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post #151 of 287
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post #152 of 287
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Originally Posted by afiggatt View Post

Hope we get at least several more useful HD channels added with this upgrade round, but Fios simply is not ready to announce them in advance.

In advanced nothing, I don't think the PR people even know what's going on. In fact was just talking to them yesterday and they said they had nothing to announce and then this pops up on ch49. What a joke, I emailed them back to ask if they didn't tell me on purpose (very nicely of course) and that in the future I'd love to help them notify their subscribers.
post #153 of 287
Woke up this AM...to my surprise I now have A&E HD.
post #154 of 287
Yep, complete with a stretched show. I'd say I wished they added a different channel, but having access to all the new HD channels via DirecTV, I'd say that none of them are that great. For selfish reasons I'd prefer to have History HD (also with alot of stretched content).
post #155 of 287
can somebody start a poll? if you can only have 5 HD channels added, which would you want?

My choices would be: fx (now!!! nip/tuck is coming back), sci-fi, discovery, animal planet, maybe smithsonian?
post #156 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post

I don't know where you live, but here is a breakdown which may help.

I had D* for 7 years and now I have fios. I really like both, but here are my advantages and disadvantages of each:

D* advantage: Great CS, many HD channels, I have few outages, decent HD PQ, good price packages for new subscribers.

D* disadvantage: No RSN (here in Philadelphia), lousy SD channels ( PQ, that is...over compressed), no vod or HD vod and LIMITED ppv movies, lousy and SLOW equipment/guides.

FIOS advantages: VOD, Rsn (mains reason I switched...local sports), excellent sd pq (best I've seen yet), excellent HD quality, decent cs, many ppv movies, no outages (only 2 months of sevice though).

Fios disadvantages: lack of HD channels and verison's STUPID policy of keeping you in the dark about future HD additions. No hd vod. A bit more pricey.

To me, if Verizon gave news of 20 new HD channels coming soon or if FIOS had more HD it would be a "no brainer" to me that verizon would be the company to stay with...or go with. however, i have 8 months to decide (D* account is suspended while I check out FIOS).

cool, thanks for the breakdown, for the record I am in Northern VA.
post #157 of 287
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

can somebody start a poll? if you can only have 5 HD channels added, which would you want?

My choices would be: fx (now!!! nip/tuck is coming back), sci-fi, discovery, animal planet, maybe smithsonian?

I want:

TBS, Nickelodeon, Discovery channel, GMC and Comedy channel.
post #158 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post

Fios disadvantages: ... A bit more pricey.

How do you figure that? My existing setup (more than four TVs) would cost a small fortune on D*. My understanding has always been that, with the triple play, Verizon is easily the cheapest option out there (depending on the number of STBs you had in your pre- and post- Verizon setups).
post #159 of 287
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

How do you figure that? My existing setup (more than four TVs) would cost a small fortune on D*. My understanding has always been that, with the triple play, Verizon is easily the cheapest option out there (depending on the number of STBs you had in your pre- and post- Verizon setups).

+1.

When I priced out D* last month it was going to be more expensive per month for programming, and I would have had to pay $500 up front for equiptment. I would love all those HDs but not that much.
post #160 of 287
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

can somebody start a poll? if you can only have 5 HD channels added, which would you want?

Ok, why not?

Verizon FIOS HD channels we want to see vote

Verizon Fios currently has the following national HD channels (as of Oct. 15, 2007):
National (15 channels): TNT, ESPN, ESPN2, NFL, HDNet, HDNet Movies, UniversalHD, Discovery HD Theater, Wealth, Nat Geographic, MHD, Food, HGTV, A&E, Lifetime Movie Network.
Premium channels: HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, TMC, Starz.

Side note: Verizon now has a total of 15 national HD channels that are available at no extra charge beyond the HD STB/DVR or with a cable card and long has had the primary channel for all 5 of the premium movie nets. Until very recently, this was ahead of D* and most cable systems, so keep this in mind before people start put up more Fios bashing posts.

The list below is of the national HD channels that are now available which are not on Fios. I'm ignoring the RSNs and the west coast feeds of the premium movie channels in the list. If there is an active national HD channel not on this list, please point that out.

