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post #301 of 1422
Thanks Jakewash, Grunt and Wesley for you reponses. LOL I first replied using my brother's acct (he was signed in) so I deleted that post. I'm visiting for a few days and it's funny b/c he's looking for an upgraded 5.1 system too and has posted here AND we (almost) have the same list of companies.

I think if I go with the Axioms, I'll stick with the M2/VP100 route. The M2 seems like a real solid speaker. Since my current HTIB system is 'ok', 5.25" speakers will be fine for our living room. I think getting a good quality sub and upgrading the receiver will help greatly. When/if my bro and I get our HT rooms, they'll we'll look at more higher end gear. Thanks again!
post #302 of 1422
I have been unable to get on the Axiom website or forums last 2 days. Any ideas?
post #303 of 1422
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Originally Posted by doberry View Post

I have been unable to get on the Axiom website or forums last 2 days. Any ideas?

I just tried it and it opened for me. You are going to axiomaudio.com correct?

http://axiomaudio.com/

If that doesnt work then maybe something in your browser is not letting you access the site?
post #304 of 1422
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Originally Posted by phipp01 View Post

I just tried it and it opened for me. You are going to axiomaudio.com correct?

http://axiomaudio.com/

If that doesnt work then maybe something in your browser is not letting you access the site?

Thanks. Found the browser problem.
post #305 of 1422
Is there anyone in Edmonton (Canada) with the M60s who are willing to audition them? I checked the audition list on the Axiomi site, but there are no M60s listed.

I like the brighter sound from titanium tweeters, and I am hoping to listen to both the M60 and the Klipsch RF82, so I know what high-impact speakers sound like.
post #306 of 1422
If you haven't already i'd suggest asking this question at Axiom audio's forums as they have a section specifically for these types of requests...if it means anything I've got the m60's and they are phenomenal!
post #307 of 1422
I am by no means a "golden ear" audio critic but to tell you the truth, I have the M80's and a friend of mine has the M60's and unless you are playing them really loud, I haven't been able to tell the difference. I have been totally pleased with these speakers for the last three years.
post #308 of 1422
On this page: http://axiomaudio.com/m60.html#, under the specs tab, there is a graph of the frequency response.

I don't see how Axiom can claim 37-22KHz +/- 3dB. It looks more like 65-17K.
post #309 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

On this page: http://axiomaudio.com/m60.html#, under the specs tab, there is a graph of the frequency response.

I don't see how Axiom can claim 37-22KHz +/- 3dB. It looks more like 65-17K.

+/- 3dB, means a 6dB window. In that graph the FR tops out around 90dB. At 40hz, it's at 84dB. 90-84 = 6dB. That's how they rate it.
post #310 of 1422
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Originally Posted by xcjago View Post

+/- 3dB, means a 6dB window. In that graph the FR tops out around 90dB. At 40hz, it's at 84dB. 90-84 = 6dB. That's how they rate it.

If we use your criteria of a 6dB envelope (84 to 90 dB), then the frequency range should be 55Hz - 17KHz. At 55Hz it hits 84dB and doesn't do any better at any lower frequency. At 17KHz it hits 84dB and doesn't do any better at any higher frequency.

Based on that graph, the FR is 55-17KHz, not the claimed 37-22KHz.
post #311 of 1422
I tried to decide on an Epic series but didn't like any of the subs that came with them. I decided on a 7.1 surround system:

1pair - M60 v2 Floor Standing Speakers
VP150 v2 Center Channel Speaker
1pair - QS8 v2 Surround Speakers for my side surrounds since their Di-Pole.
1pair - M3 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for my rear forward facing surrounds.
1pair - M22 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for 2nd zone (pool room)

At first I bought the 1pair M60's, VP150 & 2 pair QS8's but since the QS8's are Di-Pole the two pair canceled each other out and I wasn't getting seperation and localization. I found out that in a 7.1 surround system the back surrounds should not be Di-Pole if my side surrounds already are. That the back surrounds should be forward firing speakers. Since Axiom has that wonderful "30-day In Home Trial" I sent back one pair of the QS8's and swapped them for one pair of M3's. With the Onkyo TX-NR905 AV Receiver everything sounds awsome. I did test drive the EP500 v2 Subwoofer two weeks ago and wasn't very impressed. I did try and get a SVS PB12-PLUS but SVS Sound seems to be sold out of almost everything except the ULTRA series. So in about a week or two I'm getting the SVS PB13-Ultra so I can crack the foundation with. LOL

*****
Onkyo TX-NR905 AV Receiver
Samsung LN46A550 LCD HDTV
Samsung BD-P1500 soon to be Samsung BD-P2500 Blu-Ray
Onkyo DV-SP1000 DVD Player
Marantz Reference Series SA-15S1 SACD player
Pronto TSU9600 Color Remote Control
post #312 of 1422
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Originally Posted by RJonesUSC View Post

Here's a couple pics of my new setup. Had the speakers and avr for a while, but just got them hooked up with the new panny.

