axiom speakers last week. I am upgrading from the lousy Infiniti TSS-450 system that I've used for the last 3 years, so this is a BIG upgrade. Getting the M60's, QS8's, and the VP150. Everything is arriving Wednesday. Subwoofer is an HSU 3.3, which is also coming Wednesday. So excited!!!!

I'll be sure to post pictures!
post #280 of 1422
wesley i dont have the room for a dedicated center channel stand that would sit in front of my tv but thanks. I had the omnimount on my old toshiba dlp but, i just dont trust it with my samsung hl-t5687s. The frame on these tvs are just so thin for looks that it really has no support. My center channel sounded best when it was right above my toshiba on that mount. When i went to the samsung tv i put the center channel on the shelf behind the tv but the shelf is like 2 feet above the tv plus its only like 12 inches deep so there is a lot of room between the front of the speaker and the front of the tv. For fun I put the center channel on my tv stand and its there right now but still dont really like the sound. Im just trying to get my center channel back to the ideal spot which is right above the tv and flush with the screen.
post #281 of 1422
Hello,

I am considering the M80s for my L/C/R, behind an AT screen.

I have 25 inches behind the framing of my screen, and another 3" to the screen material itself.

That would leave me with only 8" to play with, plus a little extra to the actual screen itself. So for example 5" behind the speaker, and 3"-6" to the screen depending on height.

Can anyone comment on M80s behind an AT screen?

Thanks for your help!
post #282 of 1422
Can anyone suggest surround ceiling speaker brackets that would support QS8's? the ones at axiom's site seem a little bit pricey at $55 each.
post #283 of 1422
Hey all....I'm looking at upgrading my system to either Axiom or AV123. I like the fact that Axiom has the QS4 and QS8, while as of yet, no such luck with a wide dispersion surround speaker from AV123.
My question though is, has anyone found a retail speaker stand that will work with the QS speakers? No chance in hades that I am going to spend almost $600 on 4 speaker stands. Wall or ceiling mounting is not an option in my apartment. I guess I could DIY some some stands for fairly cheap...but time is a rare commodity for me.
I am considering a combo of; M22 fronts, VP150 and 4 QS4's or M2's (dependant on stands). From what I have read here, this should be one heck of a system in my tiny HT.
Thanks in advance, Mike.
post #284 of 1422
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Originally Posted by OhioMike View Post

Hey all....I'm looking at upgrading my system to either Axiom or AV123. I like the fact that Axiom has the QS4 and QS8, while as of yet, no such luck with a wide dispersion surround speaker from AV123.
My question though is, has anyone found a retail speaker stand that will work with the QS speakers? No chance in hades that I am going to spend almost $600 on 4 speaker stands. Wall or ceiling mounting is not an option in my apartment. I guess I could DIY some some stands for fairly cheap...but time is a rare commodity for me.
I am considering a combo of; M22 fronts, VP150 and 4 QS4's or M2's (dependant on stands). From what I have read here, this should be one heck of a system in my tiny HT.
Thanks in advance, Mike.

My coworker ("Signal" here on AVS) recently purchased some commercial cast iron and steel table bases for his Sonance cabinet speakers. They were about $78 delivered and needed no modification to work as speaker stands. If you don't want to drill into the cabinet, you could use 'museum putty' or similar tacky stuff. They are very stable and much less expensive than "audiophile" stands that may not even be a sturdy. Table bases come in different heights -- he was able to get one that put his speakers at the perfect level without modification.

Hope that helps.
post #285 of 1422
Mike, all of the speakers you have mentioned have a center mounting bolt on the back of the speaker, so any stand you can find that allows for a bolt into the back of a speaker should work very well.
post #286 of 1422
This is a retype from my build thread of the issue I had with my QS8 something overnight:

Had a potentially dangerous issue with one of the Axiom QS8 surrounds. The wife goes down into the theater this morning to get something and sees this speaker dangeling from the ceiling by the speaker wire. The ceiling mount was fine (I put two 90 pound toggle bolts up there to hold each one). The problem is that the screw that goes though the bracket ripped through the housing of the speaker thus letting gravity take the speaker for a ride. There is a pretty good gouge in the wall from this. The speaker seems fine except that the fastener pull through the speaker and left a piece inside the housing. It jingles now like a piggy bank. I called and left a message with Axiom to see what I can do to get this fixed. Will update as a solution becomes available. I am just thankful that no one was sitting near that speaker when it went!

Other than this I have loved my Axioms! Still wouldn't trade them for anything. Just need to watch a movie with a helmet on while in the rear of the theater !
post #287 of 1422
Axiom just called back to inquire about the issue. After describing my issue we agreed that perhaps I over tightened the bolt in the back. The are sending out a new QS8 as a replacement and a prepaid shipping label to send the old one back to them.

