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Best Buy named leading high-def retailer

Amazon, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, Target in Top 5
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 10/5/2007
OCT. 5 | Best Buy has emerged as the leading retailer of Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD titles by a wide margin, easily topping DVD-dominant Wal-Mart, according to the NPD Group.

Wal-Mart carries a third-place share of the high-definition software market, followed by Circuit City and Target. Amazon.com sits in second.

NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots.

Best Buy's fanboy and fangirl consumer base, coupled with its commitment to customer service, has boosted the chain's high-def performance, said Brian Lucas, spokesman for the chain.

We generally have an audience that loves movies, where they are not casual fans, and these people are likely to have a great home theater experience, said Lucas. As one of the market leaders in HDTV sales, our customers tend to understand high-def more than the average consumer.

Lucas noted that Best Buy's blue-shirt' staff regularly talk to customers about the incompatibility between Blu-ray and HD DVD, and he said that honesty has encouraged consumer interest in high-def.

Similarly, Amazon.com management chalks up its high-def market strength to its informational approach to merchandising.

There has been much written in recent days about customer confusion surrounding high-definition, Amazon.com spokeswoman Tammy Hovey said. In order to address this need and ensure that our customers can make the best educated buying decisions, we've recently opened the Hi-Def 101 Customer Knowledge Center. Hi-Def 101 is a one-stop education and shopping destination that allows visitors to explore a comprehensive lineup of high-def categories, including HDTVs, movie players, game systems, PC options, accessories and movies, while getting the facts on how to high-def' their homes.

Also, since the launch of Blu-ray and HD DVD last year, Best Buy has steadily opened up more shelf space to high-def. With its virtual shelves, Amazon.com boasts one of the most extensive selections of Blu-ray and HD DVD, as well.

Both Best Buy and Amazon.com also have frequently rolled out high-def promotions, further underscoring their Blu-ray and HD DVD offerings. Best Buy shoppers can score nine free HD DVDs with purchase of the $399 Toshiba player. At Amazon.com, customers can now get seven HD DVDs and seven Blu-ray titles for free with purchase of certain accompanying players.

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6487731.html
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Best Buy outsells Amazon?! I must say I'm a bit surprised given the much higher prices at BB but I guess most people would rather just purchase the movies they want in person.
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Target?

Target doesn't even carry a 1080P HDTV or HD standalone player in store.
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Hmmmmm . . . .

Wal-Mart is not included in the Nielsen numbers.
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So most people are overpaying for their HD movies by alot. Best Buy is rarely the "best buy". They usually have a price $10 higher than what i can get it for at Amazon.
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Lucas noted that Best Buy’s ‘blue-shirt’ staff regularly talk to customers about the incompatibility between Blu-ray and HD DVD, and he said that honesty has encouraged consumer interest in high-def.

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are. BB blue shirts & honesty in the same sentence (more like clueless than honest).
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So most people are overpaying for their HD movies by alot. Best Buy is rarely the "best buy". They usually have a price $10 higher than what i can get it for at Amazon.

Exactly what I was thinking as well. I've only bought a couple there on price matches. Fry's has much better pricing but obviously they aren't as big of a chain.
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

We generally have an audience that loves movies, where they are not casual fans, and these people are likely to have a great home theater experience, said Lucas. As one of the market leaders in HDTV sales, our customers tend to understand high-def more than the average consumer.

This is hilarious - didn't they just do a survey of a whopping 1,012 people that showed their consumers are either clueless or indifferent when it comes to HDM?
post #9 of 60
Yech... friends don't let friends buy from Best Buy.
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NPD declined to report specific unit sales shares for each of the retailers but noted that Best Buy is far in front. Amazon.com and the rest are mostly clustered together for the second through fifth spots.

Very hard to believe this statement.

All the hard and anecdotal evidence reported here on AVSforum for HiDef disc buying patterns, both blu boys and red boys alike, points to Amazon.com as being the king of the hill in HiDef disc sales, B&M retailers like Walmart and Target a non factor, BB and CC somewhere in the middle.

What gives? Are we soooo conceded to think AVS knows best or is there something fishy with the NPD statement? Methinks the later.
post #11 of 60
Two things that pop out for me:

1. Target??!!!!! their selection is horrible! I own more titles than they carry!

2. It's too bad Fry's isn't everywhere, they'd be top 2, their prices and selection are great.
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

Very hard to believe this statement.

All the hard and anecdotal evidence reported here on AVSforum for HiDef disc buying patterns, both blu boys and red boys alike, points to Amazon.com as being the king of the hill in HiDef disc sales, B&M retailers like Walmart and Target a non factor, BB and CC somewhere in the middle.