Nice Credenza you have there. I'm in the process of finding one on Racks&Stands for my system. *:..:*¨¨*:.Lookin good*:..:*¨¨*:.
post #313 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Beta Tester View Post

If we use your criteria of a 6dB envelope (84 to 90 dB), then the frequency range should be 55Hz - 17KHz. At 55Hz it hits 84dB and doesn't do any better at any lower frequency. At 17KHz it hits 84dB and doesn't do any better at any higher frequency.

Based on that graph, the FR is 55-17KHz, not the claimed 37-22KHz.

Agreed, and I find it interesting that the graph would even be posted the way it is. More interesting to me (an owner of M80s) the M80 graph isn't any better, especially with a peak to 93db at one point...the window is more than 6db to reach low 50's. So I don't know what to make of these graphs really. I can tell you that (with room gain) the M80 pair I have yields low thirties at high db rather easily in my case. They are far from bass shy, the way the graph suggests they are. The graphs remind me of good bookshelves, not these floor-standers!
post #314 of 1422
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Originally Posted by avr5700 View Post

Agreed, and I find it interesting that the graph would even be posted the way it is. More interesting to me (an owner of M80s) the M80 graph isn't any better, especially with a peak to 93db at one point...the window is more than 6db to reach low 50's. So I don't know what to make of these graphs really. I can tell you that (with room gain) the M80 pair I have yields low thirties at high db rather easily in my case. They are far from bass shy, the way the graph suggests they are. The graphs remind me of good bookshelves, not these floor-standers!

I have listened to about 15 different speakers in the last couple of weeks, and I was going to order some M60s to audition at home, but I have decided not to because of the graph. 55-17KHz is pretty poor specs, especially the 17K.
post #315 of 1422
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Originally Posted by AcIdC0R3 View Post

At first I bought the 1pair M60's, VP150 & 2 pair QS8's but since the QS8's are Di-Pole the two pair canceled each other out and I wasn't getting seperation and localization. I found out that in a 7.1 surround system the back surrounds should not be Di-Pole if my side surrounds already are. That the back surrounds should be forward firing speakers. Since Axiom has that wonderful "30-day In Home Trial" I sent back one pair of the QS8's and swapped them for one pair of M3's. With the Onkyo TX-NR905 AV Receiver everything sounds awsome. I did test drive the EP500 v2 Subwoofer two weeks ago and wasn't very impressed. I did try and get a SVS PB12-PLUS but SVS Sound seems to be sold out of almost everything except the ULTRA series. So in about a week or two I'm getting the SVS PB13-Ultra so I can crack the foundation with. LOL

*****

Just to note the QS series are not Dipoles, they fire in phase. I will guess your issues had to do with placement or just a preference for the forward firing sound instead of the diffuse sound the QS's put out.
post #316 of 1422
Can you guys tell me if this is a good deal?


Millennia M22ti Bookshelves in Black Oak finish

QS8 Surrounds in Black Oak finish

VP150 Center in Black Oak finish

Full Metal Bracket in black

All for $800
post #317 of 1422
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Originally Posted by Mac-AV View Post

Can you guys tell me if this is a good deal?


Millennia M22ti Bookshelves in Black Oak finish

QS8 Surrounds in Black Oak finish

VP150 Center in Black Oak finish

Full Metal Bracket in black

All for $800

That's about 70% of factory outlet prices, so it is not a bad deal.
post #318 of 1422
@Mac AV: Where are you getting your stuff from? PM me if its a retailer.
@ all: I was debating between getting the M22's and the M60's. My room is 12' x 15', which would you recommend? I'm currently running Energy C-200's so no matter what i get, it'll be an improvement.
post #319 of 1422
kds, The M60s have a fuller sound and go lower than the M22s unless you are running a sub I would go with the M60s, otherwise either one would be great. I have M22s and M80s and have directly compared the M60s with all of them. They are all very good speakers.
post #320 of 1422
I've got an axiom EP350, so I figured having the lower end on my fronts wasn t quite that big a deal.Thanks for the tip though.
post #321 of 1422
I have an EP500 and I still have M60's. My room is 20x13. If you go small you will always wonder IF the M60's would sound better.... they will, even with a SUB. MHO
post #322 of 1422
I have another quick question, I had an Energy s10.3 and was pretty happy with it, but thought the Axiom ep 350 would be a big step up, but it doesn t sound that much better, and is a heck of a lot quieter, even though it has a 300watt amp vs a 200 watt amp in the s10.3. On top of that, futureshop has the energy on for $400. Should I stay with the axiom (or am I doing something wrong?) or should I return it and get the energy?Thnx
post #323 of 1422
Go here: http://www.axiomaudio.com/boards/ubbthreads.php