Pretty decent customer service if you ask me.
post #288 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Nuclear Waste View Post

A vertically mounted center can make a huge difference, especially if you have multiple listening positions. Check out this great article written by Chris Seymour: http://www.audioholics.com/education...peaker-designs

I'm running Axiom M80s for my fronts with an M80 as my center. Seamless, even sound all the way across the front. Based on the performance I'm getting, I highly recommend matching your center to your mains.

- Nuke

I think that is a really good idea. The center is by far your most important speaker, so it doesn't make sense to have expensive left and rights, and then an inexpensive center. If anything it should be the other way around, with the center your most expensive speaker.
post #289 of 1422
After many months, I've finished my set up which includes the Epic80-500. Thanks to all of you who assisted in the decision process (Whether you knew it or not). Additionally, I wanted to let all of you know that the BDI Novia 8429 fits the vp150 perfectly. Here are some pics of the set up.



post #290 of 1422
Hey NDRugby,

I know this is OT, but I see you have a loveseat in your seating. I'm at the stage of deciding between four separates or a loveseat in the middle. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks...
post #291 of 1422
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Originally Posted by ejhuzy View Post

Hey NDRugby,

I know this is OT, but I see you have a loveseat in your seating. I'm at the stage of deciding between four separates or a loveseat in the middle. Any thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks...

I struggled with the same issue. I like it cause some times I like the extra space sideways. Not disappointed at all with my decision.
post #292 of 1422
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

I struggled with the same issue. I like it cause some times I like the extra space sideways. Not disappointed at all with my decision.

Thanks NDRugby. GO IRISH!
post #293 of 1422
Hey guys,

I have a couple of questions regarding Axiom bookshelves...

1). I was going to get M2s and the VP100. Then I thought about getting the M3s for fronts, VP100 center and M2s for rears. However, I came across a CNET review of a package system with M3s and the VP100. They claim the M3s and VP100 didn't seem to match and also the VP100 dialogue often sounded like the people were speaking with their hands over their mouths. I talked to Axiom and they claim the VP100 is voice-match for the M2, M3 and M60. Although the guy didn't comment directly about the CNET review, he assured me the VP100 produces clear dialogue (dependent on what I'm watching). Anyone have any experience with either or preferebly both (M3 and VP100). I like the Axioms for the 'bang for the buck', but would steer clear if the center and fronts can't get along.

2). I noticed the M3/M2 have titanium tweeters and aluminum woofers, resulting in crisper, yet brighter sounds. I've not had experience with both metal tweeters and woofers. I would audition them, but they won't pay the shipping back (like Aperion and others). Any experience with titanium/aluminum combo?

3). Basically I'm eyeballing an upgrade to my HTIB. Right now it seems down to Polks (RTIA1, TSI series), Paradigm (Atom), AV123 X-series. Any general advice vs Axioms M3/M2s? I've only auditioned the Atoms, which sounded good to my ears. None of the B&M stores around me have Polk anything set up in a decent configuration.

Thanks guys. I appreciate any advice. * Note - here's the link to the CNET review http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...7-9387841.html
post #294 of 1422
Abbygator:

I have the VP100 with the M22 in my home theater and a pair of M3's in a bedroom system. The M3 is a great bookshelf speaker. It has a slight bass bump to make it appear to go deeper. This also makes it trickier to integrate with a subwoofer. For home theater go with the M2's (since you'll have a subwoofer.)

Don't worry about the VP100 sounding veiled. Mine is always impressing me with how well I can hear dialog. I don't know if my previous centers just sucked, but the VP100 has improved the dialog quality of my system greatly.

M2 + VP100 would be a very impressive front three.

Jim
post #295 of 1422
**** I have also posted this note in the Amp/Receiver forum without many replies, so here I am looking for some suggestions ******

Guys,

I have $900 to spare and looking for suggestions on how to improve the soundstage.

I currently run Axiom M60s, M2, and QS4s with a Yammy RXV657. The are used for movies/music about 70/30 % of the time. I listen to classical, jazz, fusion & psychedelic rock.

I have read quite a bit around the Denon's being better suited for the Axioms due to their 'sterile' output though I do not have too much of a problem with my current setup - I guess the carpeting, heavy drapes and open concept of the room alleviates the brightness.

So, question is will adding an amp to my setup improve the clarity, soundstage and if so what models do you suggest. I prefer Audiogon for my purchases. Otherwise, will adding a more powerful Denon (3803/5/8) improve the soundstage? I am not in a position to borrow a Denon to try this out.

Thanks in advance...
post #296 of 1422
You have a pretty good amp in the Yamaha, unless you are looking to go for something with mega watts I don't think you will get a huge improvement in sound, even then those that have made the leap to a seperate amp say it is noticeable but only you can say if it is worth the money spent.

