Official Axiom Owner's Thread - Page 33

Hi Madaeel,
Did you think about tilting the center channel slightly aiming the tweeter towards the listening area? I can't tell in the picture. Did you do that?

Thank you,
tony

Tony,

I feel the same way as you do when it comes to watching movies. Nothing worse than missing a bunch of dialog because your center channel isn't doing his part correctly. I used the VP150 for almost 6 years and thought it did an incredible job. Back in July I upgraded to the VP180 since I picked up a pair of M80's... If you have the space and/or budget, I would HIGHLY recommend that beast. It has been the single best Audio upgrade I have made to my HT in the past 10 years.

Hello,
That is the same question I posed to Axiom support. After I gave them my room dimensions (16' wide x 12' deep), they said that the VP180 would be too much speaker.
That is why I'm leaning towards (3) - M22's L/C/R

Thx,
Tony

IMO, you can't have 'too much speaker'. I have a VP150 in a smallish (14'x22') room and it works nicely. Of course I'm not sitting too far off to the side, so I would never notice issues if they exist.

Having said that, if you can get 3 identical speakers across the front, do it. Even the best designed center speakers are still a compromise.

Comparison of QS4 and QS8 from Axiom's website. What difference's are you after? Axiom's spec pages for both models is pretty informative.

Axiom QS8

Axiom QS4

LH

Thanks LH, but i wanted personal opinions (reviews) from persons who have heard both.

Not many people have owned both. Even when this question is asked on the Axiom forums the responses tend to be vague and sparse. AFAIR the general consensus is that the QS8s are better at filling a room with sound so they would be the clear choice in a large to midsized room but that the QS4 will hold their own in a smaller room. And no I have never heard the QS4s.

No I didn't think I would need to. The tweeter in the M22 is around 3ft off the floor so that's pretty close to where it should be. Actually the front left and right are a little higher than they should be because of aesthetics. It would just look odd if they were lower and it doesn't affect the sound that much I'd imagine. Ideally all three speakers would be equal height but that's not going to happen in the living room, but it will in the basement.

Hey guys I have: marantz sr7005, emotiva xpa-2, emotiva xpa-5. Was wondering if this would be able to power and run effectively the 80-800 in 7.2. The emotiva xpa-2 powering the m80s and the xpa-5 powering the center and surrounds, while the receiver powers the two subs. Will it work?

Should work fine.

BTW - The receiver does not power the subs. They have their own amps.

You should have plenty of power.

Yeah i had a brain fart about the amps guys thanks for the help can not wait to get this system rolling should make for some fun movie nights with great sound and bass.

I have that same system but instead of the qs8, I am using some m22 in walls. Then I have a pair of m2 inwall for height speakers. All I am using to power the system is a denon 4810. I am considering adding a xpa3 to power the m80 and vp180.

I'm looking at getting new speakers for our family room, 22' X 15' X 8' with a 12' opening on 15' wall to the kitchen/dinette. I currently have Polk Audio RT7's for the front, CS400i center and RT35i's in the rear, PSW450 for the bass. Power is supplied by a Pioneer Elite 84TXSi(140watts) which will stay. System is used 50% music, 50% movies. It’s not that I'm unhappy with the sound, just looking to try something new and different. I am considering the following from Axiom:

M60v3, VP150v3, M3v3
or
M22v3, VP150v3, M3v3.

In either case the sub will be an Epic Empire or Legend, still thinking this one over.

I'm on the fence on going with the 60's vs the 22's for the fronts. I've read very positive reviews on both here and on the Axiom forum. Just not sure if giving up the 2nd midrange driver in the 22's in lieu of getting 2 bass drivers and 1 mid in the 60's is a good idea in my application. Looking for any insight, direction, suggestions you can offer.

Thanks

Hi All,

I just received a M22/VP150 L/C/R setup, to be used in my 7.1 HT.

I wanted to get some opinions, on what the common practices are when setting the Crossover on the AVR. Since the sweet-spot drops off at @ 60hz for the M22, and @ 85hz for the VP150, I have a few questions:

A) Is it better to set the VP150 @ 85hz, to avoid the drop-off?

B) Is it better to set the VP150 @ 60hz, to attempt a seamless sound with the M22?

C) Any other ideas?