What gives? Are we soooo conceded to think AVS knows best or is there something fishy with the NPD statement? Methinks the later.

It just goes to prove that what people here at AVS do is not indicative of what the majority do. No surprise at all.

Online only represents 16% of total DVD sales. Why should it be ANY different with HDM sales?

It also shows that "mirror thinking" does not hold up - what you see in the mirror is not what everyone else is doing.
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Originally Posted by hdhabit View Post

Best Buy outsells Amazon?! I must say I'm a bit surprised given the much higher prices at BB but I guess most people would rather just purchase the movies they want in person.

I was thinking the same thing. I bought one HDM at BB once, and that was the last time. Their prices are at least five dollars higher than Fry's or Amazon. People that buy their movies at BB are getting ripped off.
post #14 of 60
not surprised, best buy has made the most tv commercials regarding hi-def, obviously that's where j6p will go to for hi-def even tho frys seem to offer better prices and variety.

also note this is hi-def retailer, i believe that includes hardware as well.

best buy's tv ads make j6p feel comfortable shopping there, they explain everythign and do installs. good ads.
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

Very hard to believe this statement.

All the hard and anecdotal evidence reported here on AVSforum for HiDef disc buying patterns, both blu boys and red boys alike, points to Amazon.com as being the king of the hill in HiDef disc sales, B&M retailers like Walmart and Target a non factor, BB and CC somewhere in the middle.

What gives? Are we soooo conceded to think AVS knows best or is there something fishy with the NPD statement? Methinks the later.

Well, all I can say about Amazon's numbers is they seem to be off according to Nielsen. Last week, Underworld & Knocked Up were almost dead-even in sales rank on Amazon when they were released last week, with Knocked Up only being a couple spots above Underworld. This caused me in my prediction for the sales week to believe Underworld would come close to matching Knocked Up in sales because Knocked Up was a comedy, and comedies usually aren't big high def salers, and while although Underworld was a catalog title, it was a title made for high-def. However, Knocked Up ended up outselling Underworld in about a 5 to 1 ratio, while Amazon made it look like it was more like a 1.2 to 1 ratio.

So obviously, it looks like a lot of people are not buying their high def titles at Amazon...
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Originally Posted by mswoods1 View Post

Well, all I can say about Amazon's numbers is they seem to be off according to Nielsen. Last week, Underworld & Knocked Up were almost dead-even in sales rank on Amazon when they were released last week, with Knocked Up only being a couple spots above Underworld. This caused me in my prediction for the sales week to believe Underworld would come close to matching Knocked Up in sales because Knocked Up was a comedy, and comedies usually aren't big high def salers, and while although Underworld was a catalog title, it was a title made for high-def. However, Knocked Up ended up outselling Underworld in about a 5 to 1 ratio, while Amazon made it look like it was more like a 1.2 to 1 ratio.

So obviously, it looks like a lot of people are not buying their high def titles at Amazon...

Does Nielsen's Videoscan take into account Amazon? I know Walmart is not included.
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Originally Posted by Robert Spalding View Post

Does Nielsen's Videoscan take into account Amazon? I know Walmart is not included.

Yes
post #18 of 60
Target's supply IS horrible. It's funny to think moving from 2-4 rows of Blu-ray movies makes Target the new wonderful pusher of BD. Especially when the entire HDM section is usually buried somewhere in the overall DVD section where you have to look to find it. Then good luck on EITHER side trying to find a new release for HD or BD. Target doesn't apparently believe in that.

Wal-Mart is at least putting out the dual displays to let the customer decide which to get without influence. I think that's what they were doing over here at my local Wal-Mart this week. They're moving the entire entertainment section to the middle of the store, and I saw part of the display with every torn apart and moved.

Best Buy has gotten much better with parity between the two. The movie sections are always well stocked. Unfortunately as everyone else points out, their prices are horrible. But then they always were. I remember they were still one of the last holdouts of the $24.99 DVD back in the day.

Still, unless I get a gift card from someone for Best Buy, I always buy my movies from Amazon. That said, I got a gift card for my Birthday, so I can go pick up either Knocked Up or Planet Earth this weekend!
post #19 of 60
No wonder HDM sales are lagging. If I were paying $40 a disc from Worst Buy I wouldn't be buying anything either.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So most people are overpaying for their HD movies by alot. Best Buy is rarely the "best buy". They usually have a price $10 higher than what i can get it for at Amazon.

The local Busted Buy matches Amazon's prices for me. If they stop, all my purchases will go back to Amazon.


