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post #151 of 2680
I agree War sounded very nice. I also liked TMNT I think it deserves to be in the tier 1 catagory. But I hope they release more movies that won Oscars for sound on BD. That way we can have a very good bar for judging the Audio tiers for this site
post #152 of 2680
Another factor I consider important when evaluating audio tracks is the dialog presentation across the frontal soundstage. In many movies, the dialog remains rooted to the center channel even when the characters are positioned slightly left or right of center. On good mixes, the dialog is properly balanced so that the voice actually seems to come from the appropriate position. A good example of proper dialog presentation is in Cars, where multiple voices all occupy their own "space", and are not all sent generically from absolute center.

Since I hadn't heard this mentioned before, I thought I'd throw my two cents' worth in.

Equipment:

B&W801D (L,R)
B&W HTM1-D (C)
B&W CWM8180 (surrounds for 6.1)
Krell Evolution 403 (fronts & center)
Denon AVR4806 (pre/pro and surround amps)
Denon 3930CI
Samsung BD-P1000
Pioneer PRO1540HD 60" plasma

I'm mostly an audio guy, but home theater is really growing on me. I have about 40 BDs, and still counting. Looking at the Denon 3800BDCI soon.

Thanks,

Lee
post #153 of 2680
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Originally Posted by RBFC View Post

Another factor I consider important when evaluating audio tracks is the dialog presentation across the frontal soundstage. In many movies, the dialog remains rooted to the center channel even when the characters are positioned slightly left or right of center. On good mixes, the dialog is properly balanced so that the voice actually seems to come from the appropriate position. A good example of proper dialog presentation is in Cars, where multiple voices all occupy their own "space", and are not all sent generically from absolute center.

Since I hadn't heard this mentioned before, I thought I'd throw my two cents' worth in.

Equipment:

B&W801D (L,R)
B&W HTM1-D (C)
B&W CWM8180 (surrounds for 6.1)
Krell Evolution 403 (fronts & center)
Denon AVR4806 (pre/pro and surround amps)
Denon 3930CI
Samsung BD-P1000
Pioneer PRO1540HD 60" plasma

I'm mostly an audio guy, but home theater is really growing on me. I have about 40 BDs, and still counting. Looking at the Denon 3800BDCI soon.

Thanks,

Lee

Almost all if not all Pixar films features that. However very few live action film does. I guess most director consider that "distracting". Don't forget pretty much all of the films today get a "home remix" since the obvious size and set up differences between the cinemas and HTs.
post #154 of 2680
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Almost all if not all Pixar films features that. However very few live action film does. I guess most director consider that "distracting". Don't forget pretty much all of the films today get a "home remix" since the obvious size and set up differences between the cinemas and HTs.

Good point. I have heard this effect on some of the movies I've watched, though. I'll pay closer attention and post about which ones have dialogue panning when I can.

Thanks,

Lee
post #155 of 2680
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Almost all if not all Pixar films features that. However very few live action film does. I guess most director consider that "distracting". Don't forget pretty much all of the films today get a "home remix" since the obvious size and set up differences between the cinemas and HTs.

I hate "distracting" as the reason used by directors, particularly in comedies, to dumb down audio.

Yeah, like the joke will be less funny if there are ambient sounds in all speakers. I seem to follow a joke at a comedy club with all kinds of noises around me.

If the visual of an explosion on the screen are not too distracting to be used -- or fades or quick cuts -- then surround sound should always be used.

If someone moves to the left of the screen, the sound SHOULD also move to the left. Leaving it locked to the center isn't less distracting -- its less realistic.

I don't care whether its animation, action, comedy or drama. Sound should operate the same and in a natural way. Just cause its a comedy doesn't mean no surround ambience, effects or LFE blasts.
post #156 of 2680
I watched Blood Diamond this weekend (pcm) and I would place it in Tier 1. It sounded good, there were a few scenes that had me rewinding to hear them again (helicopter coming from the rear surround to the side surround to the right front for example), but I wouldn't rank it as high as some of the other Tier 0's that I have heard.

Denon 2807
Rotel RB 985 amp
Monitor audio silver series speakers
Axiom Qs8 surrounds (7.1 system total)
Dual HSU HO and MBM
PS3
post #157 of 2680
This is my first post in this thread (Can't believe I have missed it until now).

