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post #61 of 287
10/8/07 at 11:54am
I love my FIOS (Had it for 2 years+ now) in Northern Virginia. I am not about to switch anytime soon. Our internet is amazing and reliable, and the PQ is magnificent on every channel, HD or not.

I am really disappointed about the lack of press releases or any information about new HD channels. I could care less about TBS, but I'd love to get Sci-Fi, USA, Bravo, and FX. All these channels have original programming that I know is taped in HD.

I wish FIOS would just say something.
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post #62 of 287
10/8/07 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

i think they have given up on fios as a money losing endeavor for them.

LOL. Apparently you're not much up on current events are you?


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post #63 of 287
10/8/07 at 11:49pm
i should hve been more specific. they are losing money on fios TV. that is from ppl insie he company.

keep in mind the 100's of millions they spent to build out the sytem from he ground up laying fiber in every neighborhood. they knew they had to get a ton of subscribers to even break even & steal more then half of all tv subscribers of one kind o another to make a profit. the havent done that & ppl in the phil area at last have been migrating back to comcast.

fio tv has been a money losing flop or the most part so they may eventually discontinue it.

they will prob go back to jut offering dtv with their internet & phone packages. there is no etf if you cancel fios tv as long s you keep your other internet b phone services & you can even get a discount when packaging dtv with those other services.

fios tv was a nice idea but it flopped so far & might be too little too late by the ime they ever improve. they made too big of pomies that they didnt fullfill b forgot to match the comptition first before claiming they ere bettr.
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post #64 of 287
10/8/07 at 11:52pm
ps. i hate his blckjack keyboard that misses letters so half my the's look like he and my & symbol ends up being a b cus the function key i press doesnt take.

cant edit my above post as im using the mobile version of he site but it seem to be completely readable despite a few mising letters here b there.
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post #65 of 287
10/9/07 at 5:25am
they don't seem to be doing that bad to me:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/companyreport?symbol=VZ

anecdotal evidence is sh*t. "i know a guy whose brother's aunt's 2nd cousin works for Vz and they said they're losing money! Oh Noooooes!"
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post #66 of 287
10/9/07 at 6:22am
The argument doesn't hold anyway. The 100s of millions of dollars spent to build out the system are irrelevant to whether continuing to operate the service is profitable. That money has been spent. It's a sunk cost. All that is relevant is whether they can gain enough subscribers to pay the continuing cost of maintaining the plant and providing the service.

If the cost of laying the fiber dominates, it is difficult for me to understand how it could be a better decision to operate just Internet and phone service without the television service.

/jab
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post #67 of 287
10/9/07 at 7:00am
Trust me on this.

It is all part of a long term business plan of recapturing their capitol investment.

Keep in mind Microsoft is just starting to become profitable in their xbox product line due to the initial costs of hardware and marketing etc. There is no question in my mind that products as widepsread and costly as this are not canned because they haven't made money in a 5 year period. There is a major time horizon with regard to profitability in any endeavor that has this much intense capitol outlay. I am Franchise consultant and many times a simple fast food joint does not achieve profitability within the same time that fios has been up and running.

That said, they have made key errors in judgement with regards to their competition. In my opinion, the most important thing to many hdtv owners is the ability to not have to watch shows that they like in HDTV. Quality of the hd or sd for that matter is secondary. At this point in time they are clearly behind DBS in terms of channel offerings in HD and compared to cable they don't have RSN's nationwide in HD or VOD in HD. This is a major issue. The question is, when will they address it?? Every month they sit around doing nothing they will dig a larger hole for themselves to dig out of. Consumers, including myself, love new technology but not at the expense of being the beta testers while we are paying for it.
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post #68 of 287
10/9/07 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by redskins4life View Post

Every month they sit around doing nothing they will dig a larger hole for themselves to dig out of. Consumers, including myself, love new technology but not at the expense of being the beta testers while we are paying for it.

not to argue, but how do we know they're doing nothing? it seems the only thing we DO know is that we don't know.
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post #69 of 287
10/9/07 at 10:23am
Still no new guide here. It was due out in August, no September, no October. Just release it already. The East coast already has it. No love for the south I guess.
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post #70 of 287
10/9/07 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Rein View Post

Still no new guide here. It was due out in August, no September, no October. Just release it already. The East coast already has it. No love for the south I guess.