Animal Planet HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
Big Ten HD
Bravo HD
Cartoon Network HD
CNBC HD [all upconverted SD video combined with HD graphics on the 16x9 screen]
CNN HD
Discovery HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
Fox Business Network HD
Fuel HD
FX HD
History Channel HD
MGM
MOJO
Outdoor Channel 2 HD? (never been clear on the status of this channel)
Sci-Fi HD
Science Channel HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
ShowTime Too HD
Smithsonian HD
Speed HD
Starz Comedy HD
Starz Edge HD
Starz Kids and Family
TBS HD
TLC HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
USA HD
Versus / Golf Channel HD
Weather Channel HD
The 15 Voom channels which are only on Dish and Cablevision

There are a number of other channels listed on the DirecTV HD list as starting up in the fall and winter but most don't have firm start-up dates so DirecTV may now be slowing down on adding more waves. Higher profile HD channels on the upcoming list: ABC Family, Biography, Disney Channel, MTV, Nickelodeon, HBO2, HBO Family, HBO Signature. But until these exist or have firm start-up dates, we can't expect Fios to add them so don't include them in the votes.

No idea which of these, if any, Verizon is planning to add in the near future, but if we can get enough votes, we can always email the list of the top vote getters to Verizon for them to use as they will. So how about the 5 channels you most want to see in no particular order? I'm going to add up the total votes and update this post from time to time (or maybe in a new Verizon vote thread). If you list 6 channels, I am going to take the first 5. We should also ignore the 15 Voom channels because those are just not going to happen on Fios anytime soon.

Votes totals: ??

PS. If you reply to this, please don't quote the whole post in your reply.
post #161 of 287
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Originally Posted by URFloorMatt View Post

How do you figure that? My existing setup (more than four TVs) would cost a small fortune on D*. My understanding has always been that, with the triple play, Verizon is easily the cheapest option out there (depending on the number of STBs you had in your pre- and post- Verizon setups).

Well let's put it this way. I had:

DSL: $15.99
Phone:$28.99
D* w HD and $20 month credit with 2 HD receivers, locals, etc:$48.99

D*$94 (verizon all in one bill)

Fios triple play:$95 plus HD receiver $9.99 and HD Dvr $12.99

Fios:$118

Granite, FIOS is a heck of alot faster than DSL but I could live with 768K.
post #162 of 287
I just created 3 polls with the info you listed.

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Originally Posted by afiggatt View Post

Ok, why not?

Verizon FIOS HD channels we want to see vote

Verizon Fios currently has the following national HD channels (as of Oct. 15, 2007):
National (15 channels): TNT, ESPN, ESPN2, NFL, HDNet, HDNet Movies, UniversalHD, Discovery HD Theater, Wealth, Nat Geographic, MHD, Food, HGTV, A&E, Lifetime Movie Network.
Premium channels: HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, TMC, Starz.

Side note: Verizon now has a total of 15 national HD channels that are available at no extra charge beyond the HD STB/DVR or with a cable card and long has had the primary channel for all 5 of the premium movie nets. Until very recently, this was ahead of D* and most cable systems, so keep this in mind before people start put up more Fios bashing posts.

The list below is of the national HD channels that are now available which are not on Fios. I’m ignoring the RSNs and the west coast feeds of the premium movie channels in the list. If there is an active national HD channel not on this list, please point that out.

Animal Planet HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
Big Ten HD
Bravo HD
Cartoon Network HD
CNBC HD [all upconverted SD video combined with HD graphics on the 16x9 screen]
CNN HD
Discovery HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
Fox Business Network HD
Fuel HD
FX HD
History Channel HD
MGM
MOJO
Outdoor Channel 2 HD? (never been clear on the status of this channel)
Sci-Fi HD
Science Channel HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
ShowTime Too HD
Smithsonian HD
Speed HD
Starz Comedy HD
Starz Edge HD
Starz Kids and Family
TBS HD
TLC HD (Part of the Discovery channel HD group)
USA HD
Versus / Golf Channel HD
Weather Channel HD
The 15 Voom channels which are only on Dish and Cablevision

There are a number of other channels listed on the DirecTV HD list as starting up in the fall and winter but most don’t have firm start-up dates so DirecTV may now be slowing down on adding more waves. Higher profile HD channels on the upcoming list: ABC Family, Biography, Disney Channel, MTV, Nickelodeon, HBO2, HBO Family, HBO Signature. But until these exist or have firm start-up dates, we can’t expect Fios to add them so don't include them in the votes.