Very happy to see many titles in Tier 0 that deserve to be there, including Chris Botti, Legends of Jazz, and Immortal Beloved.

I am pleased to see Apocalypto being praised and placed at number 11, but I would put it even higher....right near the number 1 spot. Superb SQ, and one of the best sound mixes I have ever heard. Simply amazing!

Anthem Statement D2
Sherbourn 7 x 200 watt amp
Monitor Audio Gold Reference speakers
HSU and SVS subwoofers
post #158 of 2680
Rob, unlike the PQ thread, I don't think these are rated from the best to the worst (with the exception of Underworld which has been selected as the best)

Correct me if I am wrong though guys.
post #159 of 2680
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Rob, unlike the PQ thread, I don't think these are rated from the best to the worst (with the exception of Underworld which has been selected as the best)

Correct me if I am wrong though guys.

If true, then they should be alphabetized!
post #160 of 2680
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

If true, then they should be alphabetized!

Leaving one less thing to disagree about . . .
post #161 of 2680
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

If true, then they should be alphabetized!

Agreed, if we aren't going to rank them from best to worst then alphabatized would make the most sense.

How does everyone else feel about this?
post #162 of 2680
Where the heck is 3:10 to Yuma?!

Hasn't anyone nominated this one yet?

Good gracious!!!!! Put it at the top!!!!! Stat!!!
post #163 of 2680
I find the sound mixing on Blackhawk Down superior to Underworld. It has amazing separation in those hectic battle sequences, which makes it tops in my book. It didn't win the oscar for nothing.

My Audio Equipment is as follows:

Yamaha 6060 preout to
NAD 216 THX amplifier
Energy Reference 30
Energy Reference LCR
Energy Reference RCR
Energy S10.3
post #164 of 2680
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Rob, unlike the PQ thread, I don't think these are rated from the best to the worst (with the exception of Underworld which has been selected as the best)

Correct me if I am wrong though guys.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

If true, then they should be alphabetized!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Agreed, if we aren't going to rank them from best to worst then alphabatized would make the most sense.

How does everyone else feel about this?

will work on alphabetizing, i think if i do that i will stop numbering the entries.
post #165 of 2680
Thread Starter 
updated
post #166 of 2680
Can someone tell me what the (2) at the end of several titles on page 1 means?
post #167 of 2680
Sweet thread. I agree that it seems that there should be more division, but it also may just be that people only feel the need to post when they hear an awesome track.... Like I am about to do right now!

I suggest Pan's Labyrinth for Tier 0 (DTS core).
post #168 of 2680
Transporter [DTS HD MA) Tier 2 The reason for that is dialog was drowned out on several scenes mostly at the first 30 mins or so, and dynamics of larger explosions were just puny, much like TV broadcasts.Bass was much louder on the score, which should be the other way around. The mix itself was just average for this type of movie, which gives a lot of opportunity to "shine" but the filmakers just gave us a less then stellar one instead.


Transporter2 (DTS HD MA) Tier 0 Now this is more like it! All my complaints from the previous film vanished on this one. Dialog effects music were all clear and balanced, with very good dynamics this time around. Surround coverage seemed more "alive" this time as well without sounding gimmicky. An all around excellent track.
post #169 of 2680
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

updated

I've rated The Descent, Troy [Director's cut] 2 pages ago, and I don't see them on the list.
post #170 of 2680
Mr&Mrs Smith (DTS HD MA) Tier 0 Another excellent track from Fox and director Doug Liman [Bourne Identity]. There is simply nothing to complain about here, a true fun ride with some excellent sound effects bass and dynamics. I must say that Fox is just releasing some of the best sounding and mixed titles with their choice of lossless compression, we're being spoiled my friends.
post #171 of 2680
Looks like Disney for PQ and Fox for AQ
post #172 of 2680
No love for Sunshine?
post #173 of 2680
I just bought it on Ebay, as soon as get it will post my comments on it.
post #174 of 2680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

Can someone tell me what the (2) at the end of several titles on page 1 means?

2 ppl voted for the title to be in that tier.
post #175 of 2680
Finally got a chance to watch War last night as it has been hard to rent. Well I wasted my time waiting that is for sure. I should have just bought it!