You should be happy they have not released the buggy first version of the IMG in your area. Hopefully they will just release the version 2 with most of the bug fixes. I would be happier if they kept the old IMG and gave us new HD channels.
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post #71 of 287
10/9/07 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Rein View Post

Still no new guide here. It was due out in August, no September, no October. Just release it already. The East coast already has it. No love for the south I guess.

I was not aware that PA, NJ, NY were in the south. VA on the other hand got the IMG in mid-August. The areas that did not get the buggy feature deficient IMG were PA, FL, TX, NJ, NY. They are now on the list of areas that will get the IMG "by the end of 2007". Those lucky bastards! See http://netservices.verizon.net/porta...em?case=c30701.

The 6416 crashed on me again last night. It was recording a program while I was watching another channel and crashed right at the time the recording was done. Thinking back, I might have been changing channels at that time, so the buggy software may have tried to switch tuners while one was closing out a recording session. Have to test this theory. Anyway, I have lost count of the number of crashes I have had with the new IMG, but I have lost only 1 or 2 recordings (and those may be due to bad guide data messing up series recordings).

I hope if Verizon has a new version that fixes some of the worse bugs, that they will give to the current IMG users first. If you have not gotten the new IMG yet, consider that a good thing.
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post #72 of 287
10/9/07 at 3:07pm
I'm not really worried about new HD channels on FiosTV. I'm sure we'll get them soon enough.

When Verizon finalized their current lineup this summer, correct if I'm wrong, but it seemed they added every HD channel that was currently available. The fact that they added HD channels like Lifetime, HGTV, and Wealth meant to me they were scrapping around for every possible HD channel they could add. It was only in the last month or so that the new 20+ desirable HD channels came out. They missed Verizon lineup change that occurred slightly earlier. So I have a good feeling the next time Verizon reorganizes the FiosTV lineup, they will once again add every HD channel that is available.
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post #73 of 287
10/9/07 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

I'm not really worried about new HD channels on FiosTV. I'm sure we'll get them soon enough.

When Verizon finalized their current lineup this summer, correct if I'm wrong, but it seemed they added every HD channel that was currently available. The fact that they added HD channels like Lifetime, HGTV, and Wealth meant to me they were scrapping around for every possible HD channel they could add. It was only in the last month or so that the new 20+ desirable HD channels came out. They missed Verizon lineup change that occurred slightly earlier. So I have a good feeling the next time Verizon reorganizes the FiosTV lineup, they will once again add every HD channel that is available.

you stand corrected. there were several HD channels that they did not add. Some of the more obvious ones were Outdoor Channel, Golf/VS and Mojo. The first two for sure were available to them, as they carry the analog versions and all they had to do was pick it up from the providers. There are others and I am sure people will be more than happy to provide you the list
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post #74 of 287
10/9/07 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

you stand corrected. there were several HD channels that they did not add. Some of the more obvious ones were Outdoor Channel, Golf/VS and Mojo. The first two for sure were available to them, as they carry the analog.

When they added Food, HGTV, LMT HD back in April, the available national HD channels that they did not add also included A&E-HD. There were also the 15 Voom channels, but even if Verizon could get those, they don't have the bandwidth at this time. Mojo is owned by Comcast, Time Warner, and Cox, so it would be understandable they were not to allow Fios to have that channel. It was a little surprising that Verizon did not add A&E-HD, although they may have known that there was not much HD on A&E-HD. But we are now approaching 6 months since Verizon last added any national HD channels.

A person who claims to have worked for Verizon that the reason for adding Lifetime Movie Network HD was that they felt the HD line-up needed more channels for the female viewers. Food-HD and HGTV-HD would fall in the same category.
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post #75 of 287
10/9/07 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by CHolleman View Post

not to argue, but how do we know they're doing nothing? it seems the only thing we DO know is that we don't know.

Go back in this topic the last few days and read JWhip's comments.
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post #76 of 287
10/9/07 at 8:48pm
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Go back in this topic the last few days and read JWhip's comments.

