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post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
I stopped reading about TV's a couple of years ago so I'm clueless right now. Please forgive me if any of these questions sound stupid. Have they resolved the burn in issues with plasma? Buying a TV tomorrow and can be no bigger than 46-inches. Max budget is $2500 so please suggest what models I should focus on. Thanks.
post #2 of 48
you can get the Panasonic 50pz750u, that's what I would get if I had your budget, it's one fine PDP, and in regards to burn in and PDP's, it's a thing of the past, but in reality never was an issue. I have a 4 year old Philips Alis panel 42" PDP with no burn in whatsoever, moved it to my bedroom and got a 50" Pioneer for my living room.
post #3 of 48
All of this year's Panasonic plasma panels are made with the "shifting pixel" feature, so your image is never truly static. Remember to "break in" the set during first 150-200 hours of use, by lowering the brightness and contrast (picture) settings, and don't view in either "Vivid" or "Dynamic" modes, and keep all 4:3 content enhanced to fill the secreen, with the "Just" viewing mode.

For under $2500, Costco offers a 1080p 50" Panasonic plasma right now (online site). Also, any of the current 720p 50" plasmas from most manufacturers [except Pioneer, Fujitsu, NEC, and a few Hitachi models] can be had at retail for less than $2500. Have fun in buying your display, and enjoy!
post #4 of 48
The problem with you 2 recommending a 50" plasma is that it cant be any bigger than 46". I swear no one reads a complete post any more before posting their reply. These are the dimensions for the pz750u Dimensions (H x W x D)31.6'' x 49.9'' x 5.5''

Now if cant be more than 46" in height he is all set but my money on the 46" is that its the width he is mentioning. so unless you can squeeze 49.9" in a 46" space he needs to look at a 42" PDP or if he wants bigger needs to go to LCD.

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...00000000005702

Thats Panasonics website. IMO can't go wrong with a Panny PDP regardless of size.
post #5 of 48
If 46" is his maximum why are we recommending 50" displays? If you want plasma then go with the Panasonic 42PX75 for under $1400. Burn in is still mentioned in plasma owners manuals. If you want bigger then 42" then look at the highest rated Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, or Sharp LCD that fits your budget. The only plasma under 50" is the 42".
post #6 of 48
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Originally Posted by CO1 View Post

I stopped reading about TV's a couple of years ago so I'm clueless right now. Please forgive me if any of these questions sound stupid. Have they resolved the burn in issues with plasma? Buying a TV tomorrow and can be no bigger than 46-inches. Max budget is $2500 so please suggest what models I should focus on. Thanks.

Nothing like waiting till the last minute to ask for guidance on such a big purchase

It's difficult for us to recommend the perfect TV without knowing things like your exact viewing distance, source material, lighting conditions in your room etc.

Presuming you cannot stretch your size limit to a 50" set, i would look at the Panasonic TH-42PZ700U if reflections aren't a problem, but if glare and reflection will be a problem then look at the TH-42PZ77U (which has an LCD-like Anti-Glare screen). I've seen the PZ77U a few times now and i think the PZ700U has a slightly better picture, but is more reflective. These are several hundred dollars below your max, and the PX75U models are a few hundred less again but don't have as good of picture quality as the 1080p sets - and it doesn't look like you're trying to go cheap so don't bother with the entry level model.

If you sit more than say 8 feet from the screen then the Pioneer PDP-4280HD is a penny below your max budget at BB right now and is a great set. The only reason i chose a 42PZ700U over a 4280HD is because i see SDE on the 4280HD, but i was willing to spend the extra money. However the 42PZ700U has a fantastic picture and no SDE at all.

If you can go with a 50", there is probably no need to pick a 50PZ750 over a regular 50PZ700 as the extra features probably aren't worth the extra price and besides, you'd be hard pressed to find a 50PZ750 at your budget.
post #7 of 48
What is important to you besides size? Are you connecting a PC to the display? As far as LCD, consider Sharp and Samsung. For plasma, check out Samsung, Panasonic, and Pioneer in their 42" versions.