This is a GREAT BD! I loved the movie and the PQ wasn't anything which turned me off though I've seen better.

Live Free Or Die Hard and Xmen Last Stand were the two best movies for sound that I've heard. Throw this one right up there and even if you don't have 7.1, I bet you will not be disappointed. The dialog, surrounds, soundstage, etc. were all well done. There should be more like this one hopefully in the future. 3:10 To Yuma is good but this one is exception for 7.1!
post #176 of 2680
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Transporter [DTS HD MA) Tier 2 The reason for that is dialog was drowned out on several scenes mostly at the first 30 mins or so, and dynamics of larger explosions were just puny, much like TV broadcasts.Bass was much louder on the score, which should be the other way around. The mix itself was just average for this type of movie, which gives a lot of opportunity to "shine" but the filmakers just gave us a less then stellar one instead.


Transporter2 (DTS HD MA) Tier 0 Now this is more like it! All my complaints from the previous film vanished on this one. Dialog effects music were all clear and balanced, with very good dynamics this time around. Surround coverage seemed more "alive" this time as well without sounding gimmicky. An all around excellent track.

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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

I've rated The Descent, Troy [Director's cut] 2 pages ago, and I don't see them on the list.

updated, moved transporter to tier1 since you said 2 and someone else said 0. seems AQ can be rather subjective. what pleases one may be garbage to another. it's not like in pq where evidence of EE or DNR automatically takes points off the score. take AC/DC for example. one person thinks it lacks bass while another may think the bass is just fine. another issue would be what if that was the bass level at the concert itself and the audio on disc is simply a perfect transfer of what was present at the actual concert?
post #177 of 2680
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Finally got a chance to watch War last night as it has been hard to rent. Well I wasted my time waiting that is for sure. I should have just bought it!

This is a GREAT BD! I loved the movie and the PQ wasn't anything which turned me off though I've seen better.

Live Free Or Die Hard and Xmen Last Stand were the two best movies for sound that I've heard. Throw this one right up there and even if you don't have 7.1, I bet you will not be disappointed. The dialog, surrounds, soundstage, etc. were all well done. There should be more like this one hopefully in the future. 3:10 To Yuma is good but this one is exception for 7.1!

i tried to like War simply b/c it had Jet Li and Jason Statham in one movie and then there's that call girl... but i can't see myself buying this one, the movie was boring for me.
post #178 of 2680
Thread Starter 
what do you guys think about this?

Boldface and all caps the titles in Tier0 that are undisputed Tier 0 titles. Titles like Black Hawk Down where no one has ranked below tier 0 and always show up on lists of ppl listing their top audio titles would qualify.

what are some of the other titles you guys would suggest deserve this cream of the crop treatment? i'd vote Underworld and House of Flying Daggers but i think there were a few ppl who thought they were tier 1 titles at best if not tier 2.
post #179 of 2680
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

what do you guys think about this?

Boldface and all caps the titles in Tier0 that are undisputed Tier 0 titles. Titles like Black Hawk Down where no one has ranked below tier 0 and always show up on lists of ppl listing their top audio titles would qualify.

what are some of the other titles you guys would suggest deserve this cream of the crop treatment? i'd vote Underworld and House of Flying Daggers but i think there were a few ppl who thought they were tier 1 titles at best if not tier 2.

Good idea, it gives the cream of the crop a way to stand out. I haven't seen the movie yet but I have read/heard (like mentioned above) that War is among the best for audio quality out right now.

War is in my Netflix que, once I give it a listen I will give my impression
post #180 of 2680
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Originally Posted by jkcheng122 View Post

updated, moved transporter to tier1 since you said 2 and someone else said 0. seems AQ can be rather subjective. what pleases one may be garbage to another. it's not like in pq where evidence of EE or DNR automatically takes points off the score. take AC/DC for example. one person thinks it lacks bass while another may think the bass is just fine. another issue would be what if that was the bass level at the concert itself and the audio on disc is simply a perfect transfer of what was present at the actual concert?

I know it's subjective, and just like PQ is highly dependant on equipment as well. BTW it was my opinion that the bass was thin on the AC/DC BD concert disc. My rig is also calibrated, and I don't set my subs "hot" like many people admittedly do.

Kris Deering also thought the bass was a bit thin too I don't always agree with him but this time I did.

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