Why? JWhip comes across as a Comcast/TW FUD plant. The most detailed post I've seen here recently about what Verizon is doing to get more QAM channel was by bfdtv in post #6 of this thread. I can confirm that I currently have 54 active QAM channels in Sterling, VA. Even with that limited set, there is room for more HD channels even without much channel reshuffling.
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post #77 of 287
10/10/07 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by CHolleman View Post

they don't seem to be doing that bad to me:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/companyreport?symbol=VZ

anecdotal evidence is sh*t. "i know a guy whose brother's aunt's 2nd cousin works for Vz and they said they're losing money! Oh Noooooes!"

ok what i can say for sure is that ppl that tried fios in pila area are migrating back to comcast in droves. And all I care about is my pesonal opinion after having both and at the same time and fios is a big loser flop.

so keep defending fios for some unknown reason but you can't deny it hasn't delivered after promising a lot

"That said, they have made key errors in judgement with regards to their competition. In my opinion, the most important thing to many hdtv owners is the ability to not have to watch shows that they like in HDTV. Quality of the hd or sd for that matter is secondary. At this point in time they are clearly behind DBS in terms of channel offerings in HD and compared to cable they don't have RSN's nationwide in HD or VOD in HD. This is a major issue. The question is, when will they address it?? Every month they sit around doing nothing they will dig a larger hole for themselves to dig out of. Consumers, including myself, love new technology but not at the expense of being the beta testers while we are paying for it."

agreed with the above quote and more or less what I was trying to say in simpler terms, but because I jump the conclusion to say that they may discontinue unprofitable tv service may not be a wise business decision on their part to pull the plug on it, fact is that right now more ppl are canceling it then subsribing to it. they've made ppl think its better and made ppl want what they cant have because its not in their area yet but once ppl catch wind that its actually worse then what they currently have (ie. comcast) and that they aren't missing anything by not having it intheir area then they wont have ppl wanting what they cant have intheir favor. or for those that stay in the dark to the reviews of the service, when they finally do get it intheir error will likely have it for less then a year as i did before canceling and going back.

will it be better then TWC in some areas , maybe and will a few ppl keep it because they are lazy or dont know any better sure. but all i can reiterate is that its the worst of the 3 main choices in my area. And thats not cus i'm anti verizon or pro anything else that is just facts right now based on hd channel offering and on demand etc. plus my opinion.

believe me , I wanted Fios to be better, but it wansn't and isn't getting any better any time soon. Maybe i'll come back to fios some day when they improve it and properly keep up with the competition. i'm not bias to any company or service, i just go what is best and for the money. I dont know why other ppl seem to be so defensive of fios.
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post #78 of 287
10/10/07 at 5:42am
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

ok what i can say for sure is that ppl that tried fios in pila area are migrating back to comcast in droves. And all I care about is my pesonal opinion after having both and at the same time and fios is a big loser flop.

what evidence do you have to back up that statement?

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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

so keep defending fios for some unknown reason but you can't deny it hasn't delivered after promising a lot

Not exactly sure what they promised you, but I get the same service I did with D* without the annoying environmental interruptions that came with DBS based service. Oh yeah and the SD is far and away better. I dispise cable so no comment there.


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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

believe me , I wanted Fios to be better, but it wansn't and isn't getting any better any time soon. Maybe i'll come back to fios some day when they improve it and properly keep up with the competition. i'm not bias to any company or service, i just go what is best and for the money. I dont know why other ppl seem to be so defensive of fios.

The only thing i see that FiOS is lacking behind is the additional HD channels that D* just delivered. and how long did they say "it was coming" before it actually got here?
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post #79 of 287
10/10/07 at 5:51am
I had Direct TV for 7 years and when I went HD, they wanted too much money and had too few channels to make it worthwhile. So I went to Comcast. My experience w/them is just like everyone else's on this thread, so I won't bore you w/my dissatisfaction w/Comcast. I was thrilled to get FIOS. The HD is great, the SD is better than Comcast (as is the service). Am I waiting for more HD? You bet. I am impatient and want everything in HD. I want everything in HD that every other cable provider carries as well. But it will happen when it happens. I am not switching back to Comcast and Direct TV just sent me a flyer for totally free installation and upgrades, blah, blah, blah. If Comcast is better for you, then keep it. It will probably take another 5 years until all of the channels are broadcast in HD. But until then, we will see new channels added in dribs and drabs.
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post #80 of 287
10/10/07 at 6:02am
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

i should hve been more specific. they are losing money on fios TV. that is from ppl insie he company.

keep in mind the 100's of millions they spent to build out the sytem from he ground up laying fiber in every neighborhood. they knew they had to get a ton of subscribers to even break even & steal more then half of all tv subscribers of one kind o another to make a profit. the havent done that & ppl in the phil area at last have been migrating back to comcast.

fio tv has been a money losing flop or the most part so they may eventually discontinue it.

they will prob go back to jut offering dtv with their internet & phone packages. there is no etf if you cancel fios tv as long s you keep your other internet b phone services & you can even get a discount when packaging dtv with those other services.

fios tv was a nice idea but it flopped so far & might be too little too late by the ime they ever improve. they made too big of pomies that they didnt fullfill b forgot to match the comptition first before claiming they ere bettr.