No idea which of these, if any, Verizon is planning to add in the near future, but if we can get enough votes, we can always email the list of the top vote getters to Verizon for them to use as they will. So how about the 5 channels you most want to see in no particular order? I’m going to add up the total votes and update this post from time to time (or maybe in a new Verizon vote thread). If you list 6 channels, I am going to take the first 5. We should also ignore the 15 Voom channels because those are just not going to happen on Fios anytime soon.

Votes totals: ??

PS. If you reply to this, please don't quote the whole post in your reply.
post #163 of 287
We have FiOS Internet + Phone for $65, and we pay an additional $80 for Time Warner Cable with access to approximately 25 free HD channels.

We are waiting for FiOS TV to be made available in New York City in order to get Verizon's triple play (or possibly even quad-play) package. For the simple reason that Time Warner costs too damn much, and we're looking to save some coin by going triple-play with Verizon. The picture quality, HD offerings and IMG are bonuses.

Having said that, reports of the IMG being buggy are giving me pause. And the comparative lack of HD in the near future is a factor, albeit a relatively small one. We might have to investigate going with DirecTV, possibly as part of Verizon's "other" triple play plan.

Besides that, it seems clear to me that while Verizon will lack HD in the short term, once they go all digital in February 2009, and beyond that when they move to IPTV by 2010, they will be able to far outstrip any other provider on the HD front.
post #164 of 287
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Originally Posted by UnnDunn View Post

We have FiOS Internet + Phone for $65, and we pay an additional $80 for Time Warner Cable with access to approximately 25 free HD channels.

We are waiting for FiOS TV to be made available in New York City in order to get Verizon's triple play (or possibly even quad-play) package. For the simple reason that Time Warner costs too damn much, and we're looking to save some coin by going triple-play with Verizon. The picture quality, HD offerings and IMG are bonuses.

Having said that, reports of the IMG being buggy are giving me pause. And the comparative lack of HD in the near future is a factor, albeit a relatively small one. We might have to investigate going with DirecTV, possibly as part of Verizon's "other" triple play plan.

Besides that, it seems clear to me that while Verizon will lack HD in the short term, once they go all digital in February 2009, and beyond that when they move to IPTV by 2010, they will be able to far outstrip any other provider on the HD front.

The savings also played a significant part in my switching over to FIOS. I've had the new IMG since August (Mass.) and have to say that although it has had some issues, they are not the type that shut your TV viewing down. The only problems I've had with them is that about three times since the IMG download, the system has rebooted or I've had to power it down and bring it back up. While that is not optimal, it is about what I had to do with my D* boxes when I had them (and I returned several of those). So although annoying, I haven't seen a problem that stops me from watching for extended period of times.

As far as the HD offerings, I am fine with what I have. I watch a lot of sports, and I have a full range of HD for those. The only hiccup was the TBS flap for the baseball playoffs, but those are now back on Fox, so HD again. The last I heard is that FIOS without modification can add about 20 more HD channels (described in: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...90208&page=157 ). Once the analog channels are dumped (in Q2 2008?) a lot more capacity will be available. The HD channels from FIOS are uncompressed, as good as OTA, unlike a lot of the original D* HD channels (ex: ESPN, ESPN2).

You also need to gauge whether the new HD channels that come along have HD programming. My favorite, HDNET is all HD, watching soccer on it is a thing of beauty. My wife's favorite, HGTV has an HD version that is gorgeous. Many of the HD channels being brought in have a widely differing percentage of HD vs. SD content, so just providing an HD channel (on FIOS or D*, etc) doesn't mean all content is HD.

Lastlly, the service for me has been excellent. I just placed a call two days ago for a tech to resolve a problem with my mother-in-law's DVR. He came in the next day, in the morning. It was pilot error on her part, but the promptness was pretty impressive.
post #165 of 287
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

Lastlly, the service for me has been excellent. I just placed a call two days ago for a tech to resolve a problem with my mother-in-law's DVR. He came in the next day, in the morning. It was pilot error on her part, but the promptness was pretty impressive.