Chris
post #8 of 48
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys. Looks like it's either the 42PZ700U or the TH-42PZ77U. Sorry I didn't make myself clear, the TV is for my brother who just called me today. I could never go back to watching something this small.
post #9 of 48
Is 1080p important to him? He may want to check out the Pioneer 4280 as well.

Chris
post #10 of 48
Don't get the Samsung if glare is a problem! They had one in a store in Fla. and it was in the sunlit area. Because of the shiny screen and frame, I couldn't even see the picture. The glare was worse than a bad plasma. Sony doesn't make plasma anymore and the Panasonic and Pioneer are great, with the Pioneer being much more reasonably priced through one of their online retailers (you must use one of their approved retailers or online people to keep the warranty). Pioneer has a lot of bells and whistles and a beautiful picture. I think the anti-glare screen on the Panasonic is thought to be be better. Good luck.
post #11 of 48
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Originally Posted by maureeng View Post

Don't get the Samsung if glare is a problem! They had one in a store in Fla. and it was in the sunlit area. Because of the shiny screen and frame, I couldn't even see the picture. The glare was worse than a bad plasma. Sony doesn't make plasma anymore and the Panasonic and Pioneer are great, with the Pioneer being much more reasonably priced through one of their online retailers (you must use one of their approved retailers or online people to keep the warranty). Pioneer has a lot of bells and whistles and a beautiful picture. I think the anti-glare screen on the Panasonic is thought to be be better. Good luck.

Pioneer and reasonable price in the same sentence.....Theres an oxymoron if I ever heard one
post #12 of 48
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Nothing like waiting till the last minute to ask for guidance on such a big purchase

It's difficult for us to recommend the perfect TV without knowing things like your exact viewing distance, source material, lighting conditions in your room etc.

Presuming you cannot stretch your size limit to a 50" set, i would look at the Panasonic TH-42PZ700U if reflections aren't a problem, but if glare and reflection will be a problem then look at the TH-42PZ77U (which has an LCD-like Anti-Glare screen). I've seen the PZ77U a few times now and i think the PZ700U has a slightly better picture, but is more reflective. These are several hundred dollars below your max, and the PX75U models are a few hundred less again but don't have as good of picture quality as the 1080p sets - and it doesn't look like you're trying to go cheap so don't bother with the entry level model.

If you sit more than say 8 feet from the screen then the Pioneer PDP-4280HD is a penny below your max budget at BB right now and is a great set. The only reason i chose a 42PZ700U over a 4280HD is because i see SDE on the 4280HD, but i was willing to spend the extra money. However the 42PZ700U has a fantastic picture and no SDE at all.

If you can go with a 50", there is probably no need to pick a 50PZ750 over a regular 50PZ700 as the extra features probably aren't worth the extra price and besides, you'd be hard pressed to find a 50PZ750 at your budget.

SDE? .. are you referring to Screen Door Effect? I would think the Panasonic would suffer from that as opposed to the Pioneer. The Pioneer's video processing is far better than the Panasonic.
post #13 of 48
The higher the resolution the less SDE. It doesn't matter who's name is on the display.
post #14 of 48
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Originally Posted by dieselgg View Post

SDE? .. are you referring to Screen Door Effect? I would think the Panasonic would suffer from that as opposed to the Pioneer. The Pioneer's video processing is far better than the Panasonic.

I agree with Andy. SDE is a funcition that has more to do with resolution rather than processing. Video processing has more to do with how smooth an object appears on-screen, pans, motion blur, judder, etc. About a year ago everyone raved about the 60U/600U/650U, but now that Pioneer has released their new Kuro series everyone believes Panasonic has an inferior product. That is a false statement. Take a look at these photos within this thread. These pics look spectacular. However, the source has everything to do with rendering the image, in which is a function of video processing.

Chris
post #15 of 48
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Originally Posted by dieselgg View Post

SDE? .. are you referring to Screen Door Effect? I would think the Panasonic would suffer from that as opposed to the Pioneer. The Pioneer's video processing is far better than the Panasonic.

Yeah yeah yeah everything about a Pioneer is superior to anything on the market. They are so superior thats why Sharp has bailed them out
post #16 of 48
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Originally Posted by dieselgg View Post

SDE? .. are you referring to Screen Door Effect? I would think the Panasonic would suffer from that as opposed to the Pioneer. The Pioneer's video processing is far better than the Panasonic.