I am not sure where you are getting the flop comment from? As with all infrastructure projects the capital costs are high initially. However, verizon is doing very well in the areas they have subscriber agreements. In fact, they are doing better than forecasted.

I read an article a couple of months ago talking about the mad scramble all these communication companies are doing to get in your door. According to the article in the next couple of years 5-10 it will all be about getting content to the living room and bedroom TV... they described content as video and web. The companies that get into the living room and bedrooms will be the survivors, the ones that do not will fade away or get out of the business.
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post #81 of 287
10/10/07 at 6:14am
does anyone know where i can see fios will be added soon?
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post #82 of 287
10/10/07 at 6:40am
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I recently switched from Cablevision to Fios.
First off Fios claim they have the best picture is not true. Cablevision's picture in SD was better than Fios and HD was just as good.
Cablevision's HD selection 42 vs. 22 for Fios is also much better. Fios gives you WealthTV-HD (Yawn) and Food-HD (Double Yawn) while cablevision has all the old VOOM HD channels including UniversalHD MonsterHD MoviechannelHD and the GOLFHD channel (which is included in your Cablevision at no extra cost whereas everything in Fios is an extra fee). I had to watch the baseball playoffs in SD because TBS-HD is not available on FIOS even though on cable and satellite you can get it.
I pay about $20 more in surcharges and fees every month. Try to find an explanation for a "Video Franchise FEE" on their web site, good luck. Even when you call them about this fee they dont even explain it right.
And forget about equipment fees. With Cablevision I paid about $20 a month extra for equipment including DVR, now with FIOS I pay about $38 a month for the same amount of service almost doubled.
FIOS nickels and dimes you to death just like SIRSurcharge tells you in the commercial.
The only reason I switched companies was the phone service was terrible with Cablevision cause if you were on the phone and your intermet service froze your call went dead. All their remedies failed to work and the frustration level became to high.
FIOS needs to listen to their customers more instead of being in it "Only for the Money".
All's they can tell you is we are looking into everything which means nothing is being done
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post #83 of 287
10/10/07 at 6:58am
not to go off topic but how is Fios's internet connection?
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post #84 of 287
10/10/07 at 8:39am
It is not a flop right now in NOVA but they need to add at least hd vod to keep up , period.
The one thing that they don't want to do is get a bad reputation with the consumer, the other options, however some may view them, are far more established video providers. In other words, if FIOS looses customers in its infancy , getting them to return may be much harder than they think.

One major thing that FIOS has going for it is the superior internet connection, I think there might be a hesitation for consumers to switch video when they are so pleased with the internet.

It all boils down to a mix of price , quality and content. Right now they have 2 out of 3 so they will stay in the ballgame. But the content has to at least keep pace, and there is no question that it was told to many( like myself) repeatedly that fios would be the trend setter with it's unlimited bandwidth. With regards to this strategy to really over promise and under deliver, it is something that they have to be careful about. The consumer is fickle, people remember being lied to, especially when they had to have their yard dug up to install the product.

I think that the odd man out here is definitely Dish Network, I don't see how, with out sunday ticket and no other added value over d* how they can stay in the market place. I guess the government would intervene to enforce the Sherman Act in some way. But they definitely are a horrible place strategically.
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post #85 of 287
10/10/07 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by afiggatt View Post

I was not aware that PA, NJ, NY were in the south. VA on the other hand got the IMG in mid-August. The areas that did not get the buggy feature deficient IMG were PA, FL, TX, NJ, NY. They are now on the list of areas that will get the IMG "by the end of 2007". Those lucky bastards! See http://netservices.verizon.net/porta...em?case=c30701.

The 6416 crashed on me again last night. It was recording a program while I was watching another channel and crashed right at the time the recording was done. Thinking back, I might have been changing channels at that time, so the buggy software may have tried to switch tuners while one was closing out a recording session. Have to test this theory. Anyway, I have lost count of the number of crashes I have had with the new IMG, but I have lost only 1 or 2 recordings (and those may be due to bad guide data messing up series recordings).

I hope if Verizon has a new version that fixes some of the worse bugs, that they will give to the current IMG users first. If you have not gotten the new IMG yet, consider that a good thing.