I have to agree. We've had only one problem with our FiOS service, but Verizon responded to it in a courteous, professional and speedy manner. Unlike Time Warner, who I've had to complain to the City about to get a resolution to our current problems (and they still aren't being resolved.)
post #166 of 287
Speaking of service, when I was away on a business trip our modem failed. FIOS were there within 4 hours of the call with a new router according to my wife!
post #167 of 287
Since some of you all are comparing prices i pay $114.98 including ALL taxes which includes the HD DVR and an addional STB in the bedroom i almost never use and i get all the channels Verizon has to offer. I share this because if you are paying more, you dont have to and with the delay in adding the addional HD channels D** is offering why pay more then you have to?

It also includes 5 mbs internet and telephone with free long distance of course.

This price has been negatiated due to the terrible billing practices of Verizon and outright lies told to me by CS.

Compare that to what the same TV service alone would cost you from ANY of the other providers. So if it takes Verizon a little longer to catch up on HD channels its Ok by me.

I have a second Gen. 6416-2 HD DVR and standard def looks even better then it did before i got the new box. My price is locked for 2 years regardless of upgrades so i know i wont be charged more for more. You cant say that with any other provider out there.

My 5 HD channel choices would be.

Animal Planet
History
SciFi
Weather
USA
Stetched or not!

I live in MA.
post #168 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post

I want:

TBS

No, you really don't. See the TBS HD thread. Unless you really like seeing The Office at 16:9, presented in stretched 4:3 and everything else in 4:3 stretch.
post #169 of 287
If anybody can tell you what HD channels might be coming soon it'll be these people: http://www.verizonnj.com/about/commu...al_affairs.asp

That link applies to NJ only, but if you search around on Google you will find your external affairs rep as well. The rep for Middlesex/Union County (Mark) told me how FiOS is planned for my township in late 2007 but more likely early 2008.
post #170 of 287
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Originally Posted by mbrose View Post

A summary of most of the challenges/business decisions that Verizon has made(and noted in this thread) in regards to the HD race

Considering that VZ FiOS is so new, their TV boxes should have been all-MPEG-4/H.264-compatible from the start. Then they wouldn't have to worry about switching consumer boxes with a switchover to MPEG-4. They might have had poor first-gen MPEG-4 encoders, or they could have sprung for better (and more plentiful/good-valued) MPEG-2 encoders in the interim, but either way, they'd be covered longer-term. MPEG-4's the future, even for FiOS, as the fiber network in the future will be taxed by heavier Internet usage, cable-style. Penny wise.....
post #171 of 287
According to FIOS their future is IPTV. They plan on switching to it within 3 years.
post #172 of 287
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

No, you really don't. See the TBS HD thread. Unless you really like seeing The Office at 16:9, presented in stretched 4:3 and everything else in 4:3 stretch.

I always wonder why they do that. The office is in HD so why not simply show it in HD? Is there some sort of agreement or restriction? Because it makes no sense....
post #173 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

as the fiber network in the future will be taxed by heavier Internet usage, cable-style. Penny wise.....

The only thing that limits the bandwidth of the fiber network is the capability of the receiving and transmitting equipment. Currently, verizon uses BPON which lets them share out 622Mbps downstream to 32 customers. But they are in the process of deploying GPON, which will up that to 2.4Gbps over the same wires. From a customer standpoint, the upgrade will require replacing the ONT on the side of one's house, but that's something VZ could do in ten minutes while you're at work since they won't have to come into your home. And you get a fourfold increase in bandwidth.

Also, once IPTV is deployed, which will be in the next three years or so, downstream bandwidth will cease to be an issue the way it is now. I'm sure Verizon thought "why make all these crazy investments in MPEG 4 et al. when we're just going to chuck them out and replace them with IPTV boxes in three years?"
post #174 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post

I always wonder why they do that. The office is in HD so why not simply show it in HD? Is there some sort of agreement or restriction? Because it makes no sense....

Apparently, broadcasting live events in HD, showing movies in HD and showing syndicated TV shows in HD require three completely different sets of HD processing equipment. Maybe they made just enough investment to do the MLB playoffs in HD (they rented an HD production truck or something) without upgrading the rest of the network to support HD.