The various members on this board will be able to guide you into the proper setup of your Axiom sub!
post #324 of 1422
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Originally Posted by kdssrugby View Post

@Mac AV: Where are you getting your stuff from? PM me if its a retailer.
@ all: I was debating between getting the M22's and the M60's. My room is 12' x 15', which would you recommend? I'm currently running Energy C-200's so no matter what i get, it'll be an improvement.


my room is 20 X 13 and i am running the M22's with and eD sub and it rocks. the M22's are a very capable speaker that can power most home theater set ups when paired with a decent sub. later.
post #325 of 1422
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Originally Posted by kdssrugby View Post

I have another quick question, I had an Energy s10.3 and was pretty happy with it, but thought the Axiom ep 350 would be a big step up, but it doesn t sound that much better, and is a heck of a lot quieter, even though it has a 300watt amp vs a 200 watt amp in the s10.3. On top of that, futureshop has the energy on for $400. Should I stay with the axiom (or am I doing something wrong?) or should I return it and get the energy?Thnx

I need to know if everything is level matched/calibrated either with a SPL meter or auto program. The 350 should be able to easily match the output of the energy if not more. How do you have the 350 set up on the rear panel of the amp? And lastly we are talking about the v3 right? the v2 is not very strong at all.
post #326 of 1422
Hey jakewash, yes I have the v3. I ve calibrated the audio using the audyssey setup on my onkyo 605. I have the volume knob on the back of the sub cranked, and the volume in the audyssey setup is set to +3 for the sub whereas the Energy was at -8. (which is what the audyssey set it at, but then you can t feel/hear the bass at all. I m connecting it to the receiver using a coaxial cable (gold plated) into the line-in connection.
Thnx for the help BTW

Edit; I forgot to mention I have this set using the auto on/off, and that my audio is coming from a htpc (using analog connections from my X-Fi extreme music). The X-FI control panel has an option to amplify the signal by 15db, and this semi solves the problem, but seems like I m avoiding the actual problem. Could the auto setup be the issue?

Edit #2; I was looking around my receiver menu, and found a entry under hardware setup/analog multichannel called subwoofer sensitivity with a range btw 0 and 15, and it is set at 15, and turning it down to 0 makes it louder, but boomier. Hopefully all of this makes sense to someone.
post #327 of 1422
Check the Onkyo for a similar subwoofer input sensitivity on the analog in or ext. in. It might be set too low as well.

When you did the Audyssey, was the 350 volume knob at full? Maybe try the Audyssey with the volume on the 350 at 1/2 or 1/4 just to see if that makes any difference. I know with my Denon Auyssey always sets the sub level in the reciever too low for my tastes, so I end up adding a few db to the level.

What are the trim and phase settings on the sub at?

How big is the room you have this in? I have heard the EP350 in a 4000cf room and it went plenty loud.
post #328 of 1422
I found the input sensitivity feature on the onkyo in my 2nd edit, but it is already at 15. Should I turn it to 15 on the x-fi control panel as well?
I had the volume knob at 1/4 originally and the audyssey didn t even detect the sub so I turned it to full volume. I ve got a pretty small room, 15ft x 12ftx 8ft tall. The phase setting is at 0 degrees though I don t know what a trim setting is, unless you mean x-over which is turned off and managed by the reciever which is set at 80hz.

I have it positioned about 1.5ft away from the side wall and 1ft away from the rear wall and it is about 6ft away from my listening position.
Thnx again.
post #329 of 1422
Sorry for the confusion, I forgot the EP350 doesn't have a trim, all it does is act something like a room eq and only the EP500 and 600 have it.

When you say turned off the crossover on the sub, I hope that means set to the highest setting on the sub. Also maybe try the Auto on/off feature deactivated, it could be that the signal coming in is too low and the sub isn't actually coming on?

If setting the X-fi control setting to 15 means that it gives it's highest output then yes, set it to that setting.

I find it odd that the setting on the Onkyo at 0 makes it louder usually the higher number makes it louder, although I am not familiar with Onkyos so I can't say if there is something wrong there, but if loud isn't happening at 15 and 0 is boomy, then set it to 7 and back off the volume on the sub.

You may want to take this(copy and paste what we have covered so far) over to Axiom's site as there are some Guru's over there that are far more knowledgable than I.
post #330 of 1422
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, I have te crossover set at the highest setting. I ve played with the auto on/off with no difference.
The option on the x-fi card is called subwoofer gain with only a +15 option.

Sorry I wasn t clear about the subwoofer sensitivity. There is an option under speakers where I can set the volume of the speakers from -15 to +12, but the option I was talking about was found under the hardware menu and the analog multi channel submenu. The only option there is one called subwoofer sensitivity which can only be increased or decreased by increments of 5, so 0,5,10,15. It is in this option that setting the value at 0 makes it boomy and loud. Using the regular speaker config, setting it at +12 is far louder than 0.
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