I never said they were in the south. I said they already got it, thus the east coast reference. I'm in the south. No love here.

But thanks.
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post #86 of 287
10/10/07 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by RAVEN56706 View Post

not to go off topic but how is Fios's internet connection?

Excellent. Best in the business so far. I started with the 15 Mbit down /2 Mbit up in the Boston area, upgraded to 20/5 for the same price. I expect the next step up is 30/5. I pay $42 / month, there is a 5/2 plan for about $10 less (price of two beers?).

This is also the real speed (on a wired link) as metered by several programs, continuously. I had a supposed 8 Mbit down / 1 Mbit up link from Comcast for years that was actually a 2-3 Mbit down / 250k up most of the time. It never hit 6 never mind 8.
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post #87 of 287
10/10/07 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by Quatre View Post

ok what i can say for sure is that ppl that tried fios in pila area are migrating back to comcast in droves. And all I care about is my pesonal opinion after having both and at the same time and fios is a big loser flop.

so keep defending fios for some unknown reason but you can't deny it hasn't delivered after promising a lot

"That said, they have made key errors in judgement with regards to their competition. In my opinion, the most important thing to many hdtv owners is the ability to not have to watch shows that they like in HDTV. Quality of the hd or sd for that matter is secondary. At this point in time they are clearly behind DBS in terms of channel offerings in HD and compared to cable they don't have RSN's nationwide in HD or VOD in HD. This is a major issue. The question is, when will they address it?? Every month they sit around doing nothing they will dig a larger hole for themselves to dig out of. Consumers, including myself, love new technology but not at the expense of being the beta testers while we are paying for it."

agreed with the above quote and more or less what I was trying to say in simpler terms, but because I jump the conclusion to say that they may discontinue unprofitable tv service may not be a wise business decision on their part to pull the plug on it, fact is that right now more ppl are canceling it then subsribing to it. they've made ppl think its better and made ppl want what they cant have because its not in their area yet but once ppl catch wind that its actually worse then what they currently have (ie. comcast) and that they aren't missing anything by not having it intheir area then they wont have ppl wanting what they cant have intheir favor. or for those that stay in the dark to the reviews of the service, when they finally do get it intheir error will likely have it for less then a year as i did before canceling and going back.

will it be better then TWC in some areas , maybe and will a few ppl keep it because they are lazy or dont know any better sure. but all i can reiterate is that its the worst of the 3 main choices in my area. And thats not cus i'm anti verizon or pro anything else that is just facts right now based on hd channel offering and on demand etc. plus my opinion.

believe me , I wanted Fios to be better, but it wansn't and isn't getting any better any time soon. Maybe i'll come back to fios some day when they improve it and properly keep up with the competition. i'm not bias to any company or service, i just go what is best and for the money. I dont know why other ppl seem to be so defensive of fios.

Verizon is surpassing projections to the tune of possibly meeting its 4 million subs goal a year ahead of schedule. That doesn't sound like a flop to me.
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post #88 of 287
10/10/07 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Rein View Post

Still no new guide here. It was due out in August, no September, no October. Just release it already. The East coast already has it. No love for the south I guess.

Hey Chris, we don't have it in N.Y. either...so you're not alone. To be honest, I don't even think about it anymore. They've missed so many dates, I just assume what I have is what I'll get.
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post #89 of 287
10/10/07 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by tstatguy112 View Post

[I recently switched from Cablevision to Fios.
First off Fios claim they have the best picture is not true. Cablevision's picture in SD was better than Fios and HD was just as good.

Having had Cablevision and now FIOS, I can't agree. Although I'm frustrated by what I hear regarding additional HD, there's no way that Cablevision's I/O digital SD was better than FIOS.
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post #90 of 287
10/10/07 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

I have FIOS available and this is exactly why I chose D* for the next 2 years. FIOS is not the place to be yet folks. Its gonna take them awhile to add the channels and to upgrade that POS DVR they have. There is no guarantee that verizon is not more interested in SD customers at this point. That is where the money and numbers are.

Hey Vurbano, is that YOU...defending D*. I've been with you all along regarding D*'s miserable compression and down-rezzing. I've been extremely pleased with FIOS after having D* for so many years. It's only very recently I've become disgruntled with the lack of new HD from FIOS. But, until D* moves some very very popular HD channels to Mpeg4, I have some serious doubts about switching back.

I'm only guessing, but I bet by the time D* switches all their Mpeg2 to Mpeg4, FIOS will have all the new HD channels. We shall see.
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