Which makes sense, because I for one haven't heard anything about TBS upgrading its facilities to support HD production or broadcasting. Other networks have made a big deal about the upgrades they made to do HD, for example ESPN crowed about its all-new "Digital Center" with all tapeless HD equipment.
post #175 of 287
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Originally Posted by UnnDunn View Post

Apparently, broadcasting live events in HD, showing movies in HD and showing syndicated TV shows in HD require three completely different sets of HD processing equipment. Maybe they made just enough investment to do the MLB playoffs in HD (they rented an HD production truck or something) without upgrading the rest of the network to support HD.

Which makes sense, because I for one haven't heard anything about TBS upgrading its facilities to support HD production or broadcasting. Other networks have made a big deal about the upgrades they made to do HD, for example ESPN crowed about its all-new "Digital Center" with all tapeless HD equipment.

Thanks...that makes sense...well, sort of.

Now, what are/is IPTV. I'm new to this cable thing after coming from D* for 7 years.
Never mind...is this it?

http://www.iptvnews.net/

Looks like a way to save on bandwidth by only sending a signal or program when requested.....very smart. let's hope it's instant, though. I wonder if you'll have channel guides and all that? The possibilities could be endless.
post #176 of 287
only one show, but I have it here in richmond. anyone else?
post #177 of 287
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Originally Posted by mikelets456 View Post

Thanks...that makes sense...well, sort of.

Now, what are/is IPTV. I'm new to this cable thing after coming from D* for 7 years.
Never mind...is this it?

http://www.iptvnews.net/

Looks like a way to save on bandwidth by only sending a signal or program when requested.....very smart. let's hope it's instant, though. I wonder if you'll have channel guides and all that? The possibilities could be endless.

Yeah, IPTV only sends a channel when it is requested by a subscriber. This allows the provider to have "unlimited" channel capacity - the only limit is the number of servers they have to ingest video streams into the system. If they want to carry 100 more HD channels tomorrow, they'd merely have to bring a new server farm online to process all the new incoming video and make it available for customers to access.

On the customer side, the only limitation with IPTV is how many video streams can be sent to a single customer simultaneously, which is a function of available downstream bandwidth and bandwidth requirements for each video stream.

For example, AT&T U-Verse (which is an IPTV system running over AT&T's Fiber-to-the-Neighborhood network) only allows customers to view a single HD channel or 4 SD channels at any given time. Its customers can rent only 1 HD box, no matter how many HDTVs they may have.

Once Verizon completes its GPON upgrades, each customer will theoretically have around 70Mbps of available downstream bandwidth. Carve out about 20-30Mbps for voice and data, and you're left with over 40Mbps for video, more than enough for up to 4 HD streams using modern codecs.

Verizon used to use Microsoft Mediaroom technology to deliver its TV programming (using standard QAM.) One of the selling points of Mediaroom IPTV is instant channel changes. But I heard they dropped Mediaroom a while ago, and it remains to be seen if they go back to it for their IPTV rollout.
post #178 of 287
a bit OT but to expand on the IPTV subject:

locally we have another true IPTV service-Cavtel(Cavalier Telephone). IP-based, MPEG 4 codec. the bad news-it's a DSL platform. it states on their website that you must be within 10,000 line-ft. of one their CO's to even get TV service, & they discourage using any VOIP service with TV.

props to them, however, for getting as much out of DSL as they have. they even have the bandwidth for HD, albeit only about a third the chs as FiOS.
post #179 of 287
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Originally Posted by Speck's Dad View Post

only one show, but I have it here in richmond. anyone else?

yeah!!! got it here in Hampton Roads, VA.

as a bonus it's one of my favorite History Ch shows!!(Dogfights).

FiOS added A&E HD programs to the HD VOD just before they added the actual ch. so maybe....

it's been posted as a RUMOR!!! that FiOS could be adding the Discovery HD tier as early as a week from today(10/26). maybe there's room for 5 new HD chs?
post #180 of 287
A&E and History Channel share the same owner, so it is likely Verizon negotiated for both of those channels at the same time. I don't have any information on History-HD availabilility.
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