Yes, Screen Door Effect. I know the Pioneer has superior video processing than the Panasonics, but that cannot overcome the physical size of the pixels on their 768p sets. Believe me, i wanted to buy a Pioneer 4280HD but the SDE was every bit as prevalent as it was on the Panasonic PX75U 768p set as well as my own PX50U and it was unacceptable. I was sick of seeing SDE at home on my 768p set and after scrutinizing the PZ700 series and realizing that it's video processing was still very good and the fact that it had zero SDE i made an about face and chose the 1080p Panny instead. SDE would have killed my viewing pleasure had i gotten the 4280HD so there was no sense in spending $700 more for a TV that didn't suit my viewing environment. The processing and the black levels are plenty good enough on my PZ700U and i'm extremely happy with it. If Pioneer offered a 1080p 42" Plasma i probably would have bought one sight-unseen but they don't so i didn't.
post #17 of 48
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Originally Posted by phipp01 View Post

Pioneer and reasonable price in the same sentence.....Theres an oxymoron if I ever heard one

It is an oxymoron. Pioneer is pricey, but I did get some far better prices online.

Pioneer is losing money. Their sets are expensive. That FHD1 was only a monitor and that seemed like a bad idea. They don't advertise well. It still has a great picture.
post #18 of 48
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Originally Posted by maureeng View Post

It is an oxymoron. Pioneer is pricey, but I did get some far better prices online.

Pioneer is losing money. Their sets are expensive. That FHD1 was only a monitor and that seemed like a bad idea. They don't advertise well. It still has a great picture.

Yeah they are losing money and thats why they needed Sharp to bail them out.
post #19 of 48
Save your money and buy the Pioneer. Needed a 50 and the Pioneer Pro 1150 HD is the best picture on a plasma I have ever seen...which is why I just bought one.

elvis
post #20 of 48
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Yes, Screen Door Effect. I know the Pioneer has superior video processing than the Panasonics, but that cannot overcome the physical size of the pixels on their 768p sets. Believe me, i wanted to buy a Pioneer 4280HD but the SDE was every bit as prevalent as it was on the Panasonic PX75U 768p set as well as my own PX50U and it was unacceptable. I was sick of seeing SDE at home on my 768p set and after scrutinizing the PZ700 series and realizing that it's video processing was still very good and the fact that it had zero SDE i made an about face and chose the 1080p Panny instead. SDE would have killed my viewing pleasure had i gotten the 4280HD so there was no sense in spending $700 more for a TV that didn't suit my viewing environment. The processing and the black levels are plenty good enough on my PZ700U and i'm extremely happy with it. If Pioneer offered a 1080p 42" Plasma i probably would have bought one sight-unseen but they don't so i didn't.

Okay, now I have something else to worry about. What environment makes the SDE? I went to BB and I didn't see any SDE on any Pioneer or Panny.
post #21 of 48
Randy were those 42" sets you noticed having the SDE? What other Panasonic sets are known to have SDE?
post #22 of 48
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Originally Posted by elvisdoc View Post

Save your money and buy the Pioneer. Needed a 50 and the Pioneer Pro 1150 HD is the best picture on a plasma I have ever seen...which is why I just bought one.

elvis

If money were no object, I wouldn't be obsessing. This TV could curtail my shopping sprees for some time. I think I'd have to settle for the 5010 as opposed to the 110Elite. I have been asking a lot of questions to try to understand what is so much better about the elite. In BB, they have the elites in the special lighted Magnolia Home theatre and the 5010 is out in with the masses so it's hard to compare the picture.

I really want the psp/pip that Pioneer has. I like their media gallery. Lots of fun gadgets.
post #23 of 48
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

If 46" is his maximum why are we recommending 50" displays? If you want plasma then go with the Panasonic 42PX75 for under $1400. Burn in is still mentioned in plasma owners manuals. If you want bigger then 42" then look at the highest rated Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, or Sharp LCD that fits your budget. The only plasma under 50" is the 42".



Did Panasonic stop making 37" Plasma ?