$35 dollar discs = unacceptable
post #21 of 60
I get my hardware from BB as opposed to online retailers because the return process is easier(not by much though), the only time I buy a movie there is when the dreaded "must have this NOW in HD" urge hits. And it hits a lot because I pass a BB every day on the way to work. I do try to preorder from amazon to curb the urge.
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

It just goes to prove that what people here at AVS do is not indicative of what the majority do. No surprise at all.

Online only represents 16% of total DVD sales. Why should it be ANY different with HDM sales?

It also shows that "mirror thinking" does not hold up - what you see in the mirror is not what everyone else is doing.

exactly. AVS folk aren't the average consumer. Most of those people either don't know it's cheaper on amazon, or think of it as a hassle and would rather just go to a local store. This isn't surprising at all, and like someone else said..no wonder sales are lagging when those stores often have ridiculous prices.
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Originally Posted by Rachael Bellomy View Post

The local Busted Buy matches Amazon's prices for me. If they stop, all my purchases will go back to Amazon.


$35 dollar discs = unacceptable

WOW out of 10 BB's I have been to, they have never ever once done that for me.
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Originally Posted by Michael Mullis View Post

Target's supply IS horrible. It's funny to think moving from 2-4 rows of Blu-ray movies makes Target the new wonderful pusher of BD. Especially when the entire HDM section is usually buried somewhere in the overall DVD section where you have to look to find it. Then good luck on EITHER side trying to find a new release for HD or BD. Target doesn't apparently believe in that.

Wal-Mart is at least putting out the dual displays to let the customer decide which to get without influence. I think that's what they were doing over here at my local Wal-Mart this week. They're moving the entire entertainment section to the middle of the store, and I saw part of the display with every torn apart and moved.

Best Buy has gotten much better with parity between the two. The movie sections are always well stocked. Unfortunately as everyone else points out, their prices are horrible. But then they always were. I remember they were still one of the last holdouts of the $24.99 DVD back in the day.

Still, unless I get a gift card from someone for Best Buy, I always buy my movies from Amazon. That said, I got a gift card for my Birthday, so I can go pick up either Knocked Up or Planet Earth this weekend!

Get Planet Earth
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Originally Posted by hdhabit View Post

Best Buy outsells Amazon?! I must say I'm a bit surprised given the much higher prices at BB but I guess most people would rather just purchase the movies they want in person.

I suspect that the average "J12P" still goes to B&M locations for most purchases. This is where I see HD-DVD having an edge in the near future with the Venturer and clear out prices on the second gen HD-DVD players.
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Originally Posted by mswoods1 View Post

Well, all I can say about Amazon's numbers is they seem to be off according to Nielsen. Last week, Underworld & Knocked Up were almost dead-even in sales rank on Amazon when they were released last week, with Knocked Up only being a couple spots above Underworld. This caused me in my prediction for the sales week to believe Underworld would come close to matching Knocked Up in sales because Knocked Up was a comedy, and comedies usually aren't big high def salers, and while although Underworld was a catalog title, it was a title made for high-def. However, Knocked Up ended up outselling Underworld in about a 5 to 1 ratio, while Amazon made it look like it was more like a 1.2 to 1 ratio.

So obviously, it looks like a lot of people are not buying their high def titles at Amazon...

Which is why I've always been skeptical about folks on here using Amazon sales ratings to say which format is doing better.
post #27 of 60
lee has it absolutely right. we here at avs are a non representative minoriy. what we say and do has a rther small, if any, effect at all.

why are people surprised at target's presence on the list. it is a huge retailer, and if the numbers are right HDM sells maybe 100k discs a month. target wouldn't need to sell many discs to make the top 5.
post #28 of 60
If Best Buy is leading the High-Def revolution, I think I'm going to cry.

And as a point of reference, I didn't cry when I stepped on a nail and it went through my foot....actually that may have been because of the shock and the same thing might save me here too.
post #29 of 60
Wal-Mart is beating Circuit City? Ouch
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Originally Posted by GmanAVS View Post

Very hard to believe this statement.

All the hard and anecdotal evidence reported here on AVSforum for HiDef disc buying patterns, both blu boys and red boys alike, points to Amazon.com as being the king of the hill in HiDef disc sales, B&M retailers like Walmart and Target a non factor, BB and CC somewhere in the middle.

What gives? Are we soooo conceded to think AVS knows best or is there something fishy with the NPD statement? Methinks the later.

Im leaning to the first part. This site includes the most minority versions of the minority group that is HD. I had never heard of Amazon till I found this site. The people on this site think they know all and they are in the majority but they are dead wrong.
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