I might suggest an upgrade to the M80s for not much more than the $900. I know the M80s are 4ohm load and that Axiom doesn't recommend them with the Yamaha avr's but the M80s are that much more detailed and provide a better soundstage, IMO. You could then go ahead and get a seperate to drive them later on, but the 657 should have no problems running them at normal levels.
post #297 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Abbygator View Post

Hey guys,

I have a couple of questions regarding Axiom bookshelves...

1). I was going to get M2s and the VP100. Then I thought about getting the M3s for fronts, VP100 center and M2s for rears. However, I came across a CNET review of a package system with M3s and the VP100. They claim the M3s and VP100 didn't seem to match and also the VP100 dialogue often sounded like the people were speaking with their hands over their mouths. I talked to Axiom and they claim the VP100 is voice-match for the M2, M3 and M60. Although the guy didn't comment directly about the CNET review, he assured me the VP100 produces clear dialogue (dependent on what I'm watching). Anyone have any experience with either or preferebly both (M3 and VP100). I like the Axioms for the 'bang for the buck', but would steer clear if the center and fronts can't get along.

2). I noticed the M3/M2 have titanium tweeters and aluminum woofers, resulting in crisper, yet brighter sounds. I've not had experience with both metal tweeters and woofers. I would audition them, but they won't pay the shipping back (like Aperion and others). Any experience with titanium/aluminum combo?

3). Basically I'm eyeballing an upgrade to my HTIB. Right now it seems down to Polks (RTIA1, TSI series), Paradigm (Atom), AV123 X-series. Any general advice vs Axioms M3/M2s? I've only auditioned the Atoms, which sounded good to my ears. None of the B&M stores around me have Polk anything set up in a decent configuration.

Thanks guys. I appreciate any advice. * Note - here's the link to the CNET review http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...7-9387841.html


I find the M2, M22, M60, M80s to sound identical to the VP series of speaker. The M3s and M50 sound slightly different, not objectionaly but different enought to be noticed at least by me.

You could always order the VP100 and see if you like it then order the rest, Axiom will still honor their HT discount as long as you purchase inside the 30 day window. This way if you don't like the VP100 it will only cost about $10-20 to send it back.

I have both VP100 and the 150 and both allow for crystal clear dialogue. I have found Paradigm and Axiom sound quite similar to me.
post #298 of 1422
Thanks jakewash. I cannot get the m80s due to space restrictions and WAF. So its going to be the 60s until I finish the basement. I was thinkting that a Denon 38.. receiver might be a better match, but due to lack of such a suggestion by the gurus, I will hold off on any purchases.

I have heard the rockets (dont remember the model) driven by a acurus a300 and a yamaha and it sounded so detailed and without it felt a bit laid back.
post #299 of 1422
Hi Abbygator,

1). Just a thought, if you are getting bookshelf speakers and can fit one of them above or below your screen you should really consider using one identical to what you buy for your left/right mains as have three matching speakers up front is the ideal situation.

2). I have the M80s which have the same drivers as the M2 and M3 speakers and find that they sound perfect to me in my room. Some complain that the M80s sound bright especially at higher volumes but I don't ever recall reading that about the M2 or M3 speakers.

3). You might consider going back to the B&M stores and listening to as many speakers as you can and taking notes on what you like or don't like. Even if you have no intention on buying the speakers it will give you some examples you could post and others could better comment on how the speakers you are considering sound compared to those you listened to. However, in the end you won't know what they will sound like until you get them into your own room and listen to them. Also if you are considering any of the brands that offer free shipping both ways then ordering and listening to them in your own room is a good idea, unless you don't want to be bothered with testing and possibly shipping back several setups.

Many speakers companies have forums where you may be able to hook up with an owner and listen to the speakers you are considering, if you havent already looked.

Cheers,
Dean
post #300 of 1422
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Originally Posted by YYZIAN View Post

Thanks jakewash. I cannot get the m80s due to space restrictions and WAF. So its going to be the 60s until I finish the basement. I was thinkting that a Denon 38.. receiver might be a better match, but due to lack of such a suggestion by the gurus, I will hold off on any purchases.

I have heard the rockets (dont remember the model) driven by a acurus a300 and a yamaha and it sounded so detailed and without it felt a bit laid back.

With that amp you have more than double the wattage of the yamaha so I would expect to get a little more detail and crisp sounding at moderate to high volumes, the extra headroom does wonders. Is something like that worth it to you? Then by all means go ahead and purchase one. I am hoping to get one of Axiom's amps at some point or something similar to go with my Denon 3808 but I will be waiting a very long time.

I guess since you are looking used you can always buy it and if it doesn't make enough of a difference to you , resell it.
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