DJoel
post #24 of 48
They stopped 37" in their consumer line, but I think they still have 37" available for their industrial line (at least this year they do).
post #25 of 48
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Originally Posted by RUSTY PELICAN View Post

They stopped 37" in their consumer line, but I think they still have 37" available for their industrial line (at least this year they do).


Yeah I recommend a 37" Pany to a co worker, which she just purchased in Feb of this year...But the damn thing is having issues, she can raise the volume I feel bad about it, b/c I am supposed to be all A/V knowing....... I called Panasonic, and they send her a flash card with some firmware but it did not work.....My co worker is a bit lazy when it comes to these things

Djoel
post #26 of 48
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Originally Posted by maureeng View Post

Okay, now I have something else to worry about. What environment makes the SDE? I went to BB and I didn't see any SDE on any Pioneer or Panny.

Did you measure off your exact home viewing distance when you checked for SDE at the store? Do you know if you were looking at the 768p models or the 1080p models? Basically if you get close enough to any 768p Plasma TV you'll see SDE, but this distance depends on a particular person's eyesight. I see SDE at 10 feet on a 50" 768p set and even a little bit at 11 feet, but if i move one foot further away my eyes can no longer resolve the pixel grid and it disappears. And on my 42" 768p Panny, i see SDE at 8 feet but not at 10 feet. My friends can get closer than i can before they see it so i'm an extreme case and am in the majority. With a 1080p set, you can get a LOT closer since there is no SDE like there is on the 768p sets.

Go back to the store and look at the 5010 and PX75U (768p sets) at 4 feet so you can clearly see the SDE. Now walk slowly backwards until you can no longer see the pixel structure and measure the distance you ended up at. Now move even further away and see how the picture seems to smooth out a little more even though you're beyond your SDE range.

Other customers have asked me why i'm measuring the floor so i explain SDE to them and they try it themselves and they can usually get closer than i do before they see it. They're sometimes surprised at how much better the picture gets if they move just a few feet further away to where things smooth out and the flaws in the signal or image kinda disappear.
post #27 of 48
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Originally Posted by wale.dingo View Post

Randy were those 42" sets you noticed having the SDE? What other Panasonic sets are known to have SDE?

Yes they were 42" sets. All 768p sets will have SDE regardless of brand, it's just a matter of how close you get to the screen before you see it. I'm extremely sensitive to it so it's more of a problem to me than it is to most other people, but it's still a problem if you're too close.

Panasonic's 768p models are:

PX75U
PX77U
PE77U (Costco)
PC77U (Costco)
post #28 of 48
Hi Randy,
Thank you. Good info. I will follow your suggestion. The pictures were helpful also. The Panny has a great pic.

People will watch TV in my family room from 4-10 feet (a room with a lot of windows). I only looked closely at 1080p's. I didn't see SDE, but I'll go back and look for SDE, listen for buzzes, watch for too dark, too light, clouds and whatever else I read about. The only TV that has all I want, such as PSP is the Pio.

I think I was happier when I first went into BB's and thought all the TV's looked great.
post #29 of 48
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Originally Posted by maureeng
Don't get the Samsung if glare is a problem! They had one in a store in Fla. and it was in the sunlit area. Because of the shiny screen and frame, I couldn't even see the picture. The glare was worse than a bad plasma. Sony doesn't make plasma anymore and the Panasonic and Pioneer are great, with the Pioneer being much more reasonably priced through one of their online retailers (you must use one of their approved retailers or online people to keep the warranty). Pioneer has a lot of bells and whistles and a beautiful picture. I think the anti-glare screen on the Panasonic is thought to be be better. Good luck.

phipp01:
Pioneer and reasonable price in the same sentence.....Theres an oxymoron if I ever heard one

Exactly, that is when this Samsung bash became just a meaningless post.
post #30 of 48
In addition to my last post (#24 above), I was on Fujitsu's website tonight and noticed they are now producing 3 new 1080p models - one is a 37" 1080p LCD w/MSRP $4999 (ouch).

MSRP for the 50" 1080p plasma is $9999, and MSRP for the 65" 1080p plasma is $17,999. Definitely for upper class incomes.
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