In most cases you are better off crossing over higher to let the sub do most of the work. I would set the M22 and VP150 at 80-90hz. My VP150 is crossed at 90hz and my M60s at 60hz. With a smaller speaker like the M22, 80-85hz is probably better. Remember that the crossover points are more of a rolloff than a cut off so its usually better to go about 10-20hz above it's +/-3db rating.

The best option is to measure the response of the speakers IN YOUR ROOM. Don't rely on tests done in anechoic chambers.

Which AVR do you have? Many have built in testing programs (like Audyssey and MCACC). You could also get this using program like REW. Or you could use trial and error (start with 80hz all around and work from there).

I have the Onkyo 805, with AudysseyEQ XT. The Auto-Calibrate usually works good, I also have two Denons with Audyssey; but every once in a while the thing gets weird and set the crossover at vastly different points for the L/C/R even when they are the exact same speaker, once I was running CSW T300s as the L/R and it set one to 80hz and the other to "Full" - they both were running on-board 175w 10" Subs! So I am just looking for general settings, just for my own info, in case it pulls some weird move again.

There's a reason for that behavior. Check out the Audyssey guide in my signature. Just because they are the same speaker does not mean they will perform the same - location has a HUGE impact on this.

Also, the 805 assumes that anything that measures below 80hz is full. So two speakers may have measured at 85hz and the other at 78hz. It may not be a big a difference as it appears.

QS8/QS4 owners:

I am wondering what experiences you have had, when experimenting with Speaker Placement.

After x-mas, I plan on getting a set of QS8. My HT is 12'x12', with 4 Seats ~1' from the rear wall. Currently, I own a set of CSW S300 (Bipole/Monopole/Dipole units); which are 1' above ear level (total of 4' off ground), and 2' in front of the ear centerline. The reason I mounted them forward, is because the Manual said it was OK and my seats are about 1' from the back wall. The location never bothered me, until I installed my new L/C/R M22 & VP150 setup; now the direction is too localized, and the forward position is now perceivable. When I upgrade to the QS8, I am thinking of increasing the height to 2' above ear (5' from ground) - and 90degrees direct on ear centerline. This would put the center of the QS8 center ~1.5' from the rear wall leaving ~10" of clearance from the edge of the speaker to the rear wall. I am hoping this will work out fine, in regards to being so close to the back wall; since the units are dispersive surrounds anyhow, and the back wall has heavy curtains and artwork to break up harshness, then maybe the Audyssey will help diminish any remaining glaring acoustical problems.

I welcome all experiences and recommendations.

Have you considered mounting the on the back wall?

I just received some M80/VP180 v3s, and didn't notice when ordering them that they didn't come with bi-wire/amp connections. I was a bit disappointed that Axiom would be that cheap, and disappointed in myself for not exploring ALL those customization options (I thought it was just a wood / color thing). The spikes are an $18 option, and the bi-wire/amp posts are a $40 option.

Anyway, what are your opinions about the difference bi-wiring/amping might make with these speakers? My wiring is 10 gauge, and I wasn't planning on bi-wiring/amping in the near future. I hate to have painted myself into a corner for a stupid $40 option I missed....

js.

IMO, it is a VERY STUPID $40 option and I'm glad they are not making me pay for it. You gain nothing from passive bi-amping.

It would have been a wasted $40. I have tried running my M80's buy-wired and it makes no difference. You have to take Axiom's crossovers out of the equation and do active biamping with external crossovers and seperate amps for it to have any real effect.

Well props to Axiom. I just got an email saying they would exchange the speakers for the $40 difference. I don't know of too many companies that would do that. So now I just have to decide if it's worth the hassle. I'm not sure bi-wiring (with 10 gauge) would give me anything, and I may never get around to bi-amping them. They might have a higher resale value with the dual sets of posts though... Opinions?

Thanks!
js.

As previously mentioned above...bi-wiring will give you nothing. Google it and read all you can on the subject and you should come away with the same conclusion.

It sounds like you are convinced it will help so go for it. It won't hurt anything. For my money, I'd spend the $40 on pizza and beer. It would be a much better return on my investment.

I'm with Dewd, as you are still wondering about this issue, it seems like you won't truly be happy with out the dual posts so go for it

I ordered a set of Axioms today.

M80's
VP150 center (180 is 2" too wide for my ent cabinet)
QS8's
Sub is an Epic Sentinal.

Now the wait begins